Dr. Michael Savage
Appearances
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
Do you agree with Trump then on cracking down on the flood of illegals into the nation?
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
I don't remember, honestly. I don't know what you ran as. I know that the city was, look, I came here in 74. I'm an immigrant.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
You have the power to do something about it in the state, don't you?
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
So here's a great statement that no one's going to expect from me, where I probably am to the left of you on something with immigration that people don't understand. I know of a person who was here 20 years from Mexico. He's worked seven days a week. He's paid taxes. He can't become a citizen. That's wrong. I'm with you. Something's wrong with that.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
Not even a traffic ticket. I appreciate it. It's not even a traffic ticket.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
But here's the secret part of it. The worker pays taxes, but they have several dependents at home who don't, who live on supplemental income from the state and the federal government. That is a problem.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
to san francisco my father was an immigrant to america i'm a first generation american so i have one foot in the old world one foot in the new yeah so i still see a little bit of the immigrant and the native kind of stuff yeah but i'm new to the city it was a great wide open city you could do whatever the hell you wanted and then what happened was it went off the rails because ultra tolerance led to or as i put it governor newsom when anything goes everything goes
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
And how do you do it? Gavin, I pay 16% in state taxes.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
But there's a millionaire's tax on top of it. And I work and I'm 83 years old and I still work. Right. Okay. I have another home in Florida. Yeah. I don't live there. I prefer where I live. I've gotten used to the fog. to the seagulls, to the cormorants. I know all the birds of the bay. I'm an avid boater. So I got used to watching the fog rolling over the Marin Hills.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
Yeah, but Gavin, I shouldn't be punished for succeeding. And it's a disincentive to me. I get it. Why should I work? Why should I keep working?
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
But I haven't. I'm an immigrant son. I wore dead man's pants as a kid. Every nickel I have, I've worked since I'm five years old. Yeah. A young man drives to me. He's from Mexico. He says, Michael, you're an inspiration to me. You keep working at your age. I tell all my friends that not all white people in houses don't work. He says, some of you keep working. And why?
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
He said, you're such an inspiration to me. But work is a, you know, Gauguin, I'm sorry, Rodin, the great sculptor. Everyone knows his work. It's in the Palace of the Legion of Honor, all his work, right? Love that museum. Yep, yep. So I read Rodin avidly, and Rodin said, work is the only salvation. And I found that to be true.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
But I don't disagree with you. Poor people always vote for taxation on the rich. That's what Karl Marx taught them to do. So the thing is-
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
So, look, I made a little list. Borders, voting, illegal aliens who are voting in the state. Is that still illegal?
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
I don't know that all of them are, but I'll ask you a question that everyone... Look, I put this on social media, and they said, ask the governor... And again, I don't have to be contentious to ask you this. No, I appreciate it. Why does it take so many months or days to count the ballots in California a month? India, one day to count 640 million votes.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
Germany, eight hours to count 50 million votes. Argentina, six hours to count 27 million votes. California, four weeks to count 60 million votes.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
But what does that mean, independent conservative? Meaning I'll make up my own mind about every issue. So on the environment, I'm probably to the left of you.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
advocates well not burning down clinics uh or attacking people who eat meat you're a conservationist but you don't love environmentalists because there's a difference conservationists believe in conserving the environment environmentalists use the environment as a political weapon or a tool to advance i would say a marxist agenda there's a big difference it's it's like anything else i mean you could be for something without using it as a weapon against your political enemies
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
So everyone's saying the fires, the fires, the fires. Yeah. Can we talk about the fires?
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
But what about the rebuilding down in Pacific Palisades? This is a hot button issue. Shouldn't there be a, I'm sorry, a special master to administer the funds? It seems fishy to a lot of people.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
So here's one related to it from my friend, Danny Horowitz, who's my attorney. Great man. You got to meet Daniel. Hope you never have to meet him, but no, he's a great guy.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
No, no, I hate lawyers. I only like my lawyer. So he said, please, he loves you. He said, please ask the governor the following. He said, State Senator Scott Weiner, DSF, has introduced SB 677, which his website says is designed to strengthen two of California's landmark housing streamlining laws, SB 9, blah, blah, blah. These bills would allow developers to override local zoning laws.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
and create high-density housing in suburbs and places like the burned-down areas of L.A. The bills allow this intensified development without any provision for increased fire, police, or water services. He says, Gavin, you signed SB 9 and SB 423, given the devastating impact of Los Angeles fires.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
Are you willing to rethink your support of these bills and allow local communities to make their own assessments of fire and public safety readiness?
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
I earned it in two years and seven months, which is a world record. No one knows about it. I came here with two master's degrees. I was blocked from a PhD in one of the master's degrees because the field was too advanced. And I came here and I worked for an independent PhD, which was unheard of. There were only seven of them issued a year at the time. Right.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
No, no. Reality is reality. Let's talk about climate change. You brought it up. I just run up temperatures and record droughts. A lot of this is total bullshit. They're all wrong on it. The science doesn't support it. And I'm going to give you one piece of evidence that people don't want to look at. Real science evidence.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
I did it on my YouTube channel yesterday because I was talking about the Pope and his health. And the Pope is a radical leftist politically, by the way. St. Francis of San Francisco. And I wish him a speedy recovery. But he was a radical, you know, leftist guy. And he was wrong about environmental things. Because I know who wrote his encyclical on this. And the guy is a classic Marxist.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
So one piece of evidence, which they'll cut right out of this tape. They're called the Vostok ice core samples. No one heard of them.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
Okay. So Russia... And France, you've got left and right. Scientists from both countries drill into the Antarctic shelf. They drill down 10,000 feet, two miles. They pull up a core from the Antarctic. And why are you looking at the core of the Antarctic? Because you can see climactic changes in the core, as you understand. And guess what?
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
There were carbon dioxide increases millennia ago, but they always followed temperature increases. They didn't cause the temperature increases. People don't understand that we had a period of great flora enveloping the earth, which produced a great deal of carbon dioxide. Now, don't get me wrong, though. I'm not arguing for pollution. No, I'm a guy who a bicycle every day.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
Well, let's talk about that if you want. Let's talk about Trump and Trumpism.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
Yes, but climate's been changing for millennia. Okay. But you'll acknowledge it's changing. Well, wait a minute. But it's not changing in the direction you think it is. Okay. We're actually entering a little ice period.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
It was the toughest thing I ever did in my life. I was so proud to get a PhD from Berkeley because everyone said to me, that's your union card. You get that PhD, you're going to be hired as a professor. Unfortunately, hello. It kicked in. White males need not apply. I was rejected from every position I applied for. And I was told point blank that we can't hire you because we have to fill quotas.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
People don't study history long, and geological history. We're actually entering a cold phase, not a hot phase. So climate change, remember in the Middle Ages, the 1500s, it was very cold in Europe? Read about that?
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
But it was frozen. England was frozen. All of the Dickens novels set in the snowy London, because a cold wave came through England. It was a cold, a little ice age, it was called. Yeah. We're entering a small little ice period on the earth, not the opposite. So there's a lot more to the science.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
If you could let me sit down and I'll show you data and you're scientists, they're not going to want to hear it because people don't want to look at science. They only want their doxies supported by the science they approve of.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
Extreme weather. Gavin, come on. Nature corrects itself. I'll tell you something.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
But Gavin, listen. In 1872, it was so hot in the state of California. Before there was the first internal combustion engine, 1872. Yeah. The cornfields exploded in the Sacramento Valley from a heat wave. No cars, no real factories yet because the climate was changing because it always changes. Now, having said that, I'm not arguing for pollution. It's a form of theft in my mind.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
You know why I moved from New York? Pollution. I left New York in the 60s to get away from the pollution. I would be dead if I had stayed there.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
I'm not going to join you in attacking Trump on this podcast, even though you would like me to.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
We spent an hour and a half, but he's, look— How can you ask him for $300 billion to rebuild California and spend $50 million attacking him?
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
Well, we're supposedly political polar opposites, which we probably are. However, as I say on my TV show, you don't have to like my politics to like me. And a lot of people seem to like me but hate my politics. Some actually like me and my politics, which is the ideal.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
I had Nancy Pelosi on my radio show. Proving the point. Nobody would know it. I know. I had Charles Schumer on my radio show years ago. No one knows that. See? You know why? Why? Politics makes strange bedfellows.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
You can make that point if you want. Now look, on the environment- I can guarantee you that on the environment, Trump and I don't get along. I can guarantee you.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
Yeah. We knew that in the last administration. And in fact, I can tell you a story about it if you'd like to hear it.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
I was on Air Force One with him in the flying Oval Office. I won't tell you the long story, but we flew out of Moffett Field to LA to a fundraiser. I got on at the last minute. And he didn't like me because I was criticizing him on the radio about his environmental policies. Right. I'm led into the Oval Office. I was led on the plane at almost the last minute.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
And the guy, I won't tell you who got me on. He said, it takes months for clearance. We got you on. So he gets me on. I'm on the plane. And they have a buffet. And I tend to like wine. And I hadn't drank. So I started drinking wine.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
Yeah. I didn't think I'd be meeting him. I thought I was just getting a ride down to LA for another fundraiser. All of a sudden, after I had three glasses of wine, they said, he'll see you now. I said, sure. Now? Okay. So they bring me in. I swear to God, he's sitting in the most powerful chair in the world.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
And the minute I walked through the door, he looks at the guy who brings me and he says, he doesn't look at me. He says, what is he doing here? points at me like I'm a nun person, but I'm from Queens on the other side of Union Turnpike, and I know how he works. So he sits, he goes like this, like, bring the Hebrew in, you know, sit him down, the king, bring him.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
So he sits me down and I say, he says, what are you doing here? Because he knew I was critical of him on animals and the environment. I said, Donald, you need me. He says, I don't need you. I said, come on, knock it off. You have Hannity in your back pocket like a sock puppet. I said, they all kiss your ass.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
I said, you need me because I speak to the educated people out there who want the environment protected. I don't need you. I went on and on. But you know, Gavin, after that, we settled down. We had a 15-minute flight. His valet brings out two hot dogs. They were kosher, by the way, and I'm not kosher. And I'm starving because I didn't eat all day. Show you how sensitive he is. You've met the man.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
Oh, many times. And he looks at my eyes and he sees my eyes dart onto the hot dogs. And he looks at me and he says, do you want one? The most powerful man in the world holds up a tray and asks me, I'll take one of his two hot dogs. Being from New York, I said, sure. Now, last point, he's not a bad guy. He says to me, mustard or ketchup?
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
You tell me you're a mustard guy. I'm a mustard guy. Thank God. But he put it on my hot dog. So what is the point? The point is that he's actually a very sensitive guy to other people.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
I am. It's a compliment. 30 years ago, you came to a Thanksgiving party.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
It wasn't a success. What happened was- The program director asked me to fill in for a guy on KGO I never listened to because I'm not up in the middle of the night. So I figured, yeah, I'll do radio. So I go on KGO at night. I didn't even know who he was. And I start talking about stuff that I believe in. And people were calling. The most hateful calls I've ever had in my life.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
I drove home that night to my family. I was shaking, looking in the rearview mirror. Oh, come on. I was like scared someone was going to kill me.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
No, no. I went home and I said to my wife, I'm never going to do radio again as long as I live. It was the most hateful experience of my life. I'm not doing it again. Next day, the phone rings. And the rest is history. She begged me to do it again. I said, I'll never do that show again. And I'll never do an overnight show again. And before long, they created KSFO, the conservative alternative.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
They made me the afternoon drive host. And of course, it took off from there. They became syndicated.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
Savage. I did. I wrote a hot book called The Death of the White Male, which no one knows about. It's a pamphlet. Yeah. Trotsky or Lennon would understand that.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
Listeners? Probably closer to 20 million listeners at the peak.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
Yeah. But Hannity has no intellect. Rush, I won't say a word about because he's deceased.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
I won't talk about the dead. You've never been shy about criticizing?
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
Well, unfortunately, he is a bit of a meathead. I mean, look, you can't argue with success. No. And the fact is, is that he's the most number one biggest podcaster in the country. But ask yourself a question. Why hasn't he had me on? Why? It's a good question. Because he's afraid to talk to me. He's had people you've never heard of on that podcast. Understatement. Most I haven't.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
Look, I had Tucker Carlson on my first TV show on Newsmax four weeks ago.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
Which was a shock. Why? Because he hadn't been back on TV in a while. I didn't think Tucker would do an interview, number one. Interesting. He's a giant, okay, in the field.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
And Tucker always liked me. I ran into him in San Francisco in a studio. We were crossing, doing a show. He was very friendly to me. Then never talked to me again. And I invited him on my TV show and he shockingly said yes. And he's a very congenial, intelligent man.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
Well, I believe that was then. I don't use those terms anymore. I become older and wiser. You're older and wiser. But Gavin, you know, you should have Tucker on. He's very smart.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
But I'm fascinated by- Well, he's a liberal at heart. You know, he's- People don't remember Tucker had a bow tie and was on MSNBC. Do you remember that? You had it. Three months show on MSNBC.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
It was a prank caller, I recall. It was a prank caller. They had the power to control it by cutting it. and editing it out, and they let it run because I was undermined by the team. Watch out for your team, Gavin. I was told in the media from the beginning, it's always the people who run the cameras, the lights, and the microphones who control your future.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
That was the fun part of my radio stuff. But on YouTube, I do cooking shows at night in my house where I can curse politicians. So if I'm cooking my calamari or my shrimp at night on my pan and the camera's on me, and I say, this shrimp has more integrity than Joe Biden. And I'm not kidding. At least you know it's a shrimp and where it came from. But, okay, but I would use cooking as a foil.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
I didn't invent it. It existed before me. There was talk radio in New York. I never listened to it, by the way. I was not that interested.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
Because I introduced a level of education and knowledge and personality that never existed. People are not willing to talk about their daily life. So if I would walk in San Francisco and I'd go in a restaurant, I eat a lot of cheap Chinese restaurants, which I love. I would talk about the meal. Yeah. And people were interested in the meal. Yeah.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
Lawrence was a friend of the family. Lawrence and Janet and I. He flew out with Allen Ginsberg. Lawrence and Allen flew. They were on their way to the Adelaide Arts Festival in Australia. And we had known them from New York. We know Allen from New York. And I met Lawrence here. And I said, why don't you stop at our house in Hawaii? I was renting a house, going to grad school there.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
As much as they were in the politics, if not more so, right?
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
Let's talk about San Francisco, Gavin, please. I love this city. I don't go over the bridge anymore.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
In November, they called me when I was in Florida, new owners. Do you know them? Yes. And he asked me to come in. He said, we know how important you are to this restaurant. By the way, I have three novels here. That restaurant's featured in three of them. So I'm sitting in North Beach having dinner.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
A man comes by, if you want to call him that, takes his pants down and defecates outside the window in the street. Yeah. Not acceptable. Without civility, there could be no civil order in a country. I agree with you. This shouldn't be permitted.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
Well, I hope I live long enough to eat in San Francisco again.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
We should go to dinner in the North Beach restaurant. We have to. Let's go in when you're ready for it. And then I'll tell the story on my podcast. So, Gavin, the homeless thing is the turning point. When that man defecated outside the window, that was the beginning of the end of San Francisco for not only for me, but for the whole city, because the cops couldn't do anything about it.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
Their hands were tied by this small band of radical left wingers who are saying they're sacred. You can't touch them.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
It metastasized into a cancer. Especially during COVID and what's happening in the streets in particular. Well, we're blaming COVID, but no civil society would tolerate this, Gavin. And here's my position on it, and it's something you're not going to like to hear. There is a solution to the homeless problem, which is end it.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
You build camps for them in places outside cities, and you give them the care that they need against their will. You don't let them shoot up in the streets. You don't let them defecate or urinate or beat up old women in the streets. You take them off the streets. Yeah.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
And they both stopped in. They spent a few days with us. Yeah. And that was that. But Lawrence and I stayed on and on in the years, politically opposites again. But you don't have to hate someone who you don't agree with. That's why I'm here. That's why you invited me here.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
Oh, you're agreeing to reopen the mental hospitals?
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
So if a guy defecates outside a restaurant window, a cop can arrest him, send him to one of these facilities?
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
But why did they kick SpaceX out? Why would you take- SpaceX is not being kicked out. Well, they can't launch their rockets because of the Coastal Commission.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
Okay, Salon Magazine, left-wing magazine, a number of years ago when Trump was president, wrote an article called The Father of Trumpomania, and it was about Michael Savage. And it was sort of middle ground, wasn't attacking.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
And I was told by one of his chief architects, who I will not mention, shortly after he was elected the first time, he visited me in my home in Florida, and he said, Michael, we took all of your books. We made talking points. He ran on your platform. I said, OK, fine, because I know he was a liberal when he was young in New York. I was a social worker and a Democrat. So people change.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
One day you may be a conservative without even knowing it. But no, but Gavin. So, yeah, I'm the father of a lot of what he's doing. I was honored to see Borders. But no one's called me from the White House and said, we want to give you the Presidential Medal of Freedom. We recognize that you did this. We think you're great. No one's called.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
It's interesting because in every political entity, there are politics. I'm not involved at all with the in crowd. I don't know them. You mentioned Charlie Kirk. Yeah. You don't know. To have all of these CPACs? I've never spoken at any of these events.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
Think about that. You haven't. Do you have the equivalent of a Presidential Medal of Freedom in the state of California?
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
I'm in the National Radio Hall of Fame, but why am I? Okay. You know, Gavin. It's by the way, thank you for asking that question. It's a good question. I should be in it.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
I came here in 74. Look what I've done in this state.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
Nutritional ethnomedicine. Yeah. Which was an interdisciplinary PhD with epidemiology, human nutrition, and anthropology in a combined whole, which was an interdisciplinary PhD, which- In order to get into that program, you had to go through the heaviest screening program because a lot of people use bullshit to get into this and do nothing.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
I don't have to agree with you nor you with me for us to sit and have a civilized conversation. It's the only way we're going to solve the problems of the state and the country. And I feel the same thing about the country itself. The left and the right are at each other's throats. They hate each other.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
And they would like me to have been on this podcast and be screaming and yelling like a foaming idiot. We get nowhere with that. It's idiotic.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
It's bad for my health, number one, and I don't feel that that gets us anywhere. But before we leave, you brought up Trump and the borders language culture, and then you brought up the things, you know, I have to thank you. for the Bancroft Library and the Jepson Herbarium. I think this should be in your podcast because people say, why are you so nice to Gavin Newsom?
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
I'm not that nice to Gavin Newsom. I just don't go out of my way to insult people just for the sake of sounding like an idiot. So a lot of people do. Okay, I reached out to you about five years ago and I said that I have, the University of Texas is interested in collecting all of my writings all of my manuscripts, my journals. And I said, they really naturally belong here in California.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
And you reached out and through the chain, the Bancroft Library came back to me. And they spent two years with me in my archives, taking all of my correspondence, my writings. And you know, they have the largest collection of Mark Twain papers in the world. Amazing. And I said to the librarian, who was a lovely lady, I said, don't you feel a little uncomfortable that I'm so-called a conservative?
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
She said, Michael, we're not here to judge politics. We have conservative authors who are Californians, liberal authors who are Californians. And she said, you have done so much in your life, she said, you have three phases. You were a poet and a novelist. Then you were a botanist and a nutrition writer. Then you were a payment political writer. And she said, we need that in our library.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
And then I have a collection of medicinal plants, Gavin. They're in the Jepson Herbarium. They're in seven herbaria around the world. Jepson is one. These are the plants I collected, medicinal plants. You know where else they are? Where? Moscow Herbarium. I've never been there. Kew Gardens, London. New York Botanical Garden. Chicago Herbarium. And the Honolulu Bishop Museum.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
So we have a rare collection of all my collections in the Jepson Herbarium. Again, this is for scientists to look at for ages. And it's here. And I want to thank you for opening the doors. Because another governor just said, you know, go pound sand. I'm not interested. No.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
You don't believe in the Mao cultural, the Mao Zedong?
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
Oh, are you putting me in the California Hall of Fame?
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
I had to go through the toughest people at that university and explain why I wanted to combine those fields in a new field. And it was a tough interview. So I got the PhD block from him. I'd written seven books at the time and still couldn't get a teaching job. So I got very angry, Gavin.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
I'm the only American author banned in Britain. Yeah. for things I didn't even say. It was a terrible, terrible thing to do to me. And I woke up that morning, I saw it on the Drudge Report at the time, and I said, oh my God, I'm banned in England. So I went on the radio show and I said, God, there goes the great cuisine that they're known for and my dental care that I was looking forward to.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
So everyone loved that line. But I think it's a terrible thing to do to me because first of all, I didn't say the things they said I said. Secondly, I spent $400,000 to try to get my name off the list. And I did not succeed. I gave up. I don't even care. Still on it. Yeah. I can't go to England. To this day. I cannot enter England, the land of the free.
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
The land of the Magna Carta does not let Michael Savage in, but they let jihadists run around screaming, kill the queen. Oh. I'm not going to argue with that. Do you know Stormer? I don't know. I think we may have to bring it up. Have you met Stormer?
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
It's really straightforward. What is it? It is borders, language, and culture. And the thing that triggered most of the people who turned against the Democrat Party was this incessant
This is Gavin Newsom
And, This Is Michael Savage
drumbeat going back years vilifying the white male white supremacy white supremacy white remember that that became a mantra the democrat party they took all the working class white guys and said what the fuck you basically pardon me what are you doing man we work we are also citizens why are you turning us into hitlers because you know so that's what was one thing right
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Then the illegals getting free care and then the illegals voting in some municipal elections. But the big thing was the women. When you had people with the or whatever you want to call it. The whole trans issue. The whole trans issue triggered the women who were normally liberal.
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But when you have kids being brainwashed in school to accept that stuff in kindergarten, hey, I'm a sexual libertarian. I want to be very clear, okay? I really don't care what people do to make themselves happy, okay? This is not my business. Life's very hard. If you can be happy with someone, God bless you. But leave the kids alone. That's the whole point.
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And when you start crossing that line into the schools, you're going to see what happened. That's what just happened. It was the women and the schools, I think, Gavin.
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I'm an immigrant son. I want to be a professor. It's all I want to be. And they're saying, because of your race, you can't be hired. It's crazy.
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I think so. Promoting it to some degree, you would argue. I wouldn't even go there. I would say that the people had had enough. There were so many more important issues. God, faith, and reason. I mean, there's an spirit. We didn't even get, let's do another podcast in a month.
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The president of a local Jewish community from a very orthodox group of Jewish people. The guys that wear black, the black hat people. They like me and I say to them, I'm not that religious. Why do you want me to become reaching out to the community? They said, you're more religious than us in some ways. They watch my podcasts and they don't watch the media.
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They know that there's a spiritual element to Michael. that's palpable, that emanates, and they like it. It's that simple. But does that mean I'm holier than anyone? I am such a fallen angel, Gavin.
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Was it? Well, Gavin, I was a social worker in New York before I came here, teacher, social worker. And I was going into houses of people on welfare who were living better than I was. I was living at the time in a rental apartment. I had wooden furniture, crates. We had a mattress on the floor and orange crates for end tables.
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So I go into the supervisor at the welfare office and I say to her, blah, blah, blah. She says, well, start writing out checks. Mr. Smith gets $600 for an end table, $800 for two chairs, $900 for a bed. I said, wait a minute, I don't have that. She said, just keep writing the checks. And I said, something's wrong with this system.
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Nobody knew a Republican in my family or in my circles. My father was an immigrant, and he would walk the streets, and he would point things out to me and teach me what the world was about. But he would say, I said, Dad, are you a Democrat or a Republican? He would say, you know, Michael, he said... All I know is things are better for me when Democrats are in office.
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Now, remember, he came through the Depression. He worked in the WPA. He got a job as a kid who had nothing, driving a car for a politician. I still don't know how he got it. Who did he know? He told me stories of driving some corrupt politician to Saratoga Springs. I don't even know the rest of those stories.
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So he, to him, the government intervened in the Great Depression with the WPA, and it saved him, right? Yeah. So it shaped his perspective. But he didn't understand that after JFK, who I voted for, I love JFK. He was one of my heroes. I'll never forget how he influenced me. When I saw that picture of him and he said, don't ask what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.
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You know that that puts steel in my spine. I wanted to go out and march and do something for my country. I love that. One good line can influence a person for a long time.
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You know, there's two novels in there set in San Francisco. People don't read novels. Abuse of Power and A Time for War. They're set in San Francisco in North Beach, in the North Beach restaurant and around there at the time of Lorenzo was alive.
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So he used to run Old Italian and all the Democrats would meet in that restaurant.
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In the back room. And the Closet of Republicans. Yeah. So they'd meet there. And one of them once said to him, he said, Michael, you know what they said to me? I said, what? They said to me, are you a right winger? He says, no, I'm not a right winger. I'm a fascist. That's what Lorenzo said. May he rest in peace.
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He was built like a bear. A bear. He was a bear. Old world bear.
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Oh, Annie Twosome Newsome. Thank you very much. Should I tell that story? No, you shouldn't tell that story. It's got your great father involved in it.
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We're done. So, Gavin, we want to talk about, I'm sorry, the personal stuff and the health stuff. I know that. But if I don't ask some, can I read the bullet points? Unbelievable.
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Okay. So I was a big... element of the alternative health movement in California from the time I got here. Herbal medicine, homeopathy, nutrition. Wrote books on it. I knew all the leaders. I knew Linus Pauling, I knew Bob Cathcart, I knew Richard Cunyon. These were the geniuses in the field. Here's the problem with RFK Jr. He's a Johnny-come-lately to the field. I like what he's doing.
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No, I was in a North Beach restaurant. Would you remember the heyday of the North Beach restaurant? I mean, come on. Your dad, may he rest in peace, Judge Newsom was there. I was introduced to him, and I said, you were the Board of Supervisors chairman, and you had just introduced gay marriage at resolution. And I said, Judge, your son just made the biggest career error of his life. He's finished.
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He doesn't have the nuance or the subtlety to understand a lot of it. And even when he was appointed, I was sending messages to Trump saying, you can't eliminate the entire Health and Human Services Department. There are some good scientists in the NIH. You can't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Slow down all revolutionaries, as you know, left and right. want to start from the beginning.
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You can't do it. You can't fire every scientist. I try to tell them that. And I try to get on the good side of RFK Jr. without any luck. Russ was skiing in Aspen a few weeks ago. You know who was on the chair next to him? Who? RFK Jr. So he said to him who he is. And he says, you know who my dad is? And he says, Michael Savage. And he says, wow, he's a great guy.
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But you know, I've never talked to him. RFK all these years? No, I still haven't gotten to him.
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I would like to help as an advisor on the alternative medicine side of his revolutionary quest. And I also would like to offer you, Gavin Newsom, as the governor of this great state where I've been since 74. Don't you have a health task force, alternative medicine?
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I read that before. I wrote about it in 1974 in a book called Bugs and the Peanut Butter. Is that right? It was a book for children about all the dangers in everyday foods. People thought I was crazy. I love it. But do you have a commission on alternative health, homeopathy, nutrition, herbal medicine?
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This is what the state of California should be leading the world in all these alternative, I think, modalities. You have tons of practitioners in those fields in this state.
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I'm a good story. Well, I tell stories because they're part of life and education is about telling stories. A good teacher tells a story doesn't just beat you up with facts. So if I can tell a story about my life and it makes a political point, fine. So let me tell a political story, if I may. About five years ago, I had a heart attack. Yeah. Okay. Here in Marin County. Yes.
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So I'm rushed to Marin General. Yep. i have to wait online it's filled with illegal aliens and the girl at the desk makes me wait i said i'm dying do you understand i call the car he's waiting for me and she starts driving me through like hoops i said no and i walk into the er room and they hook me up and do their stuff so income two huge 250 pound black bodyguards
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And he said, you know, I agree with you, Michael. Well, guess what?
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because they heard there was a troublemaker in the emergency room. So here's this little Jewish guy with wires and plugs in him. And I said, yeah, I'm the one who was causing trouble out there. They left and they left. Why do I have to wait to get into an emergency room when I pay more taxes than any 10,000 of them do?
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See, this is where we disagree. Because you can't give first world excellent medical care to everyone on the planet without going bankrupt.
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Of course you're going to give them care. First of all, it's not only inhumane, but it's available to them. But that's not what we're talking about. There are people coming over the border just for expensive surgeries, just for expensive medical care.
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But if you talk about borders, language, and culture, which you introduced, and I think it's very important. Everyone knows it's my mantra. Why aren't you asking?
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But you really coined that phrase. Okay, so I created the Paul Revere Society in 94 here in California, which no longer exists. And the motto, I had to write a card up. What do we stand for? Borders, language, culture. So nobody truly understood it, but there's not a country on earth that is not defined by its borders, unified by its language, and doesn't have a common culture.
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And when you lose all of that, you lose the nation. I don't care what the nation is. It could be a small African nation, a small Caribbean nation. They're defined by their borders, language, and culture. How hard is that for people to understand? So let me just finish the border thing. Even China built the Great Wall of China to protect its border. Why? Because the Mongols were invading China.
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So I'm a total believer in the sovereignty of a nation. I don't know how anyone can argue with that.