Dr. Randy Bock
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Sodagate: How Shady “Big Soda” Lobbying Firms Allegedly Invaded MAHA Via Influencer “Bribes” w/ Tom Renz & Dr. Randy Bock – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 469
Dr. Bach, welcome to the program. Here we are. Uh-oh.
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Sodagate: How Shady “Big Soda” Lobbying Firms Allegedly Invaded MAHA Via Influencer “Bribes” w/ Tom Renz & Dr. Randy Bock – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 469
Wow. No national laws, but at least some local areas do. Yeah. Exactly.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
Well, I think you're touching on a reasonable point. I think there's kind of a social justice thread through a lot of this, harm reduction and whatnot. There's kind of the NGO world where people get power not by selling things. The shoe companies and the car companies, they actually have to produce a product. A lot of other people have to produce a theory.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
and they get wealthy doing that and so the industries where you make money by making money uh are different from those where you have to kind of beg for it in order to beg for it you have to have a reasonable problem and people have to you know stay alert and alarmed and so forth and and then they have some kind of secondary gain that aligns with politics uh in my book uh overturning zika
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
I mentioned Rudolf Virchow. I'm sure you've heard of him. He was the 19th century German pathologist. And he was a physician as well, and probably a really good physician. But he, kind of in a Bernie Sanders mode or mood, he wanted medicine primarily to correct social injustices and social, whatever you want to call it in today's terms, you know, equity and whatnot.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
and this uh is is part of where things went wrong with the zika story because the chick v the mission group they were hunting for a virus when there was not not one because they wanted it to be there and what happens is you get uh things perverted you get the wrong results when you go into science hoping for a result you wind up you know with something that's perverted and so there's all kinds of biases that happen the biases that happen all along the way because people wanted this
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
And so when people want something very badly, when people want you to do something badly, you have to kind of think of some of the root causes. And I think that's something, the thread that runs through your show and what the listeners are probably getting at. Now, as far as Zika, you don't want to necessarily get a case of presuming stipulating they were right. I don't think they're right.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
I think Zika is a harmless human, non-human related virus. and dengue and Zika don't cause microcephaly. Microcephaly is a bad, bad thing. You don't want your kid to have it if it's the severe type. What they were measuring in Brazil was not the severe type, the wrong standard. They said there'd be no math.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
Basically, they were using two standard deviations, which makes ipso facto 2.5% of the population have microcephaly. That's clearly not the case. What you're concerned about is low IQ cases with really micro microcephaly, which is only like three standard deviations, which is about 0.15% or fewer. So there's a congenital kind, but it can come from a lot of other causes.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
Most of those track with poverty. So it's like hypothyroidism, malnutrition, drug abuse, alcoholism, et cetera, this and that, and maybe some metals and pollution, whatever. But it pretty much tracks with poverty. And insofar as they see cases of microcephaly, whether it's North Brazil or South Brazil, whether it's dengue, Zika, whatever, it's been in cases with poverty.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
So rather than say, oh, let's try to figure out how to get less poverty, what they did was – pretty much bang on the wrong door. You know, this is not really helpful to bang on the wrong place. Now, if you have a fire out there, you know, it's not a good time for you to, I don't know, start, I don't know, making a drum circle. It's not the right answer to the problem.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
So they might have had, maybe drum circles are great, but they don't help with fires. And what they did here, when they have a problem microcephaly, if in fact they did one, but they didn't, there was nothing over, you know, but they got something that pulled at people's heartstrings by showing the babies with small heads. Or panic them also. It was a headline. Wildfire.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
And so does wildfire, by the way. And so people use these as hooks, and that's an unfortunate situation.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
And as you're saying. It's polyfactorial. You know, it's kind of like, I don't know, let's say we talk about low IQ in general or height. You know, you have short people and some of them are just short. Some of them are, you know, if you want to call it pathologically short, dwarfism, whatever. And dwarfs might argue with that, with pathologic, whatever. But there's a gradation. You know, if...
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
If I go to Japan, when I did, all of a sudden I became a tall person. I'm six feet tall. I'm not enormous here, but on the trains in Japan, I was relatively tall. So you have to kind of consider what is the basis for these observations. In the case of microcephaly, they were using the wrong standard because in the north of Brazil, it's a different population. It gets a darker skin, more indios.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
They call them pardos in Brazil. and people are shorter, the babies are smaller, and they were using the European South Brazil standard where people are taller and the babies come out closer to term and they come out larger.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
So right from the beginning, when they looked at the growth charts from Rio and Sao Paulo and whatnot and then applying them in the north of Brazil, they had people at the wrong standard. There's more prematurity in the north of Brazil. Anyway, there were a lot of confounding variables that show
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
But it basically leads you to the presumption that the baby came out with a smaller head when it might just be a smaller baby because the people are smaller, the mom's smaller.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
They panicked a generation of women. Yeah, it's crazy. And moreover, there's something called what I call ghost babies. That's my own term. And what I mean is because the WHO-aligned physicians came in and swarmed, they had their moment in the sun. They got to be famous for 20 minutes, Warholian 15 minutes. And they came down to Jamaica, Honduras, Colombia, Venezuela, Brazil, and they implored
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
an opportune, importune people not to have babies until they have the Zika vaccine. They wanted to do kind of like the lockdown, but a baby moratorium. And this was cheered on.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
Yeah, baby lockdown. And so what happened was there was a diminution in the birth. Not everyone listened, obviously. So there'd be nobody in elementary school right now because we're like, you know, check my watch, like almost 10 years later. And so... Most people didn't listen, but a lot of people did. And they're actually having a baby dearth.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
They're having a classroom dearth in Salvador and in Bahia. And the economy is down.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
This is the fruition of that. I'm sorry to cut you off. This is the fruition of the idea of wanting Chick-V, the mission. They wanted the mission to come in and bring social equity. Well, you know what? They got it. But it turns out it's not that great when you just bring a disease in falsely. You scare people. And we see what it's like now. We see the walking wounded now with masks in 2025.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
You know, the same thing. Every person you see with a mask is kind of a cognate for everybody in Brazil who's still scared of a mosquito. And they might stay indoors. They slather on insect repellent. And so we're doing things that are not healthy for young women and women who are pregnant. And so are they, especially in a tropical area.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
Imagine how hard it is just to be a woman pregnant in the tropics. And now all of a sudden you've got to stay indoors or you've got to slather on everything, you know, in order to cover yourself up to go outside. Because a mosquito, you know, one single mosquito, theoretically, according to their view, can ruin the cherished life within. And nobody has said, you know what? No, this wasn't us.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
What instead happened is kind of the macabre laying on of your own applications. I don't know if you ever heard of this guy, Bill Gates. In 2017, apparently he's got a lot of money from something. I don't know. I've heard he's kind of micro and soft, but I don't remember the association. But in 2017, he said, I will put out 100.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
I don't know if he did this or not, but he said, I will put out 100 million dollars. To Moderna, if they will make an mRNA platform, there had been no mRNA virus vaccines to that date. He said, well, the Zika is coming along, the Zika vaccine. If you put it and you put that dish on an mRNA plate, then I'll give you $100 million out of the Gates and, you know, Bill, you know, Melinda, whatever.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
And so the problem is the virus never cooperated. Like chikungunya didn't cooperate. It turns out the Zika didn't cooperate either. It either wasn't there to begin with or it never caused the microcephaly. So they didn't have the wherewithal. But that, again, still hasn't stopped people.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
Even in Baltimore, I believe to this date, within the last year, there's a Dr. Anna Derman at the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health. I think it's Bloomberg School of Public Health. You might have heard of him too. And what they're doing now is they're injecting and infecting Baltimore women with the Zika virus so they can track down and formulate a Zika vaccine.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
And I remind you, if in fact they do, because they have not gone back and said, you know what, our bad, Zika may be real virus, it's a dengue, but it doesn't really, it doesn't cause microcephaly, sorry about that. If they had done that, you could respect them. But what they have done is not that. And they're keeping the press on.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
And as soon as there's a Zika vaccine proven by tests such as this, I think they're going to wind up mandating it around the world because everyone thinks it's real. And for my, you know, part of the importance of my book, and people forget about the Zika thing, there are a couple of things.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
if people had paid attention to how false the, you know, how true the panic was and how false the association was, then they would not have fallen as quickly and as much. They wouldn't have bitten the same hook for all the COVID lockdowns. A, because the same actors, Dr. Fauci and whatnot are all part of the Zika story. And B, because,
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
you know, they would not, you know, they would have better vaccine kind of skepticism and so forth. And we would not necessarily have this, you know, play out the way we did for these other mandated vaccines. Yep.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
I'm at Dr. Randall Bach on Twitter. My webpage is pretty much like the name here. Just do randybach.com. I do a lot of videos myself. I'd love to have either or both of you and Dr. and Warner Mendenhall on. Great minds. And most recently had Dr. Robert Malone, had Peter McCullough on, and I've had the great Jeffrey Tucker on. And so forth.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
So, and I actually have Dr. Bob Sears on talking about, you know, how to pare down the vaccine schedule. So I am looking for, you know, what I'm mostly looking for, aside from fame, money and attention, the normal stuff, I'm looking for kind of a more rational view of medicine. I want people to have a healthy, healthy skepticism.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
Actually, this here is all the fame I ever want, to be on the same screen with the great Dr. Drew.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
I've got two. I've got two books on the way. One is the title was helped by Dr. Anthony Daniels, a.k.a. Theodore Dalrymple writes for City Journal et al. He's a brilliant, brilliant writer.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
uh he inspired me when i was treating narcotic addiction and we have that in common a little bit it's called withdraw to freedom uh how to exit the uh opiate addiction maze and i want people to get kind of a healthy skepticism about that i think addiction is a bad bad thing i think it's akin to a trauma but like breaking your hip that's not a disease you know it might kill you breaking your hip but you have to figure out why it happens over but breaking one's hip is not a disease it's a situation it's an application and so forth and with addiction
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
You know, the beat poet William Burroughs said it's a disease of exposure. So historically, when people didn't have opiates, they didn't have opioid disease. And I want people to get away from the disease formulation and the medicalization of opioid addiction. So I write on brownstone.org, and I think I've uncovered the actual cause of the opioid epidemic.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
And, you know, like we do a clickbait ending, you know, tune in to find out. But basically, it's the medicalization of addiction. The fact that we brought in methadone-free drugs
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
treatment which we didn't do for cocaine we don't do for alcohol we don't do for sex addicts we don't do any of that we don't give them free hair of the dog we tell them to sober up first and then we'll move on with things but with narcotics the doctors have had kind of a sinecure they've had a rent-seeking arrangement where they can write narcotics and guess what you better keep taking it because we can write it you come back to us we'll get it all the times it's something that only starbucks
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
Gosh, just go to my webpage. You'll find it, randybach.com. And it's actually false facts fixed. It's basically the inverting delusion. You know, the delusions are fixed false facts. So I tried to flip that around.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
You say it better than I do. You have much more fluid presence. Thank you so much.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
Thank you so much, Dr. Drew. It's an honor to be here. Drew's fine.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
Well, it's a funny thing. It's funny you say jaundice because it's a flava virus, and flava means yellow, and it's named for yellow fever, actually, which produces a little bit of jaundice. So it's kind of an interesting irony right there. Speaking of yellow, if yellow starts showing up outside your door, I think you should pay attention and so forth.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
Go ahead. What you're seeing out there is a far more real phenomenon than what transpired with Zika. Let me just preface. Dengue, I've never personally seen a case of this. Dengue is a virus, and it's probably migrated from Africa, maybe with the slave trade, maybe thereafter. And the carriers, the Aedes aegypti, which is also an African word, Egypt,
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
and maybe together or separately, I don't know, but both of them are in South America and causing dengue for decades, as far as we know, since the invention of figuring out which virus is which. And so over the last three or four decades, they've seen probably around a million cases of dengue every year. And there are a few fatalities.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
Yeah, it's a funny thing. So I don't know how much to make of that. You know, I think the flu is probably going to be more prevalent overall. But I think the flu is just a flu, you know, putting avian or whatever. I think they try to sell these things a little bit much. And that's part of the problem that happened with Zika. And I'll get to that for a reason. But you asked me what...
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
brought it up. So I bring up dengue because Zika is a dengue virus. There's four dengue and they're named prosaically one, two, three, and four. And Dr. Steven Harrison at BU, a microbiologist, believes that Zika really should be dengue five. So one, two, three, four, five, and I give him thumbs up for that.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
So Zika basically is indistinguishable from dengue and really it should be called dengue five. Dengue, with its million cases per year and all these different numbers, has never caused any increase in actual microcephaly numbers in Brazil. There's no dengue microcephaly. We've heard of Zika microcephaly, but it's a little bit of a mirage.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
a phantom and so forth because probably um zika insofar it ever existed in the americas exists as coexisting with uh the other dengue it's other dengue brothers sisters cousins whatever you want to call it carried by the same mosquito the aegis egypti and there's a whole kind of dengue belt that's well known and documented oh there we go did randy freeze on us is that there you are you froze for a second go ahead again the dengue belt
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
It must be the cold weather here. It looks like. So the dengue belt is in Amazonian Brazil and Colombia and Venezuela and so forth. And Zika should overlap with that. What they actually found for the case of microcephaly was in the population areas where people had been talking about microcephaly. So it's really kind of an overflow of panic. Now, how did I find out about this?
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
I looked at an article in the Wall Street Journal in 2016 And they were making this clarion call about Zika microcephaly. And there was a set of doctors, neuropediatricians in Recife, which they call Recife, Northeast Brazil. And they thought there were more cases of microcephaly than had been previously there.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
In a normal city, like two and a half million people, at any given time, there should be about seven cases in the wards of microcephaly based on the criteria they had at the time, which were wrong, mind you. There were two lacks of criterion. And what they saw was maybe 13 or 15 cases. Earlier that year in 2015, there had been an announcement that some dengue cases were Zika.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
There's no real reason to bring this up because Zika itself had never caused any human illness. It's a dengue virus that doesn't affect humans. So it's probably a primate, you know, chimpanzee dengue virus and not a human one.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
And so what they had was a situation where somebody who had been part of the team that was hunting for a new virus in Brazil, which is a weird thing in and of itself, they formed a group, these doctors in Northeast Brazil, because North of Brazil is kind of like our American South, is poor, darker skinned, hotter, and so forth.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
They were hoping for a new virus to show up so they could bring money and attention and bring social equity and funding to the northeast of Brazil. And the way to get attention would be have a brand new virus. So they wanted a virus panic to happen in northeast Brazil, weirdly enough.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
So they formed this group, CHIC-V, The Mission, named after the 1986 Robert De Niro movie, The Mission, where the good guys, I mean, the basic good guys are the Guarani Indians in Paraguay, and then the Jesuits are sort of the good guys, and the bad people are colonialists. And so this was kind of a retribution kind of thing where they wanted to leverage a new virus
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
to help social equity in those poor, darker-skinned areas of northeast Brazil. And they were hoping chikungunya, which is another African virus, would cooperate. It didn't happen to cooperate. And so instead, there are two doctors in Bahia who came up... Hold on a second, Randy.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
Absolutely. It's totally different. But they formed this WhatsApp group of... epidemiologists and doctors and scientists in northeast Brazil. And they formed this group because they were hoping to find a new virus in Brazil that had never been in Brazil. And they wanted it so that they get attention and money. Now, you know, be careful what you wish for because you might get it.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
So they got a new virus. They mislabeled most likely certain dengue cases as Zika. They didn't have any provenance of any, you know, valid dengue. primers with which to test for Zika because Zika never caused a human illness. In the literature to that point, there have been basically a grand total of zero cases and zero reported papers and so forth on Zika. I went to medical school.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
I was awake for most of it. I'd never heard of Zika and with good reason because it's not a human illness. Hold on, hold on.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
There might have been an uptick. The problem is nobody really knows. It could have been just, you know, it doesn't rain.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
Well, there's two cases. Zika and microcephaly. Microcephaly has always been around. You know, basically, it's a good case. No, I get it.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
And probably, it probably never deviated from the mean if you look at it grossly, as opposed to the people who happened to be in the war that one day. You know, basically, it's like being in a dry area, it rains three days in a row. What does that mean? It's the end of the world? No, it's just one of those random things. I can get a birdie.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
Well, it was coincident. The women who, the neuropediatricians, Drs. Vanderlinde and Mota and Dr. Vanderlinde and her mother, were not looking for anything per se. They happened to notice that they had their own WhatsApp group locally for neuropediatricians, and they were noticing this, and then they started to do kind of a head count, so they were more observant.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
But there was somebody from the earlier, in April 2015, group from the Chick-fil-A mission who happened to live in Recife.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
and and was informed about this and said well zika is new to the americas this is happening that's new this is new a must be causing b and he went with that and this is the weird part this is the non-non-non-science part he got on the phone and called after the fact because there were no zika testing abilities on earth clinically
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
He went and took the telephone, and either he or his legion called up the moms of babies with microcephaly as if they didn't have enough problems. And so from the University Hospital, they're calling, did you happen to have any fever, rash, or chills during pregnancy? And 29 out of 32 numbers of close said yes.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
Now, mind you, it's a tropical area, and pretty much everybody during pregnancy gets some fever, rash, or chills. So it's kind of a nonsensical question. And they took that as evidence that those baby cases were Zika. No testing at all. And rather than keep that under their hat and try to do some actual science and figure this stuff out, they announced it to the press. kind of grandstanding.
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Was Zika 2016 Another Fraud Pandemic Of Panic? w/ Dr. Randy Bock & Warner Mendenhall – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 441
This is not how science is done. They didn't wait. There were, you know, institutions, so forth, public health groups that would have, you know, looked at this potentially and done perspective. And at the time they had no actual backward registry of microcephaly. So there's no way of knowing if they had more cases on average city by city because they'd never measured this before.
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I don't know what an example would be, but, you know, you look at the stock market, what is it today? Oh my God, it's 3000, whatever. Well, what does that mean? What was it last year? What was it, five years ago?
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This was not necessarily our press. Brazil has its own issues. And they had an impeached president at the time. It sounds familiar. Dilma Rousseff. And she used this to galvanize troops and galvanize popular opinion because they had kind of an enemy. So they put two and a half...
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a quarter of a million troops on the streets and they did all this mosquito stuff and drained literally drained the swamp as far as they could um but but there was another aspect which is a little bit kind of ghoulish and macabre and as a result there have been you know uh kind of a diminishment in the birth rate in brazil what they did was um they left uh in brazil
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has always been clamoring to tear down the abortion statutes. So there are a few states, mostly in previously or currently Catholic Latin America, that have constraints against abortion. So the left and NGOs associated and so forth, they put a lot of money in attention so they could overturn the abortion constraints in Latin America. So they went full force. court press on this.
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And they went to the Supreme Court in Brazil and they went to all other kind of, you know, judicial actions and legislative so forth to get emergency injunctions for abortion. So they did not want the story to go away because everybody theoretically in the whole country could theoretically have had been bitten by mosquito. You never know. And theoretically have Zika. Nobody could test for it.
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And theoretically, those cases could have microcephaly. You wouldn't know. There's no way of testing utero. You Anyway, so everybody had to have abortion all of a sudden. And this was the big push. And this is why it never went away, in my view. So the press kind of stuck on this case, even though there's very little science underneath it.