Craig Melvin

That's one of my favorite parts of the episode is the police start working together and they give her the polygraph. We know how it turns out. And then you've got Pete Logan. who, by the way, fun fact, worked on the Kennedy assassination back in the day. But Pete Logan is this renowned polygraph expert. They bring him in, and he decides to work with Sheriff Wells to extract this confession.

That's one of my favorite parts of the episode is the police start working together and they give her the polygraph. We know how it turns out. And then you've got Pete Logan. who, by the way, fun fact, worked on the Kennedy assassination back in the day. But Pete Logan is this renowned polygraph expert. They bring him in, and he decides to work with Sheriff Wells to extract this confession.

And it works beautifully. It really did. But to your point, though, Mang, you're right. I mean, this was before... We lived in a time of ubiquitous surveillance. There's no social media, no phone record, like there's no cell phone towers that we can check.

And it works beautifully. It really did. But to your point, though, Mang, you're right. I mean, this was before... We lived in a time of ubiquitous surveillance. There's no social media, no phone record, like there's no cell phone towers that we can check.

Yeah, I would agree with you. And it was interesting to me just hearing her voice on those tapes.

Yeah, I would agree with you. And it was interesting to me just hearing her voice on those tapes.

Funny you should bring that up. I put that question to Tommy Pope, who was the chief prosecutor in the case at the time. And Tommy said that of all the lies she told, that was one that stood out the most because when she showed up at the front door of that woman's house, she was knocking on the door. She was bone dry. If she had been in the water...

Funny you should bring that up. I put that question to Tommy Pope, who was the chief prosecutor in the case at the time. And Tommy said that of all the lies she told, that was one that stood out the most because when she showed up at the front door of that woman's house, she was knocking on the door. She was bone dry. If she had been in the water...

There would be some, even at that point, there would be some evidence that she was in the water. And for him, that made it even more appalling.

There would be some, even at that point, there would be some evidence that she was in the water. And for him, that made it even more appalling.

Oh, no question. No question. These letters have never been shared. And you get a unique insight into what she was thinking then, what she thinks now. And I know you find this to be true with a lot of killers. There is this... clear detachment from reality that still very much exists in the letters. And I found that strange. Right.

Oh, no question. No question. These letters have never been shared. And you get a unique insight into what she was thinking then, what she thinks now. And I know you find this to be true with a lot of killers. There is this... clear detachment from reality that still very much exists in the letters. And I found that strange. Right.

No, in part because of not wanting to give air to Susan Smith. No, in fact, this was the first time he talked about it on national television. I mean, he runs SLED now, South Carolina Law Enforcement Division. We actually talked to him during the Murdoch trial, which he had also not talked about before. But during this particular case, Chief Keel, he was in law school at the time.

No, in part because of not wanting to give air to Susan Smith. No, in fact, this was the first time he talked about it on national television. I mean, he runs SLED now, South Carolina Law Enforcement Division. We actually talked to him during the Murdoch trial, which he had also not talked about before. But during this particular case, Chief Keel, he was in law school at the time.

but he was also an amateur pilot and he was part of the search team. So he would go to class. In fact, he talked about at one point, he skipped some class to go search for these two little boys or that black guy from the sketch. And this is for him as well. This is one of those stories that really has always stayed with him. And he was there at the parole hearing in November and,

but he was also an amateur pilot and he was part of the search team. So he would go to class. In fact, he talked about at one point, he skipped some class to go search for these two little boys or that black guy from the sketch. And this is for him as well. This is one of those stories that really has always stayed with him. And he was there at the parole hearing in November and,

Which he never does.

Which he never does.

What do you remember about the emotions of members of law enforcement back then after we found out that you had an effect?

What do you remember about the emotions of members of law enforcement back then after we found out that you had an effect?