Conservative Speaker 3

100%.

Do you want to hear more about why? Sure, yeah, go ahead.

First off, I would like to say that your question I think is worded very, uh, How do I put it?

Anti. Okay, so could you tell me what it means by against it? Like, could you give me an example of legislation that is anti-Christian that is also anti-LGBTQ?

I do not believe so. But they do. So looking at Christianity, because you're the one who brought it up, in Matthew 18, 6, Christ says, if any of you causes one of these little ones to stumble, it is better that a millstone is tied around your neck and you drown in the depths of the ocean.

Not that they should be, but it's better off that they would be.

So how are they gay then?

So it's like in their genetics, essentially. Yeah. Okay, so how could you spread the genes of being gay if you're gay? Like, I'm straight because my dad and my mom are straight.

Okay, so the only thing that we're born with, essentially, is going to be our genetic code, which our parents passed down from us. And then after that, we have a blank slate of mind. And whatever is put into that blank slate of mind will alter our personality. personality and our person. So you're right. There is no gay gene because it's non-existent. It's an inferior genetic.

You cannot pass down the genetics of being gay if you're gay, which is why I believe that people are being groomed to become gay, whether it happens when they're two years old, 10 years old, 13 years old, whether it's from the LGBTQ agenda, which I believe you and your allies are pushing, or if it's- Who are my allies? Who are your allies?

I mean, I'm not very familiar with your work, but I understand that you are an LGBTQ activist. So I would say your allies are people who align with your values, at least a 90% overlap.

So how are these school boards attacking children in Florida?

I would like to hear your claim on this.

Okay, so LGBTQ stuff, which includes being gay, which is a sexuality, which is sexual.

Well, being gay is being homosexual, which is a sexual thing. That is erotica. because you're talking about sexual things.

Okay, so really you're trying to claim that gay pride prides were not inherently sexual. Okay, let's pause there.

You've been voted out.

Okay. I understand what you're saying. For the sake of the argument, I would say that I agree to an extent, right? Love that. Obviously, it depends on what we're, what's grooming, right? Well, let's define grooming.

So typically in, I mean, most political circles, right, they would say grooming is any kind of act that kind of leads to like a sexual act. That's sexual grooming.

But I would say that grooming is not intrinsic or exclusive to the political right, right? Grooming is... No, it's not.

Democrats do it.

Republicans do it, right?

Yes. But my point is, is that for the sake of argument, I would say I agree. But I kind of reject the initial premise because... And even this ties into your previous point, because I think what you're actually trying to say is that the agenda that LGBT activists- There is no agenda. Everyone has an agenda. It doesn't matter.

Well, if you're an organized group, you have an agenda.

Okay. Well, for the sake of argument, let's just say every group has some kind of focus and things they're trying to accomplish, right? That's not exclusive to one party. Sure. But the reason I think what you're trying to say is that LGBT groups aren't the issue. Gun violence, stuff like that is the issue.

But the reason why I kind of reject that premise is because when it comes to a lot of these medical conversations we have, there is actually no medical consensus. There is a medical consensus.

How many doctors are in the AMA? If you have doctors who disagree, that by definition means there's no medical consensus. Also, when you have instances like Have you heard about the... There was a $10 million NIH-funded study led by, I believe her name was Dr. Johanna. Yes. And she did a study and found that there were no... Not no, but there weren't as much... mental health benefits.

All right. So my claim is Xander, correct? Yeah. Okay. My claim is Xander and LGBTQ plus people have a fundamental misunderstanding of Christianity.

Okay, so back when you were talking earlier, a lot of presuppositions. So you made the claim that you were a Christian. I am also a Bible-believing Jesus follower. Contrary to popular belief, the Bible says, once you claim to be a Christian, it's free game as far as like judgment. So if I'm a Christian, like people can judge me. I can judge you.

Like it's like non-believers, pagans, not really concerned about them. But if you're a Christian, there is certain standards. So we kind of made a lot of claims, especially,

in the totality of our conversation as far as like, okay, medical consensus, we kind of like, we're throwing out specific terms, but when it comes to the Christian faith, when it comes to the Christian religion, there is a, I mean, depending if you're Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant, there is a centralized authority.

Okay, sure. But the thing is, when you have conversations, we have doctors in various groups who don't. There is no such thing as consensus when it comes to science.

There is historical, biblical, traditional teachings, things that have been practiced and understood for 2000s, thousands of years, right? So when it comes to things like progressive ideologies, specifically what we're seeing in the 21st century, a lot of progressive Christian beliefs are very specific political beliefs. They're not faith beliefs, they're political beliefs.

Other Christians.

He says you will know them by their fruit.

You're saying a lot of presuppositions. And you're saying a lot of things that, like, back when you were making the claim, right, when everyone was bringing up different studies and things that were happening, you were saying that's fundamentally not true. The things that you're saying right now are fundamentally not true, specifically because of what it's written in Scripture, right?

So there's people who, like, I'm not going to get into the debate of, like, sola scriptura and whether or not, like, Christians only look at the text or tradition, stuff like that.

But the point I'm making, so again, the reason why I said fundamental misunderstanding is because when it comes to reading the text and understanding the text, there's no form of like exegesis. There's no form of understanding context. There's no form of looking at the text and saying, hey, what is actually happening here?

All it takes is one person in the corner of the world going like, I don't like French fries, and suddenly French fries aren't popular. The issue that conservatives have is the gaslighting. When you say things like, it's not happening, it's not happening, it's not happening, because that is fundamentally not true, and you can't have conversations with people.

They'll throw the Bible verse on there. And I said it less pretty, but that's exactly what it says. I'll give you one example based off a point I believe you're trying to make. So when the Bible talks about don't judge others when you have a plank in your eye, you're looking at the speck in your brother's eye when you have a plank in your eye. That's not saying that you cannot judge.

It's saying that when you do judge, make sure that you are holding yourself to a specific standard, right? We read it in Timothy and James when it talks about holding yourself to a certain standard as an elder and being in the church.

You're vehemently misquoting Christ.

Yes.

Who fundamentally pushed for better positions for women? Good Christians. Christians, yes, historically, right?

What does it mean to be a Christian? What is a Christian?

Yes.

Okay, so I would say that is a very watered down understanding of what love is.

So love in my, and I've actually been thinking about this, Love is the obligation to encourage others to pursue a life that will abundantly reconcile them with God.

See, again, you're misunderstanding. Marriage is a specific institution that God put in place as an example for our heavenly marriage to him, to Christ. That is the purpose of marriage.

Today it's perverted. People marry for love, people marry for very superficial things.

I would say for power. People in the past married for power. Marriage is a power play.

Sure. And historically, right? And in the Bible. Yes. So again, my point is there's a fundamental misunderstanding of the text because you said Christianity means to love. People always say things like, oh, the greatest commandment is to love. Again, when I talk about context, the greatest commandment is love in the context of the 10 commandments.

So in that conversation where they're talking about the 10 commandments, the 10 commandments is, first of all, the 10 commandments is a summary of like more than 600 laws, right?

No, no, no. man's understanding is not, and that's why Christ came and corrected us. So my point is, the context of the 10 commandments, right, is in the context of there was more than 600 laws, it boiled it down to 10, and then Jesus boiled it down to two, which people like to quote, love your neighbor. The first is actually love the Lord your God, right? In the context of the 10 commandments.

It is my theological opinion that the greatest commandment is when God says, be holy, for I am holy.

The reason why is because, again, my point is the fundamental misunderstanding of Christianity. Your position is that Christianity means that come as you are, stay as you are. That is fundamentally not true. I didn't say that. You are saying it because—

So you agree with my point when I said that your understanding of love is to affirm. That is not a biblical definition of love.

I'm saying that if a Christian believes that if I have a child and I believe that child is made in the image of God and God made them male or God made them female, And then someone comes along and says that they're not male or they're not female. That is contrary. It comes as a divide between what God intended.

I'm not talking about their relationship with God. So you brought up sex workers, right? The adulterous woman comes. The Pharisees brought the adulterous woman to Jesus and said, we caught her in the act, right? Some people say, how did the Pharisees catch her in the act, right? It's like, what were they doing? Shady.

Jesus, in his proper context of love, criticized them, says he without sin cast the first stone.

This is why I think it's a fundamental misunderstanding. And this isn't just a progressive LGBT issue. I think there are people in general who have a misunderstanding of what Christianity is about. Christianity isn't good guys and bad guys.

Christianity is we're all bad guys. We're all bad guys. We're all imperfect. No, we're all fundamentally sinful. It's not we're imperfect. We are all fundamentally in sin.

We are bad in the context of we are not God. So the way I kind of define sin, it's not a matter of you did this, you did that. Sin basically means to miss the mark, right? It means that God is the standard and we will never meet that standard. So to me, sin simply means I am not God and I'm not capable of being God. And because I'm not God, I am not holy.

And because of that, the Bible says I'm born into sin, right? So when I say fundamental misunderstanding of Christianity, when it comes to specifically progressives, LGBT groups, is that they think it's like, okay, yeah, we're imperfect, right? But it's more of a Gnostic understanding.

It's like, well, we strive each day and as we gain more knowledge, as we read more studies, we'll somehow attain some kind of like, understand that we'll get closer to God.

The Bible literally says what the fruit of the Spirit is.

Jesus says, if you love me, you will keep my commandments, right? And you will know them by their fruit. The fruit of the Spirit is a myriad of things. And Jesus Christ himself. And there's one fruit of the Spirit. I like to call it the forgotten fruit of the Spirit. It's the last one mentioned. It's self-control.

Because the issue is that when you have other medical groups, I think you referenced the American Psychological Association.

It's self-control. It means that in this imperfect world, we're going to have struggles. If in the context of LGBT people, that is their struggle, and the fruit of the spirit is self-control.

Yeah, yes. And pediatric. Even they have said that when it comes to gender-affirming care, a lot of kids, when they go through adolescence, when they go through puberty, no longer have that same gender dysphoria. And it goes back to my- Do you know why? But hold on, hold on, hold on. Okay, let's pause. You've been voted out by the majority. I appreciate you.