Dave Davies

All right, let's take another break here, then we'll talk some more. We are speaking with David Graham. He's a staff writer for The Atlantic. His new book is The Project, How Project 2025 is Reshaping America. He'll be back to talk more after this short break. I'm Dave Davies, and this is Fresh Air. On NPR's through line.

You write that the number one priority of Project 2025 is to restore the family as the centerpiece of American life and protect our children. As I mentioned in the introduction, you say this is a vision of an avowedly Christian nation but one that kind of resembles the 1950s while fathers work and moms stay at home with larger families.

You write that the number one priority of Project 2025 is to restore the family as the centerpiece of American life and protect our children. As I mentioned in the introduction, you say this is a vision of an avowedly Christian nation but one that kind of resembles the 1950s while fathers work and moms stay at home with larger families.

You write that the number one priority of Project 2025 is to restore the family as the centerpiece of American life and protect our children. As I mentioned in the introduction, you say this is a vision of an avowedly Christian nation but one that kind of resembles the 1950s while fathers work and moms stay at home with larger families.

How does the project suggest moving the country in this direction?

How does the project suggest moving the country in this direction?

How does the project suggest moving the country in this direction?

Right. I mean, you mentioned that they would want these government agencies to track data on, for example, for folks who receive temporary assistance to needy families, what people typically call welfare, which families are married, which ones aren't, and how they do. The Labor Department is supposed to produce monthly data on the state of the American family.

Right. I mean, you mentioned that they would want these government agencies to track data on, for example, for folks who receive temporary assistance to needy families, what people typically call welfare, which families are married, which ones aren't, and how they do. The Labor Department is supposed to produce monthly data on the state of the American family.

Right. I mean, you mentioned that they would want these government agencies to track data on, for example, for folks who receive temporary assistance to needy families, what people typically call welfare, which families are married, which ones aren't, and how they do. The Labor Department is supposed to produce monthly data on the state of the American family.

And you mentioned school performance would be tracked and measured against the family structure? Right. Did I get that right? Local school boards typically do that, right? I mean they don't do that. I mean the local school boards govern education. But the idea was that the – that what? The Department of Education would make local school boards do this or what?

And you mentioned school performance would be tracked and measured against the family structure? Right. Did I get that right? Local school boards typically do that, right? I mean they don't do that. I mean the local school boards govern education. But the idea was that the – that what? The Department of Education would make local school boards do this or what?

And you mentioned school performance would be tracked and measured against the family structure? Right. Did I get that right? Local school boards typically do that, right? I mean they don't do that. I mean the local school boards govern education. But the idea was that the – that what? The Department of Education would make local school boards do this or what?

Yeah. How do you push people in that direction? Is that clear?

Yeah. How do you push people in that direction? Is that clear?

Yeah. How do you push people in that direction? Is that clear?

Another proposal is having the Department of Health and Human Services enlist churches and faith-based organizations in providing guidance for low-income fathers.

Another proposal is having the Department of Health and Human Services enlist churches and faith-based organizations in providing guidance for low-income fathers.

Another proposal is having the Department of Health and Human Services enlist churches and faith-based organizations in providing guidance for low-income fathers.

What's an example of the coercive force of government employed here?