Danielle Kurtzleben
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NPR News: 04-09-2025 8AM EDT
There were several days there where you'd have one administration official saying these tariffs are not negotiable, that they're going to stick around a while. And then you'd have another official saying Trump was open to negotiation. Yesterday, the White House seemed to have settled on the idea that, yes, these tariffs are negotiable.
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They've said that about 70 countries have reached out for some sort of talks.
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There's a pretty unusual dynamic hanging over this speech. This Congress, which is narrowly controlled by Republicans, they have been remarkably acquiescent. to Trump's norm-shattering moves. And that acquiescence has come even as Trump has consolidated wide-ranging governmental powers into the executive branch, including powers that Congress historically has had, things like imposing tariffs.
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A White House spokesperson said that around 20 boxes were returned. Reporters traveling with the president on Friday saw the boxes in the back of a van pulled up to Air Force One as it was loading. The White House did not say, however, what exactly was in the boxes. The FBI investigation resulted in 37 felony counts against Trump related to allegedly mishandling documents.
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Special Prosecutor Jack Smith requested the case be dismissed after November's election, saying the Justice Department cannot prosecute a sitting president. In a social media post, Trump said the boxes, quote, will someday be part of the Trump Presidential Library. Danielle Kurtzleben, NPR News, West Palm Beach, Florida.
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One order directs agencies to find ways to increase lumber production. Another directs the Secretary of Commerce to investigate possible lumber tariffs. The White House says the goal is to reduce the cost of building housing. Tariffs are taxes American businesses pay to import products from abroad. Trump has also threatened tariffs on an array of other goods and countries.
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Canada accounts for around 40% of American lumber imports, by far the largest of any country. Trump has also threatened blanket 25 percent tariffs on Canada as well as Mexico, saying those could take effect as early as March 4th. Danielle Kurtzleben, NPR News, West Palm Beach, Florida.
The NPR Politics Podcast
McConnell Announces His Retirement And Trump Signs Another Executive Order
Well, even if you don't know what an independent agency is, you probably have interacted with one in some way. Let's start with that basic fact. There is, for example, the FDIC, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation that insures your bank deposits in the U.S.,
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McConnell Announces His Retirement And Trump Signs Another Executive Order
There's the Consumer Product Safety Commission, which issues those recalls on products you see when you see that some baby crib is determined not to be safe. That's the CPSC that puts that out. They underpin so many areas of American life. Now, what these all have in common, there's no set legal definition for them, but they were set up by Congress to be insulated in some way from the presidency.
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McConnell Announces His Retirement And Trump Signs Another Executive Order
The leaders, for example, can't be fired for political reasons. A president can only fire one by law for doing something really wrong, like misconduct. They're often headed by boards or commissions of people with staggered terms. The idea there is that no president can totally change the leadership, him or herself. And they don't have to submit new regulations to the White House.
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McConnell Announces His Retirement And Trump Signs Another Executive Order
When the DOD comes up with a new regulation, they have to submit it. These agencies don't. But this new executive order would change that part in particular.
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McConnell Announces His Retirement And Trump Signs Another Executive Order
Well, in short, this order really rips out that insulation I talked about that these agencies have tended to have from the president. So let me make up a very simple hypothetical. The FCC, the Federal Communications Commission, has a new regulation about what words you can and can't say on television or the radio. They haven't had to run that by the White House so far. Well, now they would.
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McConnell Announces His Retirement And Trump Signs Another Executive Order
But there are a couple other related things this order would do. It says each agency has to have a White House liaison. what they do has to be consistent with White House policy and that the Office of Management and Budget Director, a guy named Russell Vogt under Donald Trump, he has power over their apportionments, over their money, so he can adjust what they have and how they spend it.
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McConnell Announces His Retirement And Trump Signs Another Executive Order
quote, to advance the president's policies and priorities. So this gives the president so much power with these agencies. I do want to add one important thing here, though. The Federal Reserve Board of Governors and the Federal Open Market Committee, both at the Fed, the central bank, they are exempted from this.
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McConnell Announces His Retirement And Trump Signs Another Executive Order
The Fed's independence has long been seen as a fundamental part of the way that it stabilizes the economy.
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McConnell Announces His Retirement And Trump Signs Another Executive Order
I mean, there is definitely the fact that Donald Trump in his first term very much sought to have as much presidential power as possible. So, I mean, the fact that he broadly wants to expand the power of the presidency, yeah, we kind of knew that. But this in particular... He never, on the campaign trail that I heard and I went to a lot of his events, said anything about independent agencies.
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McConnell Announces His Retirement And Trump Signs Another Executive Order
But there's another move he has made this year, which is he has fired the heads of some of these agencies, commissioners at like the National Labor Relations Board, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. That is something that presidents just haven't done. Like I've said, the idea is a president shouldn't be able to fire those people for political purposes.
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McConnell Announces His Retirement And Trump Signs Another Executive Order
That goes hand in hand with what he is doing here, claiming this power. And the idea of claiming power over these agencies and being able to fire those heads, that is in Project 2025, that conservative blueprint for government.
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McConnell Announces His Retirement And Trump Signs Another Executive Order
And Russell Vogt, the head of OMB that I mentioned, who's in charge of all of this, after Donald Trump was elected, very much said, hey, independent agencies ain't going to be independent.
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McConnell Announces His Retirement And Trump Signs Another Executive Order
I was asking a legal scholar as I was reporting on this, OK, let's say I am the head of the FCC, the Federal Communications Commission, and I don't want to do what Trump has told me to do in this order. Can I take this to court? Is that how this could reach the Supreme Court? And he said, well... He doesn't know of how that would work in terms of me being able to take that to court.
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McConnell Announces His Retirement And Trump Signs Another Executive Order
But either way, under this president, this particular president, if I don't want to do what he tells me, he's going to fire me. Right. And he has already shown that he will fire the heads of these agencies. And at that point, I might sue and say that my termination was unlawful. The thing is, that has already happened.
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McConnell Announces His Retirement And Trump Signs Another Executive Order
We've had a commissioner, for example, from the National Labor Relations Board who has who is suing and saying, you can't fire me, but you just did. when those cases, should they, and I want to stress should, make it to the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court will have the opportunity to clarify what they think about the independence of these agencies.
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McConnell Announces His Retirement And Trump Signs Another Executive Order
But as Mara just said, this particular Supreme Court has proven itself very willing in the last few years to chip away at that independence via a whole range of rulings.
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Trump's 'Liberation Day', Wisconsin Supreme Court Race, Mistaken Deportation
Well, we know Trump's going to lay them out at a big Rose Garden event at 4 p.m. Eastern, but his team has given few details on this. He and his advisers, in fact, were still working on the tariffs yesterday, which is itself notable. I mean, this is a potentially sweeping trade policy that has not been clearly communicated yet.
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Trump's 'Liberation Day', Wisconsin Supreme Court Race, Mistaken Deportation
But as for what he's announcing, these are what he's been calling reciprocal tariffs, which he has said could apply to many different items and all countries. And he's long described them as mirroring other countries' tariffs. So give us an example there. Sure. So this week, White House Press Secretary Caroline Leavitt showed reporters a graphic of all kinds of tariffs on U.S. goods.
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Trump's 'Liberation Day', Wisconsin Supreme Court Race, Mistaken Deportation
And one example was Mexico's 150 percent tariff on American alcohol. So a reciprocal tariff in this example could be the U.S. imposing a 150 percent tariff on Mexican alcohol. Now, again, I want to stress this is just a hypothetical I'm giving. But in this example, that would mean U.S. importers would pay a 150 percent tax to bring that alcohol into the country.
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Trump's 'Liberation Day', Wisconsin Supreme Court Race, Mistaken Deportation
And in most cases, we could expect American businesses to either eat that cost or pass it on to consumers. OK, so that sounds like it could get pretty expensive. Yeah, it could. And stock markets and consumers are taking Trump seriously on this. Consumer confidence and stock indexes have been plummeting as reciprocal tariff day has grown closer.
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Trump's 'Liberation Day', Wisconsin Supreme Court Race, Mistaken Deportation
And amid that, Trump seems to have softened on this idea of equal tariffs. Here he was talking to reporters this week.
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Trump's 'Liberation Day', Wisconsin Supreme Court Race, Mistaken Deportation
And yesterday, Levitt also said different countries have been lobbying the president's team. Trump has left the door open to exceptions, but he has also said he doesn't want many.
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Trump's 'Liberation Day', Wisconsin Supreme Court Race, Mistaken Deportation
Well, we have some broad ideas. One is that they'll lead to higher prices. The Yale Budget Lab did one hypothetical modeling of what these tariffs could look like, finding that in the short run, they'd cost the average household around $3,000 a year. And those costs, by the way, would hit lower income households harder than higher income.
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Trump's 'Liberation Day', Wisconsin Supreme Court Race, Mistaken Deportation
Well, the Trump administration says this is about fairness and also about creating manufacturing jobs. That's what Trump ran on. And a lot of his base is in blue collar jobs like manufacturing. And some manufacturers could be helped by the tariffs. I mean, if goods from other countries get more expensive, it would mean people in the U.S. would buy more goods made in the U.S. But some U.S.
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manufacturers will also pay more for materials, which could offset whatever benefits they might see from the tariffs. And there's one more economic risk, and that's that other countries see this and then they retaliate with their own tariffs. And farmers would be a likely target there. So there's a real risk here for Trump.
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Trump's 'Liberation Day', Wisconsin Supreme Court Race, Mistaken Deportation
He has acknowledged that these tariffs could cause short-term pain, and that means voters could easily in the future pin any weakness from the economy on him.
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Trump's 'Liberation Day', Wisconsin Supreme Court Race, Mistaken Deportation
Thank you.
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Jordan's King In Washington, New Tariffs, NYC Mayor's Corruption Charges
Well, American importers will now be paying a 25 percent tax on steel and aluminum, and that makes these tariffs a lot like some you might remember him imposing during his first term, except this time the aluminum rate is higher. It was 10 percent back then.
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Jordan's King In Washington, New Tariffs, NYC Mayor's Corruption Charges
In doing this, the administration has stressed they're trying to use these tariffs to stick it to China, which is the world's biggest steel exporter. Now, the U.S. doesn't actually get much steel or aluminum directly from China, but the White House argues that Chinese steel makes it into the U.S. by being sold through other countries.
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Jordan's King In Washington, New Tariffs, NYC Mayor's Corruption Charges
Well, the U.S. gets by far the most of its aluminum imports from Canada, according to data compiled by Reuters. And on steel, Canada is also first. And there are other allies on that list, like Mexico and South Korea. You might notice that in all those countries I mentioned, Canada and Mexico feature prominently.
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Jordan's King In Washington, New Tariffs, NYC Mayor's Corruption Charges
Trump had recently threatened tariffs on them and then paused them at the last minute. Well, with this new announcement, he's putting tariffs on those two countries anyway, just not on all of their goods. And that gets to one really important thing about these tariffs. There are no exceptions to these. And that's different from Trump's tariffs last time around.
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Jordan's King In Washington, New Tariffs, NYC Mayor's Corruption Charges
It's also different from how Biden treated tariffs. Both of them had carve outs on tariffs for some allies, but not now.
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Jordan's King In Washington, New Tariffs, NYC Mayor's Corruption Charges
Well, in the near term, this should be good for American steel and aluminum companies because tariffs raise the price of steel and aluminum and they protect against some foreign competition. And markets seemed to think so yesterday. Shares of Alcoa, an American aluminum company, and U.S. steel were both up. But that doesn't mean this is great for the rest of the economy.
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Jordan's King In Washington, New Tariffs, NYC Mayor's Corruption Charges
I talked to Gary Huffbauer, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics. He told me that industries that use those metals, like aircraft and auto manufacturing, also bridge construction, those could lose jobs.
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Jordan's King In Washington, New Tariffs, NYC Mayor's Corruption Charges
He's saying there that not only would prices be higher for steel and aluminum, but other countries are likely to hit back and tariff American exports, which will hurt these companies.
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Jordan's King In Washington, New Tariffs, NYC Mayor's Corruption Charges
Well, it's unclear, but he's dribbled out a bit of information. He has said he'll be announcing what he calls reciprocal tariffs. The idea there seems to be that whatever tariff a foreign country has put on a U.S. good, he wants to impose it back in return. He also said yesterday that he'll be considering tariffs on cars, pharmaceuticals, semiconductors.
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Jordan's King In Washington, New Tariffs, NYC Mayor's Corruption Charges
But it was unclear whether those are separate from the reciprocal tariffs. And this is one constant feature of how Trump does tariff policy. There's often not an orderly rollout. We really just don't know what's coming until he says it. I'm PR's Danielle Kurtzleben.
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Ukraine Funds Paused, Trump Addresses Congress, Tariffs Begin
Not a lot. We know broad strokes, but the White House hasn't given reporters the kind of preview information that they often do ahead of these speeches. Now, they have said the theme is the renewal of the American dream. And one thing you can definitely expect is to hear Trump talk about what he counts as his accomplishments.
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Ukraine Funds Paused, Trump Addresses Congress, Tariffs Begin
For example, the steps he's taken in the past six weeks to get rid of Joe Biden's policies and also just to do what Trump told his base he would do during the campaign. Now, a lot of those moves are aggressive, to put it mildly, and there are things that are being challenged in the courts.
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Ukraine Funds Paused, Trump Addresses Congress, Tariffs Begin
So moving immigrants to Guantanamo Bay, diminishing transgender people's rights, and not to mention bringing on an unelected billionaire, Elon Musk, to gut federal agencies.
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Ukraine Funds Paused, Trump Addresses Congress, Tariffs Begin
Yes, we do know he's going to ask Congress to spend more money on border security. We also expect him to ask for another top legislative priority, which is extending tax cuts passed in his first term. But one thing that I would add is there's a pretty unusual dynamic hanging over this speech. This Congress, which is narrowly controlled by Republicans, they have been remarkably acquiescent.
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Ukraine Funds Paused, Trump Addresses Congress, Tariffs Begin
to Trump's norm-shattering moves. And that acquiescence has come even as Trump has consolidated wide-ranging governmental powers into the executive branch, including powers that Congress historically has had, things like imposing tariffs.
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Ukraine Funds Paused, Trump Addresses Congress, Tariffs Begin
Well, he has said he will be talking about that proposal under which the U.S. would get some revenue from Ukraine's mineral resources. It's part of how Trump wants to broker a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia, that mineral deal. Now, a reporter asked Trump yesterday if the mineral deal is dead after that fight, and Trump seemed to leave the door open.
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Ukraine Funds Paused, Trump Addresses Congress, Tariffs Begin
Now, he has also said he's been talking to European leaders, and it does sound like we'll hear more about this tonight. Now, Democrats, for their part, their response to the speech will be from Michigan Senator Alyssa Slotkin, who worked at the CIA prior to holding office, and she's been attacking Trump on Ukraine a lot in recent weeks.
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Ukraine Funds Paused, Trump Addresses Congress, Tariffs Begin
Well, you'll see Democrats continuing to try to figure out how to respond to Trump, and this will be an opportunity to do that. They'll have guests like fired federal workers and Medicaid recipients, the latter presumably to highlight the possibility that Republicans cut that program.
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Ukraine Funds Paused, Trump Addresses Congress, Tariffs Begin
Now, President Trump, we don't know who his guests are yet, but Melania Trump will have a guest who was a victim of revenge porn, and that's part of the First Lady's push to combat that type of online abuse.
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Myanmar Quake, Who Pays Tariffs, E.O. Impacts On Arts
Sure. So let's use a concrete example. Let's say an American airplane manufacturer is importing aluminum from Canada. So that aluminum arrives at a U.S. port and there the manufacturer or a broker representing them pays that 25 percent tariff to U.S. Customs and Border Protection. So in other words, a company in America is handing that money over.
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Myanmar Quake, Who Pays Tariffs, E.O. Impacts On Arts
It's not the Canadian company selling the goods and it's certainly not Canada.
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Myanmar Quake, Who Pays Tariffs, E.O. Impacts On Arts
Right. And White House officials argue that foreign companies end up eating the cost of tariffs by lowering their prices. I recently asked Kevin Hassett, he's one of the president's top economic advisors, why that would be true. He told me that he expects foreign companies will lower their prices to compensate for the tariffs.
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Myanmar Quake, Who Pays Tariffs, E.O. Impacts On Arts
That would mean that the foreign companies' profits would go down, but prices wouldn't change for American importers or consumers.
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Myanmar Quake, Who Pays Tariffs, E.O. Impacts On Arts
No, at least not based on evidence from Trump's first term. I called an economist at Columbia University, David Weinstein, who studied Trump's first-term tariffs on China.
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Myanmar Quake, Who Pays Tariffs, E.O. Impacts On Arts
And other studies have also shown that American businesses and consumers largely paid Trump's first-term tariffs. Now, the White House has stood by its claims that foreign companies will eat the cost of these tariffs. But I've asked the White House for data backing that up, and I haven't received any.
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Myanmar Quake, Who Pays Tariffs, E.O. Impacts On Arts
Well, he's been asked about it at a press conference last month. A reporter asked him directly why he believes foreign governments are paying tariffs. Trump did not answer directly, but he argued the economy was fine in his first term when he imposed the tariffs.
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Myanmar Quake, Who Pays Tariffs, E.O. Impacts On Arts
And again, I've asked the White House for a more direct answer on this, and I haven't received a response.
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Myanmar Quake, Who Pays Tariffs, E.O. Impacts On Arts
Well, they certainly can. There's evidence showing that Chinese manufacturing declined after Trump's first term tariffs on them. And you can see Canada right now loudly protesting the tariffs Trump is putting in place on autos, on steel and aluminum and other goods. In fact, ads have popped up in multiple U.S.
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Myanmar Quake, Who Pays Tariffs, E.O. Impacts On Arts
states recently, ads funded by the Canadian government, telling Americans that tariffs are a tax. So Canada clearly doesn't like this policy. The White House, meanwhile, is arguing that Trump's tariffs are going to boost U.S. manufacturing, bringing factories back to the U.S. Now, it is not clear that that's going to work. But even if it did, the point here is that tariffs involve tradeoffs.
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Myanmar Quake, Who Pays Tariffs, E.O. Impacts On Arts
Higher prices are just one of the economic problems that tariffs can cause. And there are also non-economic tradeoffs, like worse relationships with foreign countries.
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Inauguration Day, Israel-Hamas Ceasefire, TikTok
Yeah, well, it's a full day of activities, and I'll mention just some of them. Following a service at St. John's Church, which is right next to the White House, the Bidens welcome the Trumps to the White House. And then midday, there's that official swearing-in ceremony. And again, like you said, it's in the Capitol because it's chilly outside today here in Washington.
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Many supporters, however, will be watching that live stream in Capitol One Arena downtown, again, because of the cold. Then after that, Trump has a ceremony midday that could involve signing executive orders. And then in the afternoon, the inaugural parade has also been moved to the arena, which is where last night's rally was also held.
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So all that time spent cheering in an arena, it's really going to maybe fittingly feel like a lot of time at a traditional Trump rally.
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Inauguration Day, Israel-Hamas Ceasefire, TikTok
Well, there is very much this pervasive feeling that the underdogs had won. That's definitely the story that a lot of speakers told, at least. It was celebratory, but also in very Trumpian fashion, there was a lot of focus on how the MAGA movement has a lot of enemies, as they said, and needs to keep fighting them.
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And supporters outside told me that this win just feels bigger right now than the win in 2016 because they think they have more of America behind them. This time, after all, Trump did win the popular vote, unlike in 2016. Now here is Cindy Pugh. I spoke with her as she stood in line. She came to D.C. from her home in the Minneapolis suburbs.
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Inauguration Day, Israel-Hamas Ceasefire, TikTok
Yeah quite a few. I mean there was billionaire SpaceX founder Elon Musk. He gave an impromptu speech. Political commentator Megyn Kelly really stood out. She gave this very harsh speech that insulted Democrats and their famous supporters. She insulted Vice President Kamala Harris herself. And besides all of that in his speech, Trump called out cabinet members he's picked.
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The crowd had big cheers, especially for Pete Hegseth, who is the defense nominee, who was questioned at his hearing recently about allegations of drinking in the job and sexual misconduct. Hegseth has denied all of those.
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Well, he's talked about doing a lot of executive orders. For example, he talked about carrying out mass deportations. And he also talked about pardoning people convicted of their actions during the January 6th riot four years ago.