Dave Davies

Right. I believe Elon Musk's phrase was, I just put AID in the wood chipper. Let's look at some other policy areas. One is in the environment and climate change. You write in your book that Project 2025's discussion of environmental issues and energy production feels like a dispatch from an alternate world. What do you mean?

Does it try and refute climate science or argue that it's political propaganda?

Does it try and refute climate science or argue that it's political propaganda?

Does it try and refute climate science or argue that it's political propaganda?

Does the project share Trump's hatred of wind power?

Does the project share Trump's hatred of wind power?

Does the project share Trump's hatred of wind power?

I mean what did the research show about the problem with the Texas blackout?

I mean what did the research show about the problem with the Texas blackout?

I mean what did the research show about the problem with the Texas blackout?

You know, I'm wondering how the leaders of Project 2025 view its impact on the administration. It kind of seems as if the administration has adopted its efforts to expand the power of the executive branch in very aggressive ways and its advocacy of a tough immigration crackdown. But a lot of the other policy programs are kind of not really embraced, are they?

You know, I'm wondering how the leaders of Project 2025 view its impact on the administration. It kind of seems as if the administration has adopted its efforts to expand the power of the executive branch in very aggressive ways and its advocacy of a tough immigration crackdown. But a lot of the other policy programs are kind of not really embraced, are they?

You know, I'm wondering how the leaders of Project 2025 view its impact on the administration. It kind of seems as if the administration has adopted its efforts to expand the power of the executive branch in very aggressive ways and its advocacy of a tough immigration crackdown. But a lot of the other policy programs are kind of not really embraced, are they?

Yeah. So what is the Heritage Foundation up to in the coming years? What's next?

Yeah. So what is the Heritage Foundation up to in the coming years? What's next?

Yeah. So what is the Heritage Foundation up to in the coming years? What's next?

Well, David Graham, thank you so much for speaking with us.

Well, David Graham, thank you so much for speaking with us.

Well, David Graham, thank you so much for speaking with us.

David Graham is a staff writer for The Atlantic. His new book is The Project, How Project 2025 is Reshaping America. Coming up, David Bianculli reviews a new PBS documentary about the history and impact of our public library system and its many opponents and controversies. This is Fresh Air.