Daryl Davis

And then in 2020 –

I had a gig up in New York City, and they booked me and said, you know, talk about how you meet these people and what you all talk about and what they think about this.

I said, well, wait a minute.

I can tell you about how I meet them and how I go about it, but as far as what they think about stuff, I can tell you, but that will be secondhand.

I say, if you want, I can bring people, because every now and then I bring a former Klansman that I took out of the movement or whatever to talk, you know, answer questions.

I say, well, how about if I just bring somebody?

You know, whoa, you know, we got to clear that with the sponsors or whoever.

So they got back to me and said, yeah, you know, who do you want to bring?

I said, well, you know, let me give you some options or whatever.

So I called Jeff.

I said, you know, would you be willing to come out and talk about, you know, your experiences, what got you in, what got you out, et cetera?

And he said, yeah.

So I called him back and said, okay, I got this guy.

He was the commander of the largest neo-Nazi organization in the country for 25 years.

He was a 27 year member.

And they said, OK, fine.

So I called Jeff back and said, OK, you're on, man.

They're going to fly you out to New York and you'll come on.

And this is the first time we'd ever done anything together like that, where we both are on the same page.

Right.