Craig Melvin

And, you know, he said to me, I think it was off camera. It's not in the episode, but he said to me, he's like, when I die, in my obit, this will be included. It'll be the, the husband of the ex-husband. And that's, I mean, and think about, I mean, that's just a, you know, and, and, and his, his new wife, God bless her. You know, Tiffany has been there.

And, you know, he said to me, I think it was off camera. It's not in the episode, but he said to me, he's like, when I die, in my obit, this will be included. It'll be the, the husband of the ex-husband. And that's, I mean, and think about, I mean, that's just a, you know, and, and, and his, his new wife, God bless her. You know, Tiffany has been there.

They got married in 2003, but she was there with him during all of this, during the search, during the trial, they went on, they had a child together, Savannah, she's 24 now. But she, she spent a fair amount of time talking about, How, for a very long time, she could not pull him out of what had to be the darkest of days.

They got married in 2003, but she was there with him during all of this, during the search, during the trial, they went on, they had a child together, Savannah, she's 24 now. But she, she spent a fair amount of time talking about, How, for a very long time, she could not pull him out of what had to be the darkest of days.

She talks about this period where he didn't really trust her, you know, because if this woman that he had known for all these years and had gotten married to, if she would do something so unspeakable. Someone he completely trusted. Correct. I really, there are a couple of times, he gets choked up, I get choked up.

She talks about this period where he didn't really trust her, you know, because if this woman that he had known for all these years and had gotten married to, if she would do something so unspeakable. Someone he completely trusted. Correct. I really, there are a couple of times, he gets choked up, I get choked up.

What moved me the most, Mank, was he said to me, and it was one of those things where I don't know if he meant to say it, but after he said it, it stayed with me. He said one of the biggest problems now is 30 years later, he has a hard time remembering. The boys. And when he talked about it with his therapist early on, the therapist explained it away.

What moved me the most, Mank, was he said to me, and it was one of those things where I don't know if he meant to say it, but after he said it, it stayed with me. He said one of the biggest problems now is 30 years later, he has a hard time remembering. The boys. And when he talked about it with his therapist early on, the therapist explained it away.

The mind, in an attempt to protect itself, will guard you from certain memories because that'll just, you know, prolong the trauma. And the therapist was basically like, you'll get the memories back. You'll get the memories back. And he said, Craig... The memories haven't come back. That saddened him to his soul.

The mind, in an attempt to protect itself, will guard you from certain memories because that'll just, you know, prolong the trauma. And the therapist was basically like, you'll get the memories back. You'll get the memories back. And he said, Craig... The memories haven't come back. That saddened him to his soul.

And you could tell that of all of the things that he wishes he could change, I think he just wishes that he had more memories of the boys.

And you could tell that of all of the things that he wishes he could change, I think he just wishes that he had more memories of the boys.

No. Pretty clearly. And that's the thing. You know, he points out every two years this could happen. Every two years she comes up for parole and she'll make her case every two years.

No. Pretty clearly. And that's the thing. You know, he points out every two years this could happen. Every two years she comes up for parole and she'll make her case every two years.

And he knows that. And that's why he told me, and his new wife, they'll be there every two years. You know, the parole board, by the way, parole board in South Carolina, you'd be hard pressed to find a more conservative parole board. Like, you don't, you commit a crime like this in South Carolina, you Good luck ever getting out. We sat down with her lawyer, David Brock.

And he knows that. And that's why he told me, and his new wife, they'll be there every two years. You know, the parole board, by the way, parole board in South Carolina, you'd be hard pressed to find a more conservative parole board. Like, you don't, you commit a crime like this in South Carolina, you Good luck ever getting out. We sat down with her lawyer, David Brock.

And he's never talked about this. No, no. Yeah. No, he never has. And by the way, David Brock also, you know, represents the Charleston shirt shooter. I mean, he's spent a lot of his time representing... Extremely unpopular defendants. Yes, that was a very diplomatic way of saying what I was thinking, but yes. And he sees it as a duty. And I said, David, should she be pro? He said, well, yeah.

And he's never talked about this. No, no. Yeah. No, he never has. And by the way, David Brock also, you know, represents the Charleston shirt shooter. I mean, he's spent a lot of his time representing... Extremely unpopular defendants. Yes, that was a very diplomatic way of saying what I was thinking, but yes. And he sees it as a duty. And I said, David, should she be pro? He said, well, yeah.

I said, well, has she been rehabilitated? And he maintains that she has. But his larger point was she's not going to get out of prison at 60 years old and go find two more kids to kill. He maintains that she's paid her debt for the murders and she doesn't pose a threat to society.

I said, well, has she been rehabilitated? And he maintains that she has. But his larger point was she's not going to get out of prison at 60 years old and go find two more kids to kill. He maintains that she's paid her debt for the murders and she doesn't pose a threat to society.