Dr. Gabrielle Lyon
Appearances
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Full body MRI scan, should definitely be doing that.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Yes. And also something called the gallery test. We became very interested in this because of operators. Early detection cancer, if you can detect cancers early enough, you can initiate treatment. And so the GRAIL, originally in cancer research, it was called the GRAIL, now the Gallery Test, that is available to people through their provider. Early detection is critical.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
This is a very important question, and I think it goes across all medical providers. The first thing that you look for, is this person board certified in what they're talking about? Did they do rigorous training? The thing with medicine is it does have a lot of problems.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
But I would say the one thing that we're very good at is vetting and having credentials, a governing board, that these people are capable. They are board certified in what they are talking about. They have passed their exams. They hold an active medical license.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Number one. Number two, you look for a fellowship trained physician. Was this person specialty trained in the thing that they are doing? Then number three, there are governing bodies like associations. And again, I'm saying this blanketly, but there's a ton of problems. You're right, because do we trust traditional medicine? How do we begin to think about these things?
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Even with hormone replacement therapy, the guidelines are set very low. So for testosterone replacement, Does someone have 300, you know, is their testosterone 300? Can you treat them? Is it that they feel terrible at 300? But the guidelines say that 300 or less or 290 or less is the low number.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
So looking also at these governing bodies, these associations, will have a list of providers that they feel are qualified. Oh, good. So that's one way. I'll give you an example. A cosmetic surgeon is different than a plastic surgeon. Somebody could do a, I don't know, make up a residency, gastrointestinal surgery.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
residency, then take a fellowship in cosmetic surgery, and then become a cosmetic surgeon.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
That would be terrifying. If something goes wrong, that's terrifying. Really understanding where this person was trained, what their qualifications are, and who else do you know that has used this person, and how are they thought of within the community?
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Naturopaths? Yeah, maybe that's... Or holistic?
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Functional medicine, maybe?
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Another really astute question. So this idea of functional medicine, which I've been practicing and trained in functional medicine, I don't know if you know that, over 10 years. And the idea of functional medicine, which it seems to have morphed over the years, is root cause medicine. It's this idea of what is at the core causing these issues. And functional medicine is
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
is a way of thinking about it through that lens. I don't know if you know that, but I still have a full medical practice.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I have a full medical practice. And what we do is we practice integrative medicine. We practice the best of functional medicine, which the idea of functional medicine is, again, that root cause approach. So, for example, let's say you have GI issues. I know that your listeners, that many of them are gonna have GI issues.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Whatever they eat, they're gonna feel bloated, there's gonna be all kinds of things that happen. If you go to a traditional doctor, potentially, right? A traditional doctor might say, well, have some Metamucil, you'll be fine. But a functional medicine doctor will go, okay, why? Where is this coming from? Is there a parasitic infection that you've had?
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Is there a series of foods that you are eating that are maybe causing gas and bloating? Whatever it is, we find what the root cause is, and then we address it at the root. What you're talking about is, and I think a really good doctor thinks about it comprehensively.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
That a really good doctor is able to not just look at your numbers are good, this is fine, this is the standard, but what are some of these issues? Where do you want to go? And functional medicine, over the years, it's really gotten a bad rap. It's gotten a bad rap because When you are saying you are practicing medicine, you better be a doctor.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Thank you so much for having me.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
And that is you better be an MD or a DO and have an active medical license. Then there are naturopathic doctors. There are a few that I trust, but I think that there's a large stigma that goes with them because can you prescribe medications in all 50 states? Have you had the same kind of training?
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Again, I think that they're good for their own niche, but a truly comprehensive provider will look at the root cause. And that's actually where medicine is moving. Who should be able to practice medicine? If someone says functional medicine, do they have a medical degree? And I have nothing against chiropractors. Are they practicing outside their scope? Are they trained to read blood work?
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Are you going to someone who is saying they're practicing functional medicine and they don't have an active medical license? Do we need primary care physicians? Absolutely. Do we need people that can provide an antibiotic if necessary? Yes, absolutely. Are supplements and natural treatments valuable? They can be. The severity of the illness must equally be treated with an impactful solution.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
And I'm going to explain to you what I mean by that. If someone comes to me with GI issues, typically that's not challenging to treat. We can use a combination. Myself, my other providers in my medical practice can use a combination of natural and antibiotics if necessary. We'll try to do it natural, But there are limitations. There are limitations to what a supplement can do.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
You have to match the illness or the challenge with a treatment that is going to have a meaningful impact. And you have to be very careful. You know, what has become so fascinating is with this distrust in medicine, there's all kinds of things that people believe that are not true. That doctors get paid to prescribe medications. We don't.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
This idea of big pharma, big pharma has challenges, but there are other things like compounding pharmacies that make medication affordable. Have you ever heard of Empower Pharmacy, the largest compounding pharmacy in the world? No, I haven't. But this idea of, for example, GLP-1s, that they are so unaffordable for everybody.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
GLPs, GIP, people have heard of Ozempic and Monjourno, and people are saying, well, these are just for the elite. They're unaffordable. That's not true. There are compounding pharmacies that represent 2% of this pharmaceutical market.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I think it's a good thought.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Yes. Compounding pharmacies, they have to be regulated. They have to have a reputation. They have all kinds of paperwork that they're required. I mean, again, we use Empower Pharmacy. They're the largest compounding pharmacy in the world. They make medications accessible and affordable to my patients. So we don't have to go under this idea of big pharma.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
But your original question was, how do we know who to trust? It's difficult. They must be trained. They cannot be misleading. If someone has doctor in front of their name, it can't be a... And again, this is a very large audience, so I'm not trying to offend podiatrists or I'm not trying to offend dentists or things of that nature.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
It's a good thought, but the reality is if you can get cancer early, these technologies allow for early detection when it's in its infancy. I strongly encourage you to do it. In fact, I'm going to hold you to it. I'm going to talk to Katie, too.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
But if someone is saying they are a metabolic expert and it says doctor so-and-so and that person has not done metabolic training but hold a doctorate in, I don't know, history. You can, on Instagram, they will say doctor so-and-so, metabolic expert. But if you don't look under the hood, that expert has a doctorate in, I don't know, history.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Nothing is more important than your health. Nothing is more important than having a provider that you can trust, hands down. You need a great teammate at home. You need a great lawyer. You need a great accountant. And you need a great doctor. And a real doctor relationship is someone you have a relationship with.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Yeah.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I'm a primary care doctor by training. And then I am a fellowship trained in nutritional sciences and geriatrics. We have a practice that is all telehealth. My patients come to see me in Texas in person. I started my practice, believe it or not, in New York City. Terrible idea. Rent was like $40,000 a month. Terrible idea. And it was really interesting. I went right into private practice.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
And New York City, I was right across from Central Park. There's the plaza, Columbus Circle, Central Park. It was very hoity-toity. And I started seeing patients, whether they're celebrities or athletes. It wasn't really my cup of tea so much. And then I started seeing operators. For the listener, it's SEALs, Green Berets, Rangers, but mostly SEALs.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Started becoming very interested in them even before I graduated fellowship.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
It was mindset. You know, medical training is difficult. Medical training is sacrifice. You sacrifice your youth. You sacrifice your time, your energy. You become very good at sacrifices. And people think medicine is noble, which it is, but it's very rigorous. And you are working 24 hours a You know, you are, my husband's working.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I shouldn't even say the amount of hours that he's working because it would, you know, you can't violate hours, but you miss a lot. And it was hard for me. So I did two years of psychiatry training, which I didn't like at all. I spent two years at the University of Louisville working. My first residency was psychiatry. And I left that residency. I thought it was something different than it was.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I do it every year. I just finished one.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I thought psychiatry training was people were really thinking about how to get the best out of themselves. And that's what psychiatry was. I remember this... This patient, this was my first couple months on the job as an intern. And this guy jumped off a parking garage. And he died. You know, they call it psychiatry. He broke every bone in his body. He was a medical student.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Every year.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I do. Every year. Because I had a lot of anxiety about it. I think everybody does. It's that one unknown thing that seems to take people out.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
His father was a surgeon who worked at the University of Louisville. And I was like, I had to tell his dad. I brought his dad back to his body. And that was just one example of the experience in psychiatry. And it wasn't what I thought. It was a lot of medication. It was, you know, the brain is an organ. You know, you and I were talking about addiction before.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
The brain is an organ and the brain can get sick. So I switched and I went into family practice because I felt with family practice, I could reach a lot of people. I could help a lot of people. I would be the first line of defense. Someone comes in, you know, your stomach hurts, you have low testosterone, you have a cold, you broke your arm.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I'm going to be able to be useful and send you to where you need to go. But during that training, it wasn't easy for me. And I would say that it's not easy for any physician. We get a lot of slack or a lot of flack. But that training is tough. And how I got to operate is, again, this is long-winded.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
You told me we had six hours for this podcast, so I get to actually talk a little bit more than I normally ever do on a podcast. But I turned to the people that I thought that were the best at being mentally tough and capable.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
My husband was a SEAL. We got married while he was still active duty. He was on Team 10. His name is Shane Kronstadt. He's bumped. He's actually working today, so he can't make it. But do you know who Mark Devine is?
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
So Mark is unusual. Mark, I think what you see online is different very much from who he is. He's very sage-like. He'd probably be embarrassed if I'm saying this, but I've known Mark for over 10 years. And again, this was over a decade ago. And Mark was talking a lot about mental toughness in a way that I could understand and think about. It was a way that really resonated with me.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
And so I found him. And I went and I learned from him. And that was my first... exposure to the mentality of what I believed that an elite operator had. Because there are not that many of you guys. At any given time, there's 2,500. And remember, 10 years ago. So right now, the SEAL community, I think, has a lot more exposure than it did a decade ago. Would you agree with that?
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Was it the grail? The gallery test?
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
And if you think a decade ago or over a decade ago, where were people turning to to think about how to cultivate mental robustness. I mean, I don't even know.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
They probably, I mean, I don't know. So for me, I was looking for mentors, from mentors that weren't just heads. It's one thing to say you're mentally tough and then not actually go through challenges that allow you to express that. And so I was just very interested in the culture. And it helped me a lot. It helped me get through residency and training and the sacrifices that I was making.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Yep, now here we are.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Because it's, again, I missed almost every holiday. I missed time out with friends. I missed relationships. I miss a lot. And When I started to learn tools and ways of processing things, it made me a much better doctor. Now, how I met my husband, Mark called me and said, hey, I have this guy who wants to go to medical school. Can you talk to him about what it takes? What are the things?
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
So when my husband was deployed in Afghanistan, he taught himself physics and calculus. So he was a medic in the teams, and he knew that he wanted to go to medical school at that time. I think he saw a lot of lower body injuries. He just saw a lot of injuries. And I know that he wanted to be able to do more. an introduction was made.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
No. All right. Besides, wasn't our game plan to live to at least 100?
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
And I don't know about you, but any normal woman would never want a data seal. No offense, friend. And I had already graduated residency and fellowship. And again, I was already taking care of the special operations community at that time. Because I really feel like They provided an incredible value as humans.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
GI stuff. So basically when a guy gets out, so I would see guys that were out or a handful of guys that were trying to get into buds. And then most of my patient population were guys that either were on medical leave, transitioning out or out because, and I know that I can speak freely on this podcast. Yes.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
No, but I do think that we are seeing a rise in cancers. We're seeing a rise in cancers that are treatable. For example, colon cancer. getting a colonoscopy at 45 before it was 50. Now it's 45. I think that they're going to lower that number even lower because we're seeing an increase in cancers. These things, once they are identified, you can remove it.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Okay. There was a period of time, I think, that the forward-facing, and then again, please, you'll tell me where you disagree and where it's too much or I shouldn't say, but I think that there was the forward-facing special operations community can be very glamorous. Yes. And the sacrifice behind the scenes is tremendous.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
The sacrifice behind the scenes for the wives, the sacrifice behind the scenes from TBI, from just chronic injuries, people don't see that. And when the guys would get out, they'd already been to the VA, they'd already been to all these other places, and they were not getting better. They felt terrible. They would come to me, and we would do a comprehensive analysis.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I'm part of the SEAL Future Foundation. I work on their medical board. We would get guys from SEAL Future Foundation, from Task Force Dagger. We'd look at gastrointestinal problems. That is a huge complaint. Guys would go, get deployed. Whole platoons would get sick. They would go to Mayo Clinic. They would go to Johns Hopkins, and they wouldn't get answers.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
So I became very good at treating complex things that were not tested for a while. And a lot of it was infectious disease, Lyme disease, parasites. figuring out, facilitating who they needed to go to. The old school parasitologists, right now everyone does these gut tests that have to be sent out and it's something called PCR.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
PCR misses, I don't know, the number, I'd say at least 80% of these diagnoses. Wow. So these guys weren't getting better. I mean, I'm saying that from my clinical experience. I don't know what the data says because what we do is we would send out these PCR testing because now it's the gold standard.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Nobody wants to go and do a rectal exam on a patient or do a rectal exam, take a stool sample, look it under a microscope. That is a dying field. It's a dying field. The old school parasitologists, that's what they used to do. Now you get a stool sample and you send it and it goes to a lab. That missed almost everything. We would send them to old school parasitology in New York.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
They would come back with whipworm, roundworm, liver fluke. We would treat them. We would treat their wives. Because if one person in the family has it, typically everybody has it.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I mean, there was a tornado or a hurricane or something, and... Kids. It's a whole thing.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
So these guys, so these things were going undiagnosed. I mean, there was one guy who had schistomoniasis. He came to me because he was having phantom limb pain, and he ended up having schistomoniasis.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Yeah, so it's a parasite that can get in the bladder, irritate the bladder. But again, so you asked me, what do I do? Because I still treat special operations communities. We still treat them. We figure out what's going on. In all domains. Low testosterone, send them out for, it's a lot of head trauma that happens. Got to send them out. They have to get testing. There's a lot of exposures.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
The barracks are full of mold. The places in which people live in water damaged areas, full of mold. The body cannot get rid of that. So it's complicated, and there are groups that are putting together ways of looking at the operator. And it's not just the operator. It's everybody. But we are in an environment that is very challenging, and the treatments are not so simple.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
The number one place?
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I would say food. And now we live in a global society. I will say, I never eat anything raw. Sushi is out the window. Are you kidding? I would not touch sushi. Listen, I never eat raw. And people will say, well, if you freeze it, then it'll kill whatever bug. I don't see that. I don't eat anything raw. I don't eat any undercooked meat.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
When we go to dinner tonight and your wife looks at me because I'm ordering my steak well done at some great steakhouse that we're going to and ruining the entire food, I will tell you I do not want to worm. I'm good.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
But if you don't go through regular screening, then the outcome is devastating.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Yeah. A lot of people, I mean, you can get it from water. You can get it from animals. Parasites can come from animals. Giardia, yes, you can get it if a dog is sick and then they're kissing your mouth. And you can get it all over. It's ubiquitous.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Here will be the difference. Most people, many people will try to treat it naturally. I haven't found that to work. You use antibiotics or you use whatever protocol is necessary for that. And it's fixable. You treat everybody, it's fixable. But I will tell you, for example, a Helmuth infection, which is a worm, is one of the leading causes of iron deficiency anemia.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
because of what it does to the intestine. It creates, well, number one, they create their own issue, but it affects absorption. See, John, we can fix all these things, by the way, my friend.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Oh, you definitely. Yes, my friend, you definitely have one. You definitely have one. I've never had a team of guys that's not had a parasite.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Those are the two big—I mean, there's—that's a great question. So there's a colonoscopy. Everyone should be doing those. There is, obviously, for women, there's mammograms. For young men, testicular cancer is one of the highest cancers in young men, 30-some years old. They can examine themselves or have a partner do it. Okay.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Never. Never.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
You've been checked the traditional way, which is PCR testing. That's right. And that's part of the issue. And we got really good at treating and testing for those kinds of things because you need solutions. Although you're very robust and healthy, you know, some guys end up really struggling. They end up really struggling.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
You don't have normal stools. You might go to the bathroom more frequently. It's not always related to food. Can't figure out why your stomach is bothering you. We might see it on your blood work, malabsorption. Almost everybody has it. You might have, are you ready for this? Itchy feet, itchy ears, itchy anus. You might find that these things happen cyclically.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
This is going to sound crazy, but during the full moon, this is when they seem to be very active because they go through life cycles.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
And it's very common, and it should be treated.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Probably H. pylori, yes. What is it? Bacteria that should be treated. Easy to treat, easy to test for. It is a risk factor for gastric cancer. Got to treat these things. But what's amazing is that we're very skilled. This is where medicine is wonderful. We're skilled at these things. H. pylori, reflux, 50% of the population might have H. pylori. But you got to treat it. You got to test it.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
You got to treat it. Nicotine probably doesn't help for the reflux, must say.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Sleep apnea, all team guys, if your neck is greater than 17 and a half inches, you have to be tested for sleep apnea.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Yes, you got to be tested. But listen, I don't want to be Debbie Downer, so now we have to switch this to some positive stuff, is that it has never been easier to be healthier. So we're kind of at this precipice where it's never been easier to take action. We have access to more capacity than ever before.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
And then these other various tests, ultrasounds, thyroid ultrasound, liver ultrasounds, we're more advanced with those tools.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I see you want to do it. Yes.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
So do you feel bad that you're not using his nicotine right now? Shh.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
So nicotine is amazing. Nicotine is, nicotine is amazing.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Wow, they are on you. They are on top of it.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
There are some benefits to nicotine. Nicotine is a naturally occurring substance. It is stimulant. It vasoconstricts. So it vasoconstricts blood vessels, the skin, probably in the mouth, just all over. There are nicotine receptors in the brain, in the body. It's thought to release adrenaline. Nicotine comes in various forms. It's actually part of the nightshade family.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Depends on the kind and depends on the kind of cancer.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
It comes from a nightshade plant. From what I understand. I mean, they probably can manufacture nicotine now. But when nicotine is smoked, that's not good. Nicotine in the form of a cigarette. So I think that we have to be fair, right? Do I recommend people all go on nicotine? It's highly addictive.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
You figured that out, my friend. You have figured that out. I personally love nicotine. And it has to be used discretionary. What are some of its benefits? When I was doing my fellowship at WashU in geriatrics, so part of the job as a fellow is to obviously do research, and I did research, but we ran a memory and aging clinic.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
And so the things that were coming up on how do you make people more cognitively robust? What are the studies? What are we looking at for new data coming out? And one of the papers that came across my desk was, in fact, nicotine. It was nicotine improving cognitive function in Alzheimer's and potentially Parkinson's.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
But it's a great, I think right now the Grail test, I think it's 68 different cancers, 50 or mid-60 different cancers.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if it does in a meaningful way, but one of the things that it seems to do is it improves attention, concentration. There are just various domains of thinking and memory it seems to affect. It gives you that boost that you love. Again, I love it. I have to be very careful because it does cause gum recession.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
it may have negative, it increases blood pressure. So the cardiologist that I use, I send him all my patients. He's amazing. His name is Dr. Mike Twyman. He sits there with blue-blackened glasses. He's hysterical. He's very calm. He's very zen. And I remember I go to St. Louis every year for all the testing. And he was like, that nicotine habit, that's a terrible habit for your blood vessels.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
So there may be, I joke and I say that, there can be negative, there's a negative impact on blood pressure, some vasculature, gum recession. Am I selling you on it or are you still keeping it?
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
It's difficult.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Because it's something that you need, that you love? Yeah.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
So I will say that me personally, I prefer gum. But you see, it can increase energy expenditure. I think there are positives with it, and then I think that there are negatives.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I couldn't even tell you.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Great.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
No, not necessarily, not at all. Again, for a military operative community, they have exposures like Agent Orange. There are all kinds of various exposures that help facilitate DNA damage.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
So it's complicated because normal testosterone is going to be individual. And let's say the number, depending on the lab that you look at, goes up to 1,000. A great, robust number. It's not the total T, it's the free T. Okay. And again, it depends on the lab. But guys always, team guys care about two things. Good hair.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Listen, I can make these jokes. I'm married to a team guy. I take care of lots of them. Or maybe I can't make them, but they're coming anyway. Everybody knows. They're coming. It is about the free testosterone. The total testosterone below 300 is low. But that's weird. So if it goes from 300 to 1,000 and someone is 350, they might feel terrible. Right?
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
But there are these, again, we talked about medicine. How do you know? Who do you go to? How do you know what to trust? You know, there is, you know, there's the AUA, which is the American Urology Association. That's one entity. And then there's the Endocrine Society, that group that will all have different recommendations. But it's the free testosterone that matters.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Again, I think people feel better the higher the number. Again, that's just my opinion. But it's not just about the testosterone number. There are receptors. And it is all about the sensitivity of your receptors.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Do we know what your receptors are? We don't. We can test it at Baylor. It's called a CAG repeat. For example, you might feel great at a testosterone of 400. My husband might need a testosterone of 700 to feel good.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Depends. I mean, that's your best bet. Because in order to get testosterone free, so testosterone and sex hormone binding globulin, testosterone are like, or sex hormones are like children. They can't go anywhere alone.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
What you care about is that free number. Testosterone in the bloodstream is typically bound to sex hormone binding globulin. And then there's a free number. And that free number you want as high as, you know, I say as high as possible, but that free number should be high. It'll vary depending on whatever the lab is, whether it's 45 or higher depending. Again, it just depends on that lab range.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
But what I think is really important is that hormone replacement therapy has this taboo thing. film around it. Would you agree with that? I mean, there's struggles even right now with can you treat team guys? Can you treat active military? There's a lot of challenges with providing hormone replacement. It's old. It's old school. When you look at where that came from,
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Testosterone and hormone replacement therapy got a bad rap when the drugs with sporting happened. I'm not old enough to know what it was like to practice medicine before then, but I will tell you that since I have been in medicine, it has had a huge stigma for men and women. Testosterone is not FDA-proof for women. In my clinic, we put women on testosterone all the time.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Yes.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Diet and lifestyle. Do you know that obesity is one of the largest known risk factor for cancer?
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Why? Off-label, sex drive, low levels of testosterone, sarcopenia, decreased muscle mass. But what's so interesting is that I can give you a medication to make you less fat and nobody thinks twice about it, right? I can give you a Zempik. I can give you a GLP-1, GIP, Moderna, Wegovy. No one thinks twice about it.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
But when I write a script for hormones or talk to you about anabolics, it's like people think that's crazy.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Obesity? It is from our sleep habits, which I have terrible ones. It is from the potentially endocrine disruptors. It is we are under blue lights all the time. We are outside of the natural environment. We do not train. We are not robust as humans. Fertility levels have also decreased. The funny thing with medicine is once we get an idea, we believe that idea. I'll give you an example.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
For the longest time, people thought testosterone replacement therapy would cause prostate cancer. Did you ever hear that?
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I almost didn't do it because of that. It's not true. Nobody questioned that until the likes of, you know, the legends in the field of andrology like Abe Morgenthaler or Dr. Mohe Kara began to study this. It doesn't cause prostate cancer. And in fact, depending on the type of cancer, those that have low testosterone do worse. There seems to be some protective effects.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I would say that it's not.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Yes. So I think what we have to recognize is this common theme of having an idea that remains unchallenged. For decades, people believed and probably still do that testosterone causes cancer.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
No. No. Because we have to think about it. What is cancer? Cancer is a mutation in the genome. There are various types. And I'm not a cancer expert by any means. But it's some derangement that the body cannot overcome. Could there be one insult? For example, smoking. We know that the relative risk of smoking and cancer is tremendous.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Again, probably depends on the kind of cancer, probably depends on a multitude of factors. But overall, testosterone replacement does not cause cancer. Testosterone replacement can be protective. Also, this idea of testosterone replacement therapy affecting adversely your risk of a heart attack. They did something called the Traverse Trial.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
It does not increase negative outcomes for cardiovascular impacts. I mean, these are serious things to understand because as a society, we make overarching statements about our care based on unchallenged information or rhetoric or repetition.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Yes, I'll take over.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
For men, yes.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Now, sex hormone binding globulin, which is exactly what that is, that protein, will increase. But, you know, for example, my dad, who's 74, his testosterone is 750. Okay. He lives in Ecuador. He walks everywhere.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
He lives in Ecuador. He walks everywhere. He is very diligent on everything. I mean, he lives very close to nature. We do not have to face the state of the health that we are in. We do not have to be where we are at all.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
We are entering a renaissance. We are entering a golden era. I believe so.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
By the speculations, by 20, 30, 50% are going to be obese.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Our children, mine and your children, yes. They are going to be stronger and more capable and more robust.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
And he has an opportunity to do incredible work.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Chick-fil-A.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Hormones don't. So let's talk about this. Yes.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Let's talk about this.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Okay. We have the capacity to be healthier than ever before from a nutrition standpoint. Nutrition science is relatively new. It's not something that we've all known about. And I've trained in nutritional sciences. That's my area of expertise. I trained professionally in nutritional sciences for seven years. That's what I've done.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
But would a single dietary food cause cancer, like sugar or red meat? No. We have to look at the complexity of what we do on a daily basis.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
And I will tell you, over the last 20 years of watching this podcast, Number one, the guidelines, which are called the RDA, or that's the Recommended Dietary Allowance, and the dietary guidelines, when it relates to meaningful numbers, let's just say protein, they haven't changed in the last 50 years. Saturated fat, this percentage number is, I believe to be wrong, also hasn't changed.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
If we go back, because history repeats itself, where did this come from? In the 40s, they started to really think about food for people because of World War II. World War II, the backs were up against the wall. 40% of those that enlisted were unfit for war. Coming out of the Great Depression, they were just a mess. So there was this three-day conference. The idea was you win the war with food.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
How do we take broken Americans and make them robust? They began to put in rationing. Rationing was they recognized the importance of dietary protein. soldiers were rationed one to one and a half pounds of meat a week. Sounds like a lot, right?
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
A week. It's not that much, right?
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
It's not. The current dietary guidelines are recommending less than what we were rationed in the beginning of World War II.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Close to one gram. So the science says 1.6 grams per kg, which is 0.7 grams per pound. I believe if you want to age well, you're going to be closer to one gram per pound ideal body weight. But the statement that I'm making here is that we've had decades of misinformation and confusion. These guidelines have not changed.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
They came up with this hypothesis, this guy named Ancel Keys came up with this hypothesis that saturated fat caused heart disease. Saturated fat caused LDL to go up and it caused heart disease. The guidelines still exist with this foundation.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
So then they determined, well, 10% of the diet or less should be saturated fat, which by definition, anything above saturated fat would be considered unhealthy which means any animal food, if you look at the landscape and the guidelines, would be considered unhealthy. So an egg with 18% saturated fat will never be considered healthy.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
So we've created this construct, which is why I think we're hearing this eat less animal products, because that's what we're hearing, which I'm hoping is going to change. Now with the new administration, we have a real chance to change that. For the first time, I believe, ever. That narrative that was built has defined American eating.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
And one could argue that, hey, Americans don't follow the guidelines anyway, right? But guess who it affects? Anyone that receives federal funding. Our military, nursing homes, and schools.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I think that HGH, if prescribed appropriately, can be beneficial. I think you have to measure IGF-1 levels.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I think no good doctor would do that.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Over time. I mean, I believe that to be true over time, yes.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I think it would be very unethical. I mean, I can't speak for other physicians, but I know that my colleagues, physicians in my practice, the colleagues that I respect, they would never do that. Because it's unethical. You can't, you know, a doctor's first oath is to do no harm, period, end of story. You know, I explained how rigorous training is.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
You don't do that because you're hoping to make a lot of money. I mean, you're not going into medicine because this is a financial thing. There are many other avenues to probably do much better financially without a ton of debt, without all this stuff. People go into medicine, I believe, because they truly care about their fellow humans. I do believe that.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Okay. I mean, I think that we've all made bad choices.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
And so if there is a doctor that is pushing things on a patient because of a sale, then it is not the right doctor. And I will also tell you this, a doctor will go to find solutions for that patient. For example, compounding pharmacies. That's why I brought up Empower. Or pick your favorite compounding pharmacy that you know and trust. The job is to make medications affordable.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
How do we make testosterone affordable? How do we make, I don't know, HGH affordable? How do you make Ozempic affordable?
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I deal with a lot of executives, a lot of moms.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Yes, I do. I see a lot of commonalities within patients across the board.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
To clarify, there's not that many team guys in general. The practice, while we service special operators and their families, we take care of a certain type of person. And that type of person is willing to do whatever it takes to get better. They are expecting more for themselves. You're not coming into my practice because you want to feel average. You just don't.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
You are coming to me because you want to remove physical limitations to be the best version of yourself. Maybe you are someone with Lyme. Maybe you are someone with gastrointestinal problems. Maybe you are someone who wants hormone optimization because you want to feel better. I would say across the board for guys, let's say a middle-aged guy.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Who is your audience, by the way, aside from everybody in the world?
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
They're great questions. So I'm hoping that we're clearing things up for people.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
So let me tell you, that is actually exactly why I started my podcast. My podcast doesn't have people that you know. My podcast has experts that have been in the trenches for 20 years that can talk about seed oils. So seed oils, for example, is a really hot topic, and there's influencers everywhere. But what is it when you actually examine the evidence? And who is the expert?
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Who is actually doing those studies and how do we make sense of it? Those are the people that I bring on my podcast. Before we started, I actually, you'll see them in your email. I had, for example, the former president of the Lipid Association. His name is Kevin Mackey. You're not going to know him on social media, Dr. Kevin Mackey. But you will know that...
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
his science he doesn't care what the answer is he just wants to know so we had this long conversation about seed oils i said dr mackie what is it what's the truth and he said well if you go back and you look at the overwhelming body of evidence the overwhelming body of evidence will support that um They are neutral. And I know that I'm—this is, again, this is not my opinion.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
He said they are overwhelmingly neutral, if not positive, when you replace for saturated fat. And I was like, well, how can that be? That seems crazy. And he said, well, the data isn't perfect, but this collection of data supports that. Again, why are we worried about seed oils? Because people are worried about inflammations. Inflammation is driven by overall dietary choices that are bad.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Do you know the number one food consumed in the U.S.? No. Pizza. Do you know the number one— I do love pizza. Do you know the number one vegetable consumed in the U.S.?
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Potato. In the form of potato chips. Do you know, this is my last, do you know, do you know the number one fruit consumed in the U.S.? Think of the most carb-heavy fruit you would pick. Bananas.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
No. It is not. Should our seed oils unnatural? Totally. Have we tripled their intake over that last handful of decades? Yes. Do we know that they are harmful? Well, they're usually omega-6s, so seed oils would be canola oil, anything that comes from a vegetable. Is the problem that we are eating them with pastries, baked goods, and fried foods? Is that the problem?
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Are we overheating and heating this substance multiple times? And or are we not balancing it with not enough omega-3 fatty acids? The data, again, data's not perfect. There's probably a lot of problems with it. But I emotionally want to believe that all seed oils are bad. Is that emotion backed by what the evidence says? It's not. Do I believe that highly processed foods are killing us? Yeah.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Are we on a suicide diet? Totally.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I don't really like pizza. What? I don't really like pizza.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
It's kind of gross.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
No, I'm just kidding. No, you guys are definitely not taking me to pizza. I know for a fact. But listen, I think that we have to understand that we are eating in terms of what is the dietary pattern. And when things... There's a lot of noise out there in the health and wellness space that makes it very confusing for people. And that noise creates distraction.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
That distraction allows for distrust and it allows for people to be taken away from proper action. We can all agree that whole foods are probably best. We have an entire nation to feed. You know, are conventionally raised beef, is that just as healthy as grass-fed beef?
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I mean, if my choice was I'm going to eat convention or organic or I'm going to eat, I don't know, a pastry because it's not organically raised meat, I'm going to eat conventional meat. Is conventional meat tested before it goes on market? Yes. Is it, you know, are there a ton of antibiotics? There can't be detectable limits of this stuff in beef. But beef also can't defend itself.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Beef is a commodity. Red meat is a commodity. And what do I mean by commodity? Well, you have, if I say the other white meat, what do you say?
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Well, you'd probably say pork.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Yeah. If I say, does a body good, what am I talking about?
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Exactly. If I say, blank, what's for dinner? What do you say? Say beef. Beef. So this is an example of a commodity. Commodity is under the monitors, under the umbrella of the USDA. USDA has very strict regulations. These commodities, they have a collective marketing budget of $750 million. That was the last number that I looked at. They are very restricted about what they can say.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
And where am I going with this? I'm going to get there. $750 million for all these commodities. Dairy, pork, almonds, probably throw almonds as a commodity in there. Versus, now, they can only say they're part of a healthy diet. This is a good source of B vitamins. Versus anything that is a processed food is under the FTC. PepsiCo, that marketing budget is $2 billion. That's one company.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
$2 billion.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Correct. Is $2 billion. All of the commodities, all of these whole foods alone, these foods that are coming from ranchers, whether it's organic, whether it's conventional, however they're doing it, they pool their money together in this checkoff. Their collective marketing budget is $750 million. All together. Wow.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Fake meat can say and create rhetoric and narrative to say red meat is killing the planet. Almond juice, almond juice can say this has a better carbon footprint than milk. The commodities, which is why you see such a vast difference in what you're hearing, commodities cannot defend themselves.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
They cannot say, because of the restrictions, they cannot say, actually, no, fake meat's not good for you. We are a much better source of protein. They cannot be disparaging against any other product. What does that mean for the consumer? When an anti-animal narrative, which is fed by, as you can guess, the guys with a ton of money and a machine, they can say whatever they want.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
And so then the American public doesn't know what to think, what to believe, or how to eat. And again, that's a huge problem. So we have to go back to the fundamentals. The fundamentals are... Good, solid nutrition, which, again, these guidelines haven't been updated in, I don't know, 50 years. You know, we were chatting, why did you write a book? I wrote a book. my book for that reason.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
And there was a moment that I knew I had to do it. Do you want to know what that is? What is it? I was in fellowship, just coming out of fellowship, and I had not been on social media at all. During my time at WashU, I was in a geriatric fellowship. So I did combined nutritional research and geriatrics. Have you ever been to a nursing home?
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Pretty depressing, right?
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
You never want to end up there, right? No. Part of my job was to take care of these patients. On the weekends, I'd round at the nursing home. Broken hip, percentage of those people are, first of all, they're never going to survive. Their quality of life is over. And we know that their mortality rate is extremely high within the next six months to a year. What did they lack? Muscle.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
They weren't training. They lacked muscle. They go to the doctor. The doctor says, you need to cut back on your cholesterol. Stop eating red meat. Which, by the way, they took cholesterol out of the guidelines in 2015. That was taken out of the dietary guidelines in 2015.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
So I wrote this book because when I was on social media and seeing these things, people were talking about how we should go more plant-based. The American diet is 70% already plant-based. Whether it comes from processed seed oils, processed whatever, we are not aging well. And I'm like, well, all this information, they're talking about red meat and cancer. That's not true.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Talking about all this stuff, how protein is bad for the kidneys, how... you know, animal protein is going to raise cholesterol, all of this stuff when all of this stuff was not true. So you asked me, you know, did I write my book? I wrote my book, and that's exactly why. Because— And good reason. How am I going to protect people? So I wrote this book, Forever Strong.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I didn't call it marginally weak. It's a joke. It's my mom joke. But— It's the people in the middle that I'm worried about. It's the people that have a chance to be able to actually change the trajectory of their life. By the time you're in the nursing home, I don't want to say it's too late, but I mean, that's a tough place to start. Screwed in the line, huh? And I worry about our kids. Me too.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
This idea that, have you heard that exercise isn't good for our kids? They shouldn't be lifting weights. Have you heard that?
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Yeah.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Oh, was this, this wasn't the Blue Zones, right?
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
The Blue Zones, there's a lot of problems with the Blue Zones.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Because the Blue Zones are hand-selected places, which, by the way, the Blue Zones, which they, depending on where it is, have some of the highest poverty rates, highest level of smoking, lowest level of education, and income.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
It's not, you can't pick areas and say, this is what's going to make you live to 100, right? It is a culmination of how you do your life. And that doesn't necessarily translate to us in the U.S. Unless you're like my dad in Ecuador, who's walking four hours to go from somewhere to the grocery store. These blue zones, this is, there are a lot of issues with that.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Well, be strong as hell. The stronger you are, the more robust you are, the more muscle mass you have, the longer you're going to live. And God forbid you get any of those things that we're talking about, cancer, fall, the greater your survivability. We don't have an obesity problem. We got the problem wrong. Just like we got the problem with testosterone and prostate.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Just like we've gotten the problem wrong with, I don't know, you name it. We have the problem wrong with obesity. It's just a symptom of unhealthy skeletal muscle. You want to live to 100? Be as strong as you can for as long as you can. Have as much muscle mass as you can.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Less than one hour.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
What do you do? Three days a week. Three to four days a week, I train. I work with my trainer, Carlos Mata. He's amazing. I should just call him the Punisher. Three days a week, what do we do? We do heavy sled pushes. We do compound movements. We do kettlebell swings. We do... Bag tosses. We do rope pulls. We do isolations. We do resistance training.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
We do it in a form of progressive overload, meaning my goal is to get stronger and better. I do that three to four days a week. But the other days, I am active. You see how much I'm moving now? I should sit on my hands. Probably would be a terrible interview. I'm sorry, guys. But I move. I'll put a weight vest on and I'll walk around.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
take calls while I'm on a treadmill, wear a weight vest, walking, rucksack. With my kids, we don't do any electronics.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Terrible idea. It's a terrible idea. I would have a lot more time if I used electronics with them, but we don't. And what I've done is I build into my life activity. It's not, do I train three to four days a week for an hour? Yeah, I do. That's four hours a week. It's activity during the day. I hate this term, exercise snacks. It's terrible.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
But it's this physical movement that you put in throughout your day. I will tell you something else. Zone 2, have you heard of Zone 2?
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
It's having its moment, that slow, steady-state cardio. It's having its moment. I don't have time for that. Do you have time for that?
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
So I think as a society, we have to recognize there's multiple ways to get to an end point. The less time you have to train, the more intense it has to be. You do not have to spend hours doing zone two cardio. We tend to not like to get really uncomfortable and breathe heavy. And, you know, when shit sucks, it's exactly what we should do.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
You get away with 20 minutes a week of that, and you'll still have longevity benefits.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Body composition. Body composition.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I don't want you doing a bunch of marathons like my husband. You have to be strong. You have to lift weights. Does diet play a role? Yeah, we've got micronutrients that we need, not just the macronutrients. You know, we have nutrients of concern like iron, zinc, selenium, B12 for brain function. You need all those things too. But
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
If you do not move and move in a meaningful way, then your capacity to move reduces. So you have to become very intelligent about the ways in which you're pushing forward. I think the worst thing that can happen to someone is they get injured.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
shoulder injury back injury how do you facilitate a life that allows for maximum movement in a meaningful way for outcomes right you want to be able to lift your kids over your head when you're 75 so these are the things that we have to do you have to train in a meaningful way with resistance training there's no there's i'm sorry walking is not going to do that for you my friend It's not.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
You have to lift things. Do you have to do some kind of high-intensity training once a week? I think that you should, unless you're just going to do zone two, which will take hours.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Oh, that's right. Someone messaged me. Katie, your wife messaged me. She didn't say who, but she was like, oh, I just heard.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Here's what I think. I believe everything that you're saying in terms of there are changes in soil, the way in which our fruits and vegetables are, they're not what they used to be. If you've ever had a natural blueberry or a strawberry, they don't taste the way that ours do. So they are cultivated to be significantly sweeter.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
We also pick food and then it sits and then it's sent and it respires, it loses its nutrients. All of that is true. Whole foods are ideal. Are whole foods enough? No, I don't believe whole foods enough. Do I believe in supplementation? I absolutely do believe in supplementation. But how do I think about it? I think the best diet is a diet where it's both plant and animals.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Whole foods diet, plant and animals, fruits and vegetables. Lean red meats. If you want to throw some salmon, organ meats. Kind of gross. I hide them in my kids' food. It's amazing. I even hide them in my husband's food. Do not tell him. What do you mean organ meats? Liver. Liver. That was my daughter's first food.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
It is unbelievably rich in iron, fat-soluble vitamins. There's no replacement for it. Retinol, there's no replacement. Vitamin A, vitamin E, vitamin D, there's no replacement for liver. What kind of liver? Cow liver, chicken liver. Doesn't matter. I mean, it's an acquired taste, but you don't need a ton of it. You can cook it in a burger, just a little bit. Maybe that was my daughter's first food.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
When you think about supplementation, it's what is it that you're potentially missing? I don't eat a ton of vegetables, so I use greens. I use green powder. I use red powder. I use... things that are rich in phytonutrients and colors. Do you use a red powder, green powder? You should. We will. I'll fix that.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Oh, wait. Wasn't I supposed to get a present?
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
What is it? It's not CBD gummy bears, is it?
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Yeah, where are my gummy bears?
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I watched your show so many times. I thought you would yell at me. So listen, I watched your show so many times, and you know what you always start out the show with? The hand-shaking. You go, everybody gets a gift.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I watched your, wait, I watched Duckworth. Was that her name? Duckworth, what was her name, who was doing the remote viewing? It was amazing. She got gummy bears.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Wait, we were talking about gummy bears.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
No, no. Wait, we were talking about gummy bears.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Amazing. What are you making?
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Vitamin D. Yeah, that stuff.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
So I think those are amazing.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
So it's the eyedropper of mushroom extract in the protein powder. Yeah.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
That's exciting.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I'm going to hold you to it. And gummy bears.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I'll tell you exactly what I'm doing these days. I start my morning with – have you ever heard of strong coffee? Yes.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Amazing. So I have strong coffee, which has collagen, L-theanine in it. I put an extra scoop of collagen. If you want to know exactly what I'm taking, I will tell you.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Do you know Bubz, Glenn Doherty's foundation?
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Okay. So a scoop of Bubz, and then I have a very small scooper of Amra, which is colostrum. That is my first thing that I take. I'm winning. I'm already winning. I have extra collagen, extra vitamins, all of this stuff in the shake. I go train, and you're looking at me crazy, not complicated. Three to four days a week, I might slam a protein shake. I do use a protein shake. I'm on my AG1 cake.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Well, I think that's a great question. The first thing that I would say is mitigate injury risk. Oftentimes, we think that training like we did in our 20s, 30s, 40s, or 50s might be able to take us through to 60 and beyond. For example, I don't do a ton of explosive crazy movements. I don't want to get injured. Picking things that you can do and do well.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Have you tried AG1? It's amazing. I actually mix it together with vanilla protein powder. I don't care. It tastes amazing. Fine. I take something called urolithin A. What is it? Urolithin A. What's that? It's a company called MitoPure. It says urolithin A. It is a postbiotic. It is very good for mitochondrial function. It has a lot of good data. It has over a decade of data.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
You know that you can screen for it very robustly. I'm scared to do that No, we're doing it We are doing it. I'm gonna tell you why I actually sent you a paper right before we came on the show I published a paper with my husband actually who is a urology resident on bladder cancer and military exposures and So I would say that military operators have higher rates of cancer.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Take 1,000 milligrams of that. I should probably break it up. I take fish oil. I have like a little pack. It has fish oil, magnesium, zinc. Take that with my shake. I'm like, good to go. That is so easy.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
It's great for gut health.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
So colostrum is mother's milk. So it's the stuff from mother's milk. There is a ton of nutrients and bioactive ingredients in it. If you get a company where the colostrum is not overheated and killed, then you have something that has a ton of immunoglobulins and these, you know, we think about.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Immunoglobulins.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Proteins. So things that are really good for the immune system in the body. The things that we were built on. This is amazing.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Well, there's some great data for gut health for me, and that's why I use it. I was having some weird—probably from my nicotine gum. I can't believe I'm saying this on the show. But probably from chewing nicotine gum, it affected my—you're laughing. I've never talked this much on a podcast. I'm sure all your guests do. Welcome to the show. Do all your guests do that? Oh, yeah.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I don't think I've ever talked this much. My husband might disagree, but the— And so I was getting like weird tingling on my tongue. It was just getting very sensitive. And I think that the nicotine was affecting the mucosal integrity. So I was like, well, I got to fix this. It's unacceptable. So that's why I started using Amra. And it has absolutely helped. But I use it for gut health.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
It's everything. It's your interface with the outside world. You know, we talked about nutrition, but you're only as good as what you absorb. You can eat perfectly, but if you do not have good gut integrity, which is basically the way in which the lining is intact, the way in which the mucosal is intact, it doesn't matter what you eat, it matters what you absorb.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
So we do stool samples. We look at proteins like zonulin, calprotectin, yeah, various markers. And then you can see a pattern in the blood work if someone is not absorbing their nutrients. There's a multitude of ways to get an answer. And it has to check out, you know?
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Gary probably also wanted you to take some B vitamins. He probably wanted you to take some methylated B vitamin complex. I'm guessing. Do you remember?
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
So the other supplement, so colostrum is great. I think that there's great benefit to collagen. Collagen does have a protein score of zero, though. People will say I get protein from collagen. That is not. It's an incomplete protein. Collagen does nothing for muscle health, but for skin integrity, I think that there's good evidence.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I think that we don't know exactly all of what collagen's benefits are yet because it's difficult to test. But I do think that there's definitely benefits for gut, for hair, for skin and nails. And then a red, green powder, whatever you choose. I've been on an AG1 cake. My mom actually got me on it because she was obsessed with it. It's like a multivitamin. It's not really a green powder.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
It's this multivitamin. It has a whole bunch of stuff in it. Then we have to think of it as a food matrix. So the foods that we eat, I think old school days or bodybuilding type stuff, it's your carbohydrates, fats, and proteins. The new school of thinking is really the food matrix. What is within a food that makes it comprehensive? And that's why I think AG1 is a good product. It's comprehensive.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
If someone's going to squat, if they're going to deadlift, picking a weight and doing it well. Also, prehab movements. There's, you know, the big three or big five things like... Prehab movements? Yeah, prehab movements. I actually learned this from an incredible physician. His name is Dr. Gerard D'Onofrio, and he, you know, has taught me a lot about the tissue... Integrity.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
It's a food matrix. Same with the colostrum. It's not an isolated vitamin C. And that's where I think the next iteration of supplements are actually going, is this idea of how do we recreate as much as possible a natural whole food matrix?
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Creatine. Every teen guy should be on creatine. 12 grams for the brain.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
There's some great evidence that creatine can help, especially as individuals are aging with cognition. I don't know the mechanism of action, but the data that I'm seeing in terms of cognition and memory, I think that's exciting.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
In medicine.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Thank you. Thanks, my friend.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
We think about muscle, but I think what a lot of the injuries happen, they are bone, they are connective tissue like tendons and ligaments. So how do you warm the body up so you don't go balls to the wall and hurt yourself? And these are movements like a bird dog or glute activators, things before you enter into the actual movement.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Oh, and so let's tell them. So obviously, you didn't edit it out. You're the only doctor.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
So Andrew and Gary, no one ever got these?
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
They will definitely be eaten. And I don't know where they're going, but they're definitely going to be eaten.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I'm grateful. I have watched enough of your podcast. I was a little, I was surprised I didn't get my bag.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Well, I got two bags.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I'm auctioning them. If you guys want them, I'm auctioning them.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
eBay.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
My Instagram. I'm going to auction them. I bet you they get sold.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I'm not great at it.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Horrible. We are both going to have dementia.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I'm sorry. Me neither. But sleep is... We should also backtrack. This idea of living to 100, we don't want to live old and decrepit. It's all about the quality of how we want to go out, right? The longevity space, I feel, oftentimes tries to not acknowledge the inevitable. It is the thing that no one gets away from. It's coming for all of us.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
It's wild. I do think it's, I mean, I don't know if you're afraid of death or the end, but it is, I don't know. I think that when we have young kids, we don't look forward to that. Before, I would argue that you feel like you have less to lose. Once you have children, it layers on a whole other level of vulnerability.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Also making sure you're doing corrective exercises, figuring out what your imbalances are. How do you do that? You've got to get screened. You've got to go to someone who knows what they're looking at.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Okay.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
You probably, there are a few genetic outliers that can get away with four hours of sleep. And I think that that is genetic. And they don't feel tired. They roll like that. The rest of us, and by the way, do you know the operative community self-selects for those people?
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Fascinating. Well, those are the ones that can complete training and remain robust. I had a sleep neuroscientist on my podcast. She is still active duty, and that was one of the topics that we covered in terms of how much sleep we need. The average person probably needs seven to eight hours. There's a range, whether it's six to eight.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
And then there's a handful of people that function amazing because of a genetic mutation on four or so hours. And it doesn't seem to have the negative implications.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Delta sleep peptide?
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
And it works, and you sleep.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
And I'm like, holy shit, I got that. What do we know about the science? We know that sleep is critical. It's the time that our brain processes. It is also the time where it cleans itself. One of the risk factors of dementia is not sleeping. Unfortunately, you know, I say this doesn't mean that I'm good at it. Deep sleep, sleep is critical for memory.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Well, I have the people for you. I have the people for you.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
If you are not sleeping well, the body doesn't seem to recover in all aspects. And I'm not talking about from training, but we know that when you lose sleep, don't sleep, it can affect metabolism. I remember when I was doing the 24-hour night shifts, I put a—I sound like a total nerd, but I put a glucose monitor on—
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
to measure my blood sugar, and the nights where I wasn't sleeping, my blood sugar was through the roof. Those things over time, one night, two nights, here and there of impaired sleep's probably not a problem, but those lifetime habits, and we live in a society where I'll sleep when I'm dead is a thing.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
It is important, but you have to understand you may be a person who doesn't require as much sleep as the next person. That is true. But it's critical. I mean, when I was screening patients for dementia, one of the things that we always asked was, how much sleep? You want to know what else affects sleep? Good thing we're on nicotine. Thank God we're on nicotine and caffeine.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I would work with my colleague, for example, Dr. Jordan Shallow or Don Saladino, people I know and trust, and we would screen you. How are you moving?
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I mean, but also, what is the reality of it? Do your kids sleep in your bed?
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I can't get my kids out of my bed.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
So I've been trying. Three in five, those kids will not sleep in their own bed.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I don't know. The last night I had a good night's sleep was when I was here. But all kidding aside, I think a lot— Your kids sleep in bed with you guys?
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I cannot get them—yes.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Well, my husband's creative.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
He'll find a way. It doesn't matter.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Don't worry. Oh, my God.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Yeah, exactly. The laundry room? Okay.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Very important. Very important. Sex organs, while smooth muscle, they're still a muscle. Sex life is a barometer to overall health. And again, I'd mentioned Dr. Mohit Khera, he created this term called sex span. So basically this idea of your lifespan, health span, I believe in muscle span.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
So muscle is the length of time you live with healthy skeletal muscle, which by the way, I think trumps all of it. He created this idea of sex span and that for men, it is the ultimate barometer for cardiovascular health, for vascular health, for metabolic health. And for women, it's this funny thing because women's sex drive seems to change as they age. And the tissue can atrophy.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
So we talked about hormone replacement. We didn't talk about women. I believe very strongly in hormone replacement for women to maintain sex drive and also protect the tissue, the vaginal tissue. It'll atrophy.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
So basically, if you want to live to 100, have a lot of sex. It can be in the laundry room. Sleep. Eat your dietary protein. Get Sean's gummies.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
For me, because I tore my hamstring, I knew that I had to get very particular actions. So for me personally, and it's interesting, I would say the guys that have been in the teams, you have to be built very robustly. If you are not built very robustly, you wash out. You don't even make it. But for me, for a normal athletic person, I have movements like my squat isn't right.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Did I miss anything?
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
There is no number. But I'll give you my personal opinion. Personally, it's probably close to every day, which seems like a lot of sex. Because we're animals. Doesn't seem like a lot.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
It seems like a lot, but I think that a healthy relationship would be at least a couple times a week. I mean, we are animals. We're very domesticated, but we are animals. And I think that it has overall effect on mood, oxytocin production, which is that connection hormone.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Yeah.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
So when you breastfeed and there's that milk letdown, we talked about colostrum, that mother's milk, it is released. One way it's released is through oxytocin. And oxytocin is a neurochemical that is released when you feel close and when you hug. It's what they call the love hormone, the happy hormone.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
You can also intranasally take it, by the way. We prescribe that in our practice for mothers that are lactating.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
But, you know, having sex while you're pregnant or breastfeeding is not as fun, potentially, but fair.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I don't know. Okay. I don't know that answer, but I do think that there is something in relationship with the other person. But also, and I'm just taking a stab at this, probably the flora, the mucosa of two partners.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Again, I'm not an expert in this sexual flora area. But if I was a betting woman, I would say that as natural as we can get, we'll help optimize our life. The other thing with living to 100 is community, is meaningful relationships. There's a lot of data coming out that the quality of your relationships can help with the longevity of your life, which is surprising.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I mean, I'm always interested in what's gonna make people better. There's all kinds of data that comes out. We just see it increasing over time. And, you know, it's difficult to study. One of the challenges with not just nutrition, but also influences from communities, things like the Blue Zones, is it's all epidemiology. It's not a randomized controlled trial.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Randomized controlled trial would be high-quality evidence. So the idea where it's epidemiology is where we look at groups of people.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
The data on that is considered low-quality evidence, weak or low-quality evidence. Very difficult to do randomized controlled trials over decades. It would be near impossible.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Well, they're also notoriously very bad at record keeping. We don't know the validity of the birth certificates.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Now, if my memory serves me correct, there's various areas within Okinawa and that, you know, or I can say China. So there was, you know, various areas of China that are considered blue zones, but they compare it to the area in China where everyone is outdoors and doing a lot of physical labor versus areas in China where they are, be like living in New York City. The things aren't comparable.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
But what I think that we can learn from the blue zones are lifestyle modification factors. Physical activity is critical. Now, one would say, oh, I'm out, I'm doing all these things, and I'm walking, I'm exercising. The reality of how we live doesn't necessarily make it conducive to live like the blue zone. I don't think it's enough. In the blue zone, you don't hear about people lifting weights.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
You don't hear about people purposely going through stressful experiences. We, as Americans, we live here. We live in a sedentary type of culture. We are up against various other environmental factors. For us, we do need to train hard. We do need to do various things that if you lived in an island somewhere where it was fresh water and flowers, you might be fine.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
But I think that it can guide us, but it's not translatable.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Someone would watch my squats. Someone would watch my lunge. Just movements that maybe I'm not activating my glute or maybe my hip is dropping. But someone who knows what to look for. Just like a doctor who can look at blood work and say, you know what? Your eosinophils are elevated. You might have a gut bug.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Yeah. We're just designed. That's how we're designed. We're not designed to be under fluorescent lights. We evolved with a 24-hour circadian rhythm. And we are very removed from that. I do believe that we are going to move from this idea of sleep biology to circadian biology. We think about it as sleep.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I think that sleep is going to fall under the umbrella of circadian biology, meaning how we eat in terms of the timeframes, how we eat breakfast. Are we eating at the same time? Are we eating when the light is out? Do we stop eating at... five o'clock in Texas when the sun goes down. Our body is designed to not be out of alignment with its natural rhythms.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
And I think the further that we move away from those natural rhythms, the more dysregulated, the more inflammation that we create, regardless of doing all of the things.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I can't say for sure, but what I can tell you is there seems to be a lot of promising information. When we say psychedelics, are we talking about Ibogaine, NMDA, are we talking about Ayahuasca? There are various modalities, I think, that affect the brain. What we do see is that it seems to improve mood, relationships, difficult depression to treat.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
There are definite benefits to psychedelic therapy. Again, we definitely see it in the military population. I just see it all the time from patients that go and do some kind of psychedelic therapy, come back and they definitely seem transformed and their relationships seem transformed and their depression and anxiety.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I have done ayahuasca in Ecuador.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Threw up a lot. Threw up a lot. I don't know if I did.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
My father, who is an expat, is very interested in plant medicine. He's been down there for over a decade, and he went through some really significant struggles, and he found that plant medicine really helped him and really transformed his life. And I'm very open-minded. I'm very interested in how can we become the best version of ourselves.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
And if there's something that I am doing or have subconsciously that's holding me back, I want to address it. So I was very open to trying it.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
There are professionals that really look at the body comprehensively to see those movement patterns.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Not interested at all.
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#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
At all. He's afraid.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Of the things that it might bring up. Fair enough. The things I would say military members, particularly special operations community, I mean, again, I can only speak from my experience, seem to be very good at compartmentalizing. But the one thing that I know for sure is that you can't escape these things. It comes out. It has to be addressed. You know, we were talking before.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I've been seeing patients for almost two decades and not quite two decades, but... maybe close to 15 years or a little over, there are through lines that you see of individuals that are able to become very successful, not just from a business perspective, but as humans. And a physician's job is to recognize patterns, typically patterns of diseases.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
But there are very particular attributes or patterns of individuals that I think... allow for them to become the best version of themselves. And I have just seen similarity after similarity. And one which may be surprising is a level of neutrality. They're neutral. Things are going great. Things are going terrible. They're even. They never get too high. They never get too low.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
The way you're moving. Screening, yeah, and in dynamic positions. You know, with the back, typically if someone has a sedentary lifestyle, just outside of exercise, figuring out what kind of mechanical thing that they're doing that is creating issues throughout their whole 24-hour cycle. And then the other thing, what about things like stem cell treatments? I think that that can be very valuable.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
They're very neutral. And the individuals that are able to maintain a neutral mind seem to be the ones that have the most success.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I definitely have a level of neutrality. Absolutely. Because I know what happens if you get too excited or too pumped up. Basically, what I see over time, and I've obviously seen within myself, and you've probably experienced, that let's say you had a big event.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
as high as you go for that big event, as amped up as you're gonna be, you're gonna go give a talk, you're gonna get out there, will be as low as you fall. So it's this kind of dopamine swing. You see individuals that will release a book or that will make millions of dollars because of a deal that they closed, or they'll have a major event in Las Vegas, whatever it is.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
These people get ready for the high and they're chasing the high and they're getting so excited. And again, I see this in my patients. They get so amped up that at the pinnacle of being amped up right before the event, right before the book release, right before the major show that comes off or comes out, whatever that is, is a point of vulnerability.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
And they will continue to chase the high, make bad decisions, increase risk-taking behavior. Let's say you're someone who likes to buy a car. Right at that pinnacle, you're going to go out to purchase. You'll do something to continue to drive that high. But what's so fascinating is at that point of vulnerability, when people are at their peak, you never think about
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
doing this amazing thing, and right at that peak is where you're vulnerable. But as high as you go in emotion and success, as high as you allow yourself to go, is as low as you fall.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
People after, I mean, I had this one patient, this one guy, he would put on this big event in Vegas. Every year he would call me, I knew it. I'm feeling depressed. I don't want to work out. I don't know, maybe I should buy a new car. He just made millions of dollars. like clockwork. The human mind is predictable. As high as he would go would be as low as he would go.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
And that second point of vulnerability is where it takes people months to recover if they're unaware. If they don't allow for this dopamine, which is a neurotransmitter thought to be responsible for drive and motivation, if that doesn't recover, and the best way to help with recovery, I mean, you can train it,
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
But if you do not allow yourself to get amped up, celebrate all those wins, you really modify what the meaning is, then you never get too high. Then you never fall so low. And the people listening can probably appreciate that because I'm sure your team here has had major events or major things that you've had to do. Following that... accomplishment is where people surprisingly feel depressed.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
And at that moment is a level of vulnerability. Like maybe when they go on vacation, just something simple. When you get back from vacation, people feel depressed. They've been high all week. And then as high as they go is as low. So back to the statement that I was making is that there are predictable behaviors and ways in which we can modulate our human experience.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
And when you recognize that human beings are totally predictable, tactical things to improve neutrality. I don't know. Don't celebrate every win. You want some nicotine? Look at it. Don't have it. Put it back. Heads or tails, you get to eat that gummy bear. Tails, you get to eat it. Heads, you don't. So you practice this kind of purposeful restriction.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Yeah.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
They set standards. There's this idea of goals, that we should have the goal and work towards the goal. The goal allows for failure. you set standards by how you execute what you believe in and you do those things over time, then you always rely on your standards. You're not setting the 10-pound goal of weight loss. You are the type of person that wakes up and trains.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
You are the type of person that executes these key components because that's your standard. I mean, that's critical. The third one is managing distraction. Distraction, I think, kills more people than, I don't know, heart disease.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Yeah. I mean, I don't know, but it seems like people say that— Kills success or kills people? Kills dreams, kills people. I mean, distraction allows you to do things that are unimportant in place of things that are very meaningful. You know, I really started thinking deeply about this. I don't even want to tell a story. We live in Texas, and I have two very little children.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Take your blood, spins it down. It helps create an inflammatory process to help rebuild and repair.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
My husband was going to San Diego to present this urology paper that he wrote, some study. And we go to the pool every summer. Well, every summer. We've been there two summers. Every day during the summer. I have a three-year-old boy. He cannot swim. My daughter is able to swim. Amazing. She's good at everything. Life is going to be hard for her. But there were eight lifeguards there.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
They all know my son. We go every day. There were two children in the pool. I'm a helicopter parent, especially around a pool. I look up. There are eight fucking lifeguards, and there are two kids in the pool, and no one is there. I'm like, you know what? Ares—my daughter's name is Ares after the God of War— We were going to FaceTime Shane, who was leaving, to say goodbye. And we FaceTime him.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I look up, and I didn't see my son. He was drowning at the deep end of the pool. What do you think those eight lifeguards were doing?
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I've had it done multiple times. We send a lot of team guys to get them done, and oftentimes we don't have them leave the country.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Thank God I looked up. Ran in. Jumped in. Got him out. He was okay. Had I not looked up, that little boy would not be here. Damn. So... We are in a culture of complete distraction. That would have changed our lives forever.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Man. So when you think about what allows people to fulfill their life, their life's purpose, Those are the ones that are undistracted and unencumbered by distraction.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
It's discernment. You're able to discern the right thing to do at the right time. What was so important? I'm like, there's no way something's going to happen to my son. There were eight fucking lifeguards.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
No one was in the pool. Damn. So when we think about this global idea of health and wellness— You know, there are things that distract and minimize our ability to discern the things that are most important from the things that aren't. You know, we talk about sleep and supplements, but ultimately, you know, this level of neutrality, I think even at the top of that is the ability to discern.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I can. I can. I think that when you go outside the U.S., there are various countries that have been doing it for a very long time. You know, they do it in Dubai. They do it in Japan. I can't speak to those areas. I mean, some of my friends have clinics over there. There are various places in Mexico. Again, it's hit or miss. It's not regulated. You have to go to someone who you trust.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Is this thought a relevant thought? Is this action a relevant action? you know, is this nutrition plan, you know, whatever it is, this is what I've committed to, this is my standard. So you wrap it all up in discernment. And the better you are at discerning, the more capable you are going to be in all aspects of health, wellness, business.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I have two more books coming out. One comes out in a year and then in the following year.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
The next book is going to be a manual. So it'll go with Forever Strong. You want to look up how to sleep, how to lose fat, whatever it is, it'll be there. Oh, wow. You don't have to think about the science. It's a protocol-based book.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
And the book after that is one for women.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Forever strong for women. Good deal.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
Thank you so much for having me. I joke that I've never probably talked this much on a podcast. You are a spectacular host. Truly, this has been one of my most favorite podcasts. I'm so grateful. Thank you for having me. Yeah, thank you.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
I mean, it's really important because I've heard really bad stories of people that have gotten infected. Yeah. Be very careful.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
It has to be validated. It has to be vetted. I mean, there are reasons why we have certain regulations. And one might argue that we might be slow to change. But I think there are certain procedures that, again, I don't do these procedures. There are certain procedures that can be done stateside that I think are very effective.
Shawn Ryan Show
#175 Dr. Gabrielle Lyon - The Nicotine Debate, Aging Conspiracies and Living to 100
We're talking about cancer as if it's one thing. There are various types of cancer. The good news is there are very robust screening tools. For example, full-body MRI scans. I'm sure you've heard of the Prunovo scan. What is it? Prunovo scan, have you heard of that?
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Truth About Nutrition: How You Can Take a Science-Based Approach | Bradley Johnston PhD
The loaded term and phenomenon of misinformation has left many Americans asking, what if everything I know about nutrition is wrong? How often have we trusted headlines only to find years later the advice was misleading or incomplete? From demonizing red meat to hyping plant-based diets, nutrition science has become a battleground for conflicting advice and misconceptions.
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The Truth About Nutrition: How You Can Take a Science-Based Approach | Bradley Johnston PhD
Why would someone for those who don't know quite what evidence based practices are, why is it important to have them and to understand them?
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Truth About Nutrition: How You Can Take a Science-Based Approach | Bradley Johnston PhD
Join me as we separate fact from fiction when it comes to nutrition. Dr. Bradley Johnston, welcome to the show. I am so thrilled to have you here. I've been a huge fan of your work. I think that you've done a tremendous job at helping us think about evidence-based practices, how we can sift through information. And you have your PhD. I believe that you're also a professor now. Are you teaching?
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Truth About Nutrition: How You Can Take a Science-Based Approach | Bradley Johnston PhD
What do you think confuses people the most, both clinicians, physicians, or people? There's a lot of discussion around evidence-based practices. And we throw those terms around quite frequently. Myself, my colleagues will say this is evidence-based practices. This is evidence-informed practices.
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The Truth About Nutrition: How You Can Take a Science-Based Approach | Bradley Johnston PhD
What do you think, from both perspectives, both the lay public and the expert finds most, where would they be most misled or where would it be most confusing for them, do you think?
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The Truth About Nutrition: How You Can Take a Science-Based Approach | Bradley Johnston PhD
Actually, my first visit with a patient will be an hour and a half to two hours. And our second visit will be an hour and a half, an hour.
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The Truth About Nutrition: How You Can Take a Science-Based Approach | Bradley Johnston PhD
Yes.
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The Truth About Nutrition: How You Can Take a Science-Based Approach | Bradley Johnston PhD
Yes. And all the providers in our practice, we spend a tremendous amount of time getting to know our patient's favorite color and what their dog's name is. Everything is awesome. And they find their socks, whatever it is.
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The Truth About Nutrition: How You Can Take a Science-Based Approach | Bradley Johnston PhD
When you are taking us through that process, it is – it seems as if it's – I don't want to say tedious because there's a couple questions that I have, you know, as I think about this. The first thing that comes up is how do we ask the question? If we are looking at dietary programs and someone is thinking, does the –
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Truth About Nutrition: How You Can Take a Science-Based Approach | Bradley Johnston PhD
Amazing. Amazing. Tell us a little bit about your background, what your PhD is in, how you became interested in the work that you're doing now.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Truth About Nutrition: How You Can Take a Science-Based Approach | Bradley Johnston PhD
Question, are we asking the right question to get the answer that we're looking for? Does this make sense? So I'll give you an example. Sure. And this might not be the greatest example, but when I was doing my fellowship in geriatrics and nutritional sciences, the question was always... why are these individuals obese, right?
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The Truth About Nutrition: How You Can Take a Science-Based Approach | Bradley Johnston PhD
And there was this constant focus on obesity and body composition in that way, focus on fat. But when we switched the conversation and we began to examine why there were challenges with healthy skeletal muscle, we seemed to get, at least I did in my practice, I seemed to get better outcomes, right?
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The Truth About Nutrition: How You Can Take a Science-Based Approach | Bradley Johnston PhD
Exactly. And my question to you is, as we think about evidence-based practices, because ultimately what we all want is we're all wanting to make people's lives better. You are doing that through examining evidence, making the evidence and the guidelines accessible in a way to provide a framework and an architecture for us to think about it.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Truth About Nutrition: How You Can Take a Science-Based Approach | Bradley Johnston PhD
And then my job as a clinician is to go out and implement that. And when someone asks for argument's sake, what is the best dietary program to reduce all cause mortality?
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The Truth About Nutrition: How You Can Take a Science-Based Approach | Bradley Johnston PhD
The first step in my mind would be when you're thinking about evidence-based practices is we have to get the question right. Am I thinking about this in an appropriate manner?
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What are the—I don't want to get ahead of myself, but I'm curious as to what the process is to get to the right— Because if we're not asking the right question and, you know, we can interview our patients and they might not be able to verbalize appropriately what they want.
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But, you know, as we begin to think about course correcting for the public and obviously evidence-based practices could be exercise, it could be nutrition, it could be medication, right? It could be all these various domains of health.
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Asking the right question seems like that that is probably a challenge. You said that that's a skill. So what are the core competencies for understanding evidence-based practices?
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Can you get that online? Can I get that certificate online?
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It is all coming into focus for me now because one of our mutual colleagues, Stu Phillips, says McMaster's is the home of evidence-based practices. Have you heard him say that?
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The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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Which is probably the easiest one, right? It's what does the individual want?
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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When you had said, based on the best available evidence... If someone is wanting to have an evidence-based practice or for themselves, how much evidence is required to say, okay, because I think that when you look at the Mediterranean diet, you had mentioned, was it 40 or was it seven? There was somewhere. How many studies were evaluated?
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Okay.
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Amazing. In my mind, I'm thinking, okay, well, that's only seven, but perhaps two would be enough. When can we say there's enough data to have an evidence-based practice?
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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Is there, do you think that there is, and this is just a personal question in the way that, do you think that there's risk if we are not doing evidence-based practices? Meaning, you know, I don't know. Do you, because you spent your life studying this, really bringing this process forward, right?
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Was this vitamin E, one of those?
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Truth About Nutrition: How You Can Take a Science-Based Approach | Bradley Johnston PhD
The term is thrown around a lot. What is involved in studying evidence-based? And do you say evidence-based medicine or do you say evidence-based practice? What would be the correct term?
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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And that makes me think of two things. Number one, the health outcomes that matter. Nutrition, medicine is so dynamic, so complex. For example, the outcome of mortality is important to some people. For me, I might not want to lose my hair. So I might need, right?
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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So I might need, you know, my mind, okay, well, how do I make sure that my vitamin mineral status is optimized to make sure I have enough copper and biotin or any of these various nutrients?
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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That's a very good point. Do you think that that is a challenge for providers? And I don't want to say just clinicians because it's not. It's really everybody. It's our health. Are nutritional type studies challenging to do?
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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Do you think that if you could wave a magic wand – I'm sure that we have some up in my kids' rooms. We have all sorts of magic wands and things of that nature. For an understanding perspective for the listener, what do you think would be critical for them to, I would say, understand about this landscape of evidence-based practices and thinking about it where you could say, okay –
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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I'm going to correct your way of thinking and interpreting this. There you go. I've just now anointed you. Like, so some tips for... Or the biggest misconception, the biggest challenge of, you know, again, we throw these terms around all the time, evidence-based practices, evidence-informed, but is it really evidence-based?
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Truth About Nutrition: How You Can Take a Science-Based Approach | Bradley Johnston PhD
Is there, you know, you have highlighted with your work, which has been absolutely tremendous, you've published almost, I don't know, 200 peer-reviewed papers on really at the forefront of nutritional sciences in various aspects, tackling all kinds of questions, because I think your passion has been asking a question and then examining the evidence of the things that we think that we know, right?
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Truth About Nutrition: How You Can Take a Science-Based Approach | Bradley Johnston PhD
And you had mentioned the quality of evidence. How many categories is high, moderate, and low? Is there a gray in between?
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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And what are those things?
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The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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But doesn't it take away?
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Truth About Nutrition: How You Can Take a Science-Based Approach | Bradley Johnston PhD
The way that I'm hearing it is it actually should be somewhat unifying. Ideally, yes. You know, I'm looking at this article right now and we can link it. I want to make sure this is open access. This is grade evidence to decision frameworks. And it's a systematic and transparent approach to making well-informed health care choices.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Truth About Nutrition: How You Can Take a Science-Based Approach | Bradley Johnston PhD
May I ask your opinion on something? Sure. Why do we care about this?
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Truth About Nutrition: How You Can Take a Science-Based Approach | Bradley Johnston PhD
Yeah, both, because I think that there's one, and this is a personal question, and I can go first if you want me to. But why do we care about using a grade methodology first? And then secondly, why do we care about evidence-based practices?
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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I totally agree with you. And actually, you were the first person that I, when I started reading some of your work, really brought, because yes, I'm a clinician. Yes, I'm a physician, but I'm very interested in in the impact of our choices from a nutritional aspect. I mean, that was my first love. And it was very fascinating to read some of your papers using grade analysis.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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And again, this grade system, which has been used by hundreds, if not thousands of people, but it was quite helpful. And it laid out a framework to help me personally evaluate evidence. And so I think that there's a ton of benefit from it. I don't know if there's something you want to add there.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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When you are thinking about the decision-making process, and we talked about meta-analysis, systematic reviews, are there ways that people could pick out what a good systematic review is?
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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Do you think that this, and again, this is more of a personal question in terms of your personal opinion. Do you think with the influx of information, I mean, you're very well trained. Do you think that there is benefits and challenges with all the information that has been coming out if we don't have a structured way of examining it? And I can ask that in a different way.
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Is there a way that someone could, well, I guess even to back it up, why does it matter so much to you?
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Truth About Nutrition: How You Can Take a Science-Based Approach | Bradley Johnston PhD
I think it's extraordinary. I think that, again, we often have scientists come on and discuss their randomized controlled trials and their mechanistic data. But what I think that you offer, which is absolutely extraordinary, is a way of thinking about something to get a particular answer. Whether one likes that answer or not, it allows us to our best capacity.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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That's quite fascinating. I don't think I've ever really thought about the tenants and how they would then apply, right? As a clinician, you think, here's a problem, here's the outcome. For example, we want to help you lose body fat or lower your blood pressure. We then go to, you know, for physicians in the U.S. or elsewhere, there's up-to-date.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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Number one, I am hoping, which I think you and I both agree, it is unifying. It is not divisive. It is a way of saying, okay, here are my biases. I think this nutrition plan works. is the best because I grew up on a farm or X, Y, and Z versus someone else grows up, I don't know, in New York City.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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That by creating a framework and an architecture, we can actually begin to have unified rather than divisive conversations, again, to set the framework for conversations to ultimately make good choices.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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Yeah. Is there and would you say that as people are going through grade and again, this is a framework for thinking about maybe thinking is not the right word, a grade work, a framework for evaluation work. Is there places where it is really excellent? For example, pharmacology or the questions that we are asking.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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So grade is exceptional at, and I'm just throwing this out there, evaluating if a statin is going to reduce all-cause mortality. Or grade is exceptional at determining, for example, I've had many patients ask me about rapamycin. And as I'm thinking about this, I'm thinking, okay, well, I can use and I understand that this is somewhat of a technical episode.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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So we'll probably follow it up with maybe taking someone through the process because I should go through this process myself as I'm looking at, for example, rapamycin and determining what is the best available evidence.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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Or nutrition. Is grade, you know, where can we think about where grade is excellent versus maybe it's excellent across the board?
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Which is a challenge all the time.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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And when you're reading the certainty of evidence from a translatable perspective, obviously you want it to be high or moderate. But is there a way that it balances out? And I don't know, maybe you have an exact example. And I have a handful of papers here.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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It would be a database that pulls together and utilizes... all the information out there and then provides processes, algorithms to then treat. I have two questions. I suppose the first one is, how did you become interested in that? Because you were interested in it before I think it was a thing. I don't exactly know how to put that in terms. Before it was something to be thought of.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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But if, for example, you ask a question and you've got the results based on grade, you have high certainty of evidence, and you're trying to go to an answer, does statins improve all-cause mortality? And then by what number?
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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If someone, if you are looking at the totality of evidence, because again, there's so much information out there for both clinicians, patients, armchair researchers, it's bananas, right? It's only followed in the bananas level of the amount of cartoons that are coming out. It is crazy. Yeah.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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Smoothie well, yeah. How would we, is there a formula for collectively understanding what that outcome is? So you've got some things that show evidence. The certainty of evidence is high, and then you have a handful of things that show the certainty of evidence is moderate to low. Is there a unifying formula to say, overall, based on all of the data, there is a moderate level of certainty that...
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Statin use decreases all-cause mortality by 18% as a main getup.
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Well, as I'm thinking about guidelines, right, as these guidelines are coming out, you know, it's challenging from my perspective. And I can just speak for myself. So I am thinking about the upcoming 2025 dietary guidelines, me personally. I issued a statement about my position on it. And I know that Dr. Donald Lehman and a handful of other people of my colleagues have issued these statements.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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And these guidelines will come out and there obviously will be various components to these guidelines, whether it's protein, whether it's dietary fat. How can we think about the certainty of evidence when something goes into a guideline? And it doesn't have to be the dietary guidelines, but basically because there is the, you said, the values and preferences. Right.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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So we have values and preferences. Am I a good student? Very good. So we have values and preferences. And then collaboratively, we get together or individuals get together to say, okay, these are the values and preferences. Based on this, the certainty of evidence for this recommendation, I'll say yes.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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For me, 0.8 grams per kg of dietary protein is, I don't know, the minimum amount to support healthy aging. That certainty of evidence could be, I don't know. Yeah.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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Could you give me an example that would that be like you should get a colonoscopy at age 50 or 45? Would that be, you know, I mean, I'm just making this up.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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Or something that you can think about that maybe is just... And so the reason I'm asking this question is because as we frequently have these very scientific conversations with various experts, this now provides, because you have agreed to be a guest, this now provides just a way of thinking about the framework differently. Right.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Truth About Nutrition: How You Can Take a Science-Based Approach | Bradley Johnston PhD
Meaning, are there certain things that we can evaluate that we definitely know that we should all be doing? Yeah.
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The Truth About Nutrition: How You Can Take a Science-Based Approach | Bradley Johnston PhD
And is there a unifying agreement? For example, is there a qualification that's something that is required for a strong recommendation?
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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It is. It's really fascinating. When someone is going through the process of understanding the evidence, are there things that potentially are. I don't want to say stupid. simple to understand, but this idea of randomized controlled trials. Could a, people will say the quality of evidence from a randomized controlled trial is the gold standard, right?
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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As we examine the quality of evidence and we discuss it by saying, you know, here is a randomized controlled trial. Here's a whatever cohort study or case control study. There is a variation. How about this?
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Truth About Nutrition: How You Can Take a Science-Based Approach | Bradley Johnston PhD
Is there a variation as to the quality, even if something is a randomized controlled trial, as we're examining the evidence, as we are trying to create a framework for men, women, and children that are listening to this, physicians that are listening to this? Is there a variation in the quality of what we consider, quote, high-quality data, like a randomized controlled trial?
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Truth About Nutrition: How You Can Take a Science-Based Approach | Bradley Johnston PhD
Wait, wait, what do you mean? What do you mean weak recommendation? Can you say that again? I just...
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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Also, that's after the dietary guidelines. They didn't even put, they implemented dietary guidelines in 1980. Yeah. Was it first? Yeah. Evidence-based practices then I suppose became something in 1990. That's wild.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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And I will say that I'm just looking at the history of the meta-analysis. The word meta-analysis was coined in 1976, right?
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Truth About Nutrition: How You Can Take a Science-Based Approach | Bradley Johnston PhD
Gene Glass, who stated meta-analyses refers to the analysis of analyses.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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Which I think the statement that you brought up about it's okay. There is, again, there's a lot of emotion involved with people's health. And maybe it's within all spaces. I'm just not sure. I mean, I don't know. Do people in physics argue about this kind of thing? I'm not entirely sure. Or maybe in electricity. I don't know.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Truth About Nutrition: How You Can Take a Science-Based Approach | Bradley Johnston PhD
But whether something is weak or strong, if there's a way to remove some of the emotion behind it, then it's okay if it's a weak recommendation and you choose to follow it.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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With almost 200 peer-reviewed papers, Dr. Johnston has been at the forefront of nutrition science who has tackled some of the most intense topics. His groundbreaking studies have sparked global debates and even challenged the advice from organizations like the World Health Organization. In this episode, we'll tackle how much influence we have over the dietary advice we're told to trust.
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You created a website. It's evidencebasednutrition.org. Can you tell me a little bit about it and why you created it? It's actually phenomenal. We'll put a link to it. But why did you create this and how can someone utilize this?
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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The home of evidence-based practices. Yeah.
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The Truth About Nutrition: How You Can Take a Science-Based Approach | Bradley Johnston PhD
Yeah, I saw that.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Truth About Nutrition: How You Can Take a Science-Based Approach | Bradley Johnston PhD
Yeah, I think that you're absolutely right. And it's the one thing that everybody does. We all eat. And just being able to understand and sift through the things that could potentially have high quality evidence, like probably eating fruits and vegetables. Maybe.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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I mean, this just highlights the complexity of the question. Do you think that it is more challenging to do nutritional research than maybe other domains of research? For example, you studied kinesiology.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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Or is it a challenging? Oh, my gosh. There was, again, you can only keep people in a metabolic ward for so long. Yes. We've done, at the University of Illinois, I did, where we fed them all their meals. We would pack everything, and they would show up. And expensive, too. Very expensive, yes. Yeah. Yeah.
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Yeah, I would love you to, please.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Truth About Nutrition: How You Can Take a Science-Based Approach | Bradley Johnston PhD
Was this the evidence-based practice competencies?
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Truth About Nutrition: How You Can Take a Science-Based Approach | Bradley Johnston PhD
One, I want to just repeat that there is one randomized control trial.
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The Truth About Nutrition: How You Can Take a Science-Based Approach | Bradley Johnston PhD
Is this with potassium chloride type?
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Truth About Nutrition: How You Can Take a Science-Based Approach | Bradley Johnston PhD
Yeah. Was it the exploration of the information that was so fascinating or was it potentially trying to come to a conclusion? What was the driver in the process of thinking in that very unique way?
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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And are some of the challenges getting, for example, students? You run a program at Texas A&M. Is part of the challenge getting students, people interested in, do you run a PhD program, master's program? Can you tell me a little bit about the program that you're running? Yeah, sure.
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Maybe you're going to be up for dean.
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Are there less of those individuals? Yes.
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The Truth About Nutrition: How You Can Take a Science-Based Approach | Bradley Johnston PhD
The next generation.
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The landscape seems to be changing in the way, and again, this is just from my perspective, that more people are moving towards various other avenues of exploration that maybe are moving a bit away from science and actually science. doing higher education. Again, I only hear this from my colleagues that it is more difficult to recruit students. It's more difficult.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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The interest in science, well, I think we're in a very privileged space where we are very interested in it. The listeners, and by the way, I love you guys. I do this because I believe so wholeheartedly that collectively we can make a difference. That, you know, people are going to various careers, being an Instagram star or just it's the landscape is changing. I think that the importance of...
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
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Very specific cognitive processes and rigor has changed. The importance of it seems to have changed. And, you know, you talk a little bit about, I've heard you refer to, quote, this kind of scientific mindset.
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Yeah. You know, I've never spoken about this before, but one of my goals this year is to create a a portion of what the podcast generates, a portion of, you know, eventually I would love to create a supplement. And these are things that I feel very passionate about, that we take a portion of that revenue and we put it back into evidence-based practices for research.
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So that is on the docket for... That'll be wonderful.
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So that is, you know, just I think as we do better and we build it, we educate the public, that should go back, funds should go back into research. So that, again, I've never talked about it, but it's something that I feel very passionate about because we do have to evolve it. Where do you think, if at all, do you think AI is going to be helpful in this landscape?
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Same. But it sounds also that we still need cognitive manpower, that computers or AI and some of this technology, we still require scholars, scholarly activity, critical thinking, and just ways to further advance the sciences. Yeah.
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Well, Dr. Bradley Johnston, I'm so grateful for you sharing your time and your wisdom. The work that you do is tremendous and it has been extraordinarily helpful for me and I know many of my colleagues and many others. So thank you so much for joining me.
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which would be a bit unusual in the way that when we think about guidelines, from my understanding, they, for example, the AUA, the American Urologic Association, they will have urologists that study sexual medicine or andrology that will then inform the guidelines. I had never quite thought about the individual's ability to think about the foundation, right?
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This is kind of the, I think maybe you called it the architecture of the study, which seems as if those are two very separate qualifications. Is that fair to say? Yeah.
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That must be challenging, slightly. You know, I had Dr. Kevin Mackey on, and Kevin Mackey, who is an epidemiologist by training. Do you know Dr. Mackey?
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I've not met him. I, in fact, believe you guys would get along quite well. Just a wonderful human. And he said when he was in his training, he is a former president of the American Lipid Association.
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And he said, I believed that cholesterol was going to be terrible. So he had come in with this preconceived notion that cholesterol was going to be very bad for an individual to eat. And when he did these rigorous evidence-based practices, I'm assuming, and if you're listening, Dr. Mackey, I'm holding your feet to the fire, but he said it was absolutely not what he thought. Mm-hmm. Right.
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At least that that's what that would represent to me, that there's this art of practice and this human dynamic. And then actually, because I personally would have thought it would be something else.
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If I was thinking about the guidelines for physical activity in overweight or obese children, as a parent, I would think, okay, well, I need them to be, I don't know, strong and an outcome of, I don't know, maybe I would think about their blood work or something like that. But maybe I wouldn't think about anxiety or something of that nature.
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How did you figure that out? I mean, because you were the only one, I'm assuming, that was willing to challenge that or to think outside the box in a way that perhaps this wasn't right.
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You are really, I don't even want to say the godfather of testosterone replacement therapy, but you are responsible for bringing testosterone replacement therapy to the modern world.
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And the reason I say that is not with every patient, but until it was proven otherwise.
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Do you think that, and this is a global statement, and partially I'm setting it up because I think I know your answer. Do you think that there is any, in any chronic disease state or for any reason that someone who has low testosterone from a safety perspective should not be given testosterone?
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Meaning did they have genetic disorders that make them hypercoagulable or cancer or something else?
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I think this is a really important conversation because I have one dear friend that I can think of right now that he would really benefit from testosterone replacement, very active individual. He's on the lower end and we should talk about what low is and the numbers and if you're 310 in the US versus 310 somewhere else, is it still low? But he is concerned about two things.
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He's, number one, concerned about safety, and number two, he's concerned what other people would think, that he is using it because they're worried about safety.
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And that just makes me think about the beginning of the conversation. When you went back to examine the data from, is it Hutchinson? Huggins. Huggins. Well, Hutchinson's next. Charles Huggins. Huggins.
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You went back and you looked at the original data that everyone had spent 40 years building upon. Can you share what that is? Because I know at the time we were talking last night at dinner, at the time we didn't have the Internet. So you actually had to go to the basement of Harvard to get this study. And I am just curious, as is the listener, what did it show?
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Not without recourse, though. It wasn't easy to get that published.
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You know, it's really tremendous. And number one, you went to Harvard, graduated from Harvard College, then went to Harvard Medical School, and then you completed your residency at the Harvard program in urology. Just tremendous. You are recognized as an international authority on men's health and a pioneer in testosterone replacement therapy, which...
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And everybody believed it. And everybody practiced based on it for 40 years.
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We have to pause there. Why we have to pause is the gravity of what you're saying. People have to understand. They were castrating men based on a belief from this individual who, again, is probably a phenomenal scientist. There were two viable patients in the study, maybe one viable because one was castrated. Only one. One viable patient. Yeah. Based on a way you guys were looking at this acid.
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Acid phosphatase, which now isn't even used, treated for 18 days with testosterone and changed the lives of millions.
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Millions of brothers, of fathers, of husbands.
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You know, we were all having dinner, you, your colleague, our colleague, Dr. Mochera, my husband, Shane Cronstead, who is also a urologist, go figure. And there aren't that many giants left. There is not a ton of innovation happening from the individual level. But you were brave enough to do that. Right.
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Do you think that this is a bigger conversation about blind spots and critical thinking? Yeah, it absolutely is.
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Why is that still happening? It's the same thing where someone says, don't eat eggs because they are... Raise your cholesterol. Raise your cholesterol. Yeah, which they don't.
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And you're not the first scientific expert that has said that.
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at a time when testosterone therapy, and I want to talk about the history, was really deemed dangerous. And that people were 100% sure that testosterone replacement therapy was going to give people prostate cancer. And you challenged that notion. Yeah.
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It's just so fascinating. And I think especially... You know, we all have bias. Right. Right. I believe that there's a certain way to stimulate muscle. And I believe that muscle is so important and how we're going to feed it and nutritional aspects of it. And it is a struggle to remain open minded about other input. But I'm well aware that there's multiple ways to get something done.
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If you show me well done, randomized control trials, great evidence, then I have to be willing to change my mind. You know, it brings me to testosterone, testosterone replacement. And there's a few things. There's incredible stigma now still. Would you agree with that? Which stigma? Just take out testosterone and prostate cancer. Take out testosterone and cardiovascular disease.
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If one were to just look at testosterone replacement in a man or a woman, People still feel like it's edgy. It's controversial. It's an anabolic, which it is. Why do you think that that is? And then, of course, I want to get into if someone has low testosterone, how do these numbers make sense? And how are they different here versus other places?
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I would love to hear that backstory and how many tomatoes were thrown at your face and how that you probably had three friends and one of those included a sibling and maybe a parent.
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Do you think it came from sport? Do you think it, because maybe potentially it got demonized from sport and anabolic use? Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Because what drug, we'll call it a drug, or naturally occurring hormone that one could give could affect bone, brain, heart...
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Everything. Nearly every organ system, yet it is not routine. You don't go into the hospital and it's not as if 50% of the hypogonadal or testosterone deficiency in men, it's being treated.
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I would love to chat with you about that. Let's define testosterone deficiency in terms of numbers and when one could consider treatment.
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Not defined on age. So Matt, my producer, could have 300, and my dad, Nate, could have 300, and let's say it's 310 for both of them.
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You have to say that because we've got to pause on that.
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But that's not the guideline.
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It doesn't. Right.
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According to the guidelines. And as physicians, we are taught to treat according to guidelines.
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What does that mean for the well-being of the patient?
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Is there a saturation point? So what I mean by that is, would there be any benefit from going if someone was taking 200 milligrams of testosterone up to 400? And we're not saying that we recommend that, but would it affect all tissues equally? And how do we think about is more better if we know testosterone is great? It's just in terms of a safety profile, if at all.
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So that's what's actually... It's a brain. Some of this is brain symptoms.
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But this is part of- And let's say a woman is listening for her husband and she's concerned that her husband is on testosterone or that he doesn't need it. We have to be able to rethink about these conversations because the ultimate outcome that we want is health and longevity.
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And muscle. Yep. Which is all part of the same, right? Exactly. Exactly. So what if someone isn't low and if we were to define, but let's say they are on the lower end, 350. Sure. If you increase someone's testosterone, I mean, you had mentioned that there might be brain effect at 400 or 500. Is there a number? Well, what happens if someone is not low? Or how would you define not low?
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And if you give them testosterone, what would happen?
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So what would that look like? Would that be a total testosterone of 5,000?
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That's fascinating. And I'm sure that there is a muscular potential for an individual and maybe one could only get so big or maybe if they use anabolics, then it would overcome that muscular potential. It would be really fascinating. In terms of free testosterone, that's what is that? I won't put words in your mouth. Is that what you care about more?
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How would, you know, this makes me think about women who go on birth control and increase SHBG irreversibly. How would, and perhaps it's different for men and women, how would they increase free testosterone?
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And when I asked about how to increase the free testosterone, would that be one would have to increase the dose? So if for some reason someone is on 150 milligrams a week of testosterone and the free testosterone is still in the lower range, you would have to increase to 200 or even potentially beyond that.
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Because oftentimes providers and the patients will become concerned that their total testosterone is outside of normal range, but their free testosterone is barely there. We're barely over the minimum.
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Testosterone does not make you... Does not.
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And I'm sure they shunned you, yeah?
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Do you think that that is the same? And I know you don't treat women, but do you think that that's also the same for women? Absolutely. Have you seen, obviously, I know the answer to this question, but I'm asking you, have you seen the transition of various types of testosterone delivery systems?
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From oral to gel to sub-Q injection. Do you think that there is one that is better? But before you answer that, I am curious. We have so much to talk about. I know, I know, I know. But testosterone in women.
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Do you think that it will have the same impact?
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Do you think that they have somewhat of a stigma because individuals experience it as kind of a turn and burn? It's just everyone's getting the same treatment. Do you think that that's where that comes from?
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Do you really? I know one, yes, absolutely, and an astronaut.
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And there's a need.
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If primary care physicians were to be treating these testosterone deficiencies in both men and women... It would stop. Then we wouldn't require more... I don't know, outside-the-box methods of delivering these medications. Exactly right. What's missing is what should be the normal response, right? It will be. I think that it will be.
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In the next 10 years, if individuals are likely not treated with hormone replacement therapy, then it's just... As they say, from your lips to God's ears. God, are you listening? I have a number of issues I'd like to take up with you. I'll do that later. I think it's really important. And in terms of, you know, I also selfishly wonder about women's levels. I think that men are really well studied.
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And we have a sense of what, I mean, and I don't know if there's a free testosterone that you think is optimal for a man, is there? As all the men pull up their labs, what would that be?
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And then women, I know you don't treat women. Women are, would they be one-tenth that?
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Seems like there's a robust amount of data during that. There's a period where there seems to be robust data.
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Yeah. Because of testosterone use, which can happen.
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It would just be used off-label.
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I have to pause you there because this is so important. Because basically what we're trying to do is break through the barrier to entry. And we cannot do that.
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as physicians to our patients or patients that are listening or individuals that are listening so that they can advocate for themselves, that just because something is deemed off-label doesn't necessarily mean that it is unsafe or that it's shoddy or that it shouldn't be used. Case in point, testosterone use
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In women.
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Which one of the treatments for... I'll ask you this. What is the treatment in women for hyposexual desire disorder?
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Do you think that if it were FDA approved for women, just your personal opinion, would it change things? Yeah, it would. It would. It would make it much easier.
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And to be clear, do you think, again, I know you don't treat women, do you think a free testosterone of 10 picograms per ml would be...
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The Science of Optimizing Your Testosterone | Abraham Morgentaler, MD
Or maybe on your show, The Sex Doctors. Yeah. He has a podcast. It's not a visual show, guys. Like, yes. I'm maybe your lovely wife.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Science of Optimizing Your Testosterone | Abraham Morgentaler, MD
The delivery mode for testosterone. So now we have Kisotrex and we just have various, you know, testosterone forms. I would love to hear your thoughts in terms of efficacy, what you prefer, what you've seen.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Science of Optimizing Your Testosterone | Abraham Morgentaler, MD
I read that the orals, there's maybe 20% are affected. Their fertility is affected maybe 20%, as opposed to almost all the individuals taking it.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Science of Optimizing Your Testosterone | Abraham Morgentaler, MD
You don't really worry about that?
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Science of Optimizing Your Testosterone | Abraham Morgentaler, MD
I am glad to hear you say that because I think that there's a lot of blood donations that happen. Right. And then people actually don't feel so great or become anemic. It's interesting, right? Yeah. Especially when we're talking about, like what you said, patients.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Science of Optimizing Your Testosterone | Abraham Morgentaler, MD
Yes. And it's a challenge because I'm curious as to how those at altitude, if they get treated or not. Right.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Science of Optimizing Your Testosterone | Abraham Morgentaler, MD
And then what about women? Is there a number for women for hematocrit above?
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Science of Optimizing Your Testosterone | Abraham Morgentaler, MD
I mean, there's a lot of myths. I think that we have covered a tremendous amount of myths. And the biggest myths that create a barrier to entry for people because of misinformation. Yeah. You also wrote a book, and I want you to mention the book because I would love for the listener to get it. I expect to sign a copy. How did I not bring one for you? Exactly.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Science of Optimizing Your Testosterone | Abraham Morgentaler, MD
Tell me about your book, the name, where we can find it. Yeah.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Science of Optimizing Your Testosterone | Abraham Morgentaler, MD
I think that that's tremendous. I think that's a tremendous statement and true. So Dr. Abe Morgenthaler, thank you so much for being generous with your time and your knowledge. I have just a world of respect for you, and I'm so grateful that you are here and that you're here to share with the world. So thank you.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Science of Optimizing Your Testosterone | Abraham Morgentaler, MD
Did anyone think to challenge that? Because one doesn't necessarily equal the other. You remove the testicles, you drop their testosterone to what, zero?
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Science of Optimizing Your Testosterone | Abraham Morgentaler, MD
And is that how they would find prostate cancer?
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Science of Optimizing Your Testosterone | Abraham Morgentaler, MD
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The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Science of Optimizing Your Testosterone | Abraham Morgentaler, MD
For 40 years, men were castrated, not given testosterone because of a few innovators. I have a question for you. Yeah. That seems extreme. So my question is, you know, just fast forwarding, thinking about, you know, I've been in practice since I've been a physician since 2006. Yeah.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Science of Optimizing Your Testosterone | Abraham Morgentaler, MD
That would be very extreme for an individual, no matter what their specialty is, to make a significant change, like castrate an individual where there has to be. some kind of reasoning where we know without a shadow of a doubt, perhaps that what you're going to do is absolutely going to benefit the patient because there's no reversing that.
The Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show
The Science of Optimizing Your Testosterone | Abraham Morgentaler, MD
Meaning they gave estrogen or blocked it?