Carl Cannon
Appearances
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About SCOTUS and Trump, EPA Fraud Uncovered, and Tariff Drama, with Lee Zeldin, Tom Bevan, and Carl Cannon | Ep. 1045
Good to be with you, Megan. Well, you did Albany Law School proud, I'll tell you that.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About SCOTUS and Trump, EPA Fraud Uncovered, and Tariff Drama, with Lee Zeldin, Tom Bevan, and Carl Cannon | Ep. 1045
Yeah, Tom went to Princeton. He got it. I went to the University of Colorado. I got about half of it. Actually, Megan, I cover I cover the courts for many years and you did a good job. Sunrise. You did.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About SCOTUS and Trump, EPA Fraud Uncovered, and Tariff Drama, with Lee Zeldin, Tom Bevan, and Carl Cannon | Ep. 1045
Well, his name was Garcia. It is Garcia, actually. And that's not the reason. No, but your analogy. Look, he lived in this case. Let's talk about the politics of it for a second. We'll get back to the legal of it. He's a dad of three, lives in Silver Spring, not Silver Spring, in Prince George's County, in a house. You can look it up with Zillow. You can find out where he lives. His wife works.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About SCOTUS and Trump, EPA Fraud Uncovered, and Tariff Drama, with Lee Zeldin, Tom Bevan, and Carl Cannon | Ep. 1045
He's got three children. The youngest is five years old and is a nonverbal autistic child. He's apparently working. It doesn't sound like he was really in any gang. He was... And I'm not sure I'm also I'm skeptical, as you are, that his life was threatened. I'm also skeptical. He was an MS-13, which the government keeps saying without any evidence whatsoever.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About SCOTUS and Trump, EPA Fraud Uncovered, and Tariff Drama, with Lee Zeldin, Tom Bevan, and Carl Cannon | Ep. 1045
This was in 2019. Well, there was one person alleged he denied it. It wasn't a hearing. As you point out, these immigration courts don't have, they're not set up, you know, guilt or innocence beyond a reasonable doubt. Right. But but but look, I'm talking about the politics of it, though. Here's a guy taking care of his kid. He's picked up.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About SCOTUS and Trump, EPA Fraud Uncovered, and Tariff Drama, with Lee Zeldin, Tom Bevan, and Carl Cannon | Ep. 1045
He's got this Biden administration did nothing for four years now. Maybe he should have paid closer attention to the election campaign as it was unfolding. But he's there running an errand and suddenly he's in El Salvador in prison. And yes, they can deport him to El Salvador, but he's never even been charged with a crime.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About SCOTUS and Trump, EPA Fraud Uncovered, and Tariff Drama, with Lee Zeldin, Tom Bevan, and Carl Cannon | Ep. 1045
And whatever the government wants to say, and the Justice Department lawyers have been a little bit, they've not quite known what to say. And one of them was removed for not being a passionate advocate. They first said it was an administrative error. Then they said they couldn't do anything about it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About SCOTUS and Trump, EPA Fraud Uncovered, and Tariff Drama, with Lee Zeldin, Tom Bevan, and Carl Cannon | Ep. 1045
His lawyer says, well, they couldn't do anything about it, but they didn't try to do anything about it. The idea that because of the United States law enforcement, he's in a prison, a person in prison who's never even been charged with a crime, I think it makes Americans very uncomfortable. It makes me uncomfortable. And could he have been deported? Yeah, but he wasn't just deported.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About SCOTUS and Trump, EPA Fraud Uncovered, and Tariff Drama, with Lee Zeldin, Tom Bevan, and Carl Cannon | Ep. 1045
He was sent to prison, straight from the streets of Maryland to a maximum security prison in El Salvador. It seems Kafkaesque.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About SCOTUS and Trump, EPA Fraud Uncovered, and Tariff Drama, with Lee Zeldin, Tom Bevan, and Carl Cannon | Ep. 1045
Oh, that's Kilmar Garcia. He's right on the cusp. I think he came here like 10 years ago, 2016. So he's he's he's close. If they let him alone for another six months, he'd have been he'd have been safe in the pool.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About SCOTUS and Trump, EPA Fraud Uncovered, and Tariff Drama, with Lee Zeldin, Tom Bevan, and Carl Cannon | Ep. 1045
No, you're not wrong. But Kristi Noem has a recent history of being very bad at public relations. I happen to know some. I have an inside knowledge about this. You know, she that thing that she put in her book about shooting dogs or her dog. Yeah, yeah. Well, she put that in her first book. which came out a few years ago, but the editors there took it out. They said, what is wrong with you?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About SCOTUS and Trump, EPA Fraud Uncovered, and Tariff Drama, with Lee Zeldin, Tom Bevan, and Carl Cannon | Ep. 1045
We're not putting that in your book about shooting dogs. But what happened was that editor left and she went back to the same publishing house. It was now run by kind of younger people and they didn't stand up to her. And she saw the opportunity. She said, ah, I'm going to put that back in. Boy, that belongs in my book. So let's just say public relations is not her natural forte. Yeah.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About SCOTUS and Trump, EPA Fraud Uncovered, and Tariff Drama, with Lee Zeldin, Tom Bevan, and Carl Cannon | Ep. 1045
At least it's not pointed as a dog, compatriot.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About SCOTUS and Trump, EPA Fraud Uncovered, and Tariff Drama, with Lee Zeldin, Tom Bevan, and Carl Cannon | Ep. 1045
Well, that's what I hate to keep harping on poor Abrego Garcia, but that's the White House press secretary accused him of engaging in human trafficking. He was never, that just came out of nowhere. This seems to be a go-to phrase for them because they think people hear it and go, well, gosh, yeah. Shoot him. Don't even send him. Don't even send him to El Salvador.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About SCOTUS and Trump, EPA Fraud Uncovered, and Tariff Drama, with Lee Zeldin, Tom Bevan, and Carl Cannon | Ep. 1045
You know, human trafficking, murderers. But to your point, in all seriousness, she should use very precise language. They should be careful about the law. And she she she shouldn't even be standing over the gun. She should she should be doing what you said, Megan. I guess I'd nominate you for the job right now. Could you take her job?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About SCOTUS and Trump, EPA Fraud Uncovered, and Tariff Drama, with Lee Zeldin, Tom Bevan, and Carl Cannon | Ep. 1045
Wait, wait, wait, wait. If you take that job and would you, and you have to give up this podcast, would you, you'll come on our podcast?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About SCOTUS and Trump, EPA Fraud Uncovered, and Tariff Drama, with Lee Zeldin, Tom Bevan, and Carl Cannon | Ep. 1045
I will come on your podcast. Okay.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About SCOTUS and Trump, EPA Fraud Uncovered, and Tariff Drama, with Lee Zeldin, Tom Bevan, and Carl Cannon | Ep. 1045
Well, the president hasn't made it very clear on what a country would have to do to avoid tariffs. And I think this is picking up what Tom was saying. You know, he said he seems to think that if there's a trade imbalance with the United States, that's de facto evidence that they've been cheating. And it might be that or it might be that they just make a product we want or whatever.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About SCOTUS and Trump, EPA Fraud Uncovered, and Tariff Drama, with Lee Zeldin, Tom Bevan, and Carl Cannon | Ep. 1045
We don't export to that particular country. I think he should give an Oval Office address to explain his rationale, walk through what he hopes to gain by this, what countries can do to avoid tariffs, and what his philosophy is on free trade versus fair trade. I would listen to that speech.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About SCOTUS and Trump, EPA Fraud Uncovered, and Tariff Drama, with Lee Zeldin, Tom Bevan, and Carl Cannon | Ep. 1045
I would be very curious because he's made all these statements and he hasn't put it together in a coherent policy.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About SCOTUS and Trump, EPA Fraud Uncovered, and Tariff Drama, with Lee Zeldin, Tom Bevan, and Carl Cannon | Ep. 1045
Well, what Kevin O'Leary said, this theft of intellectual property has been a problem for 20 years. It's under-reported, under-discussed. Everybody, people I know in business, I used to cover the Silicon Valley when I first came to Washington, San Jose Mercury was my home.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About SCOTUS and Trump, EPA Fraud Uncovered, and Tariff Drama, with Lee Zeldin, Tom Bevan, and Carl Cannon | Ep. 1045
paper and this is what he said is literally true that companies go there they um american companies the the innovation is stolen and then sold back to us you know and we're supposed to think that that's okay because china has you know a billion people and it was poorer than us and they're trying to catch up well i think they've caught up and They should be made to pay by the rules.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Truth About SCOTUS and Trump, EPA Fraud Uncovered, and Tariff Drama, with Lee Zeldin, Tom Bevan, and Carl Cannon | Ep. 1045
This is what I was saying before. This is the kind of thing Donald Trump ought to talk about. He had to leave Canada out of the discussion. And, you know, if Vietnam wants our help, you know, you got to figure a way to work with them. And I think a focus on cheating, on dishonest business practice, I think that's a winning argument. And I think it's a truthful and effective argument.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
We are not claiming that because we're conceding that there could be an inappropriate case. Only a class, only by a class. Can I hear the rest of his answer? A Rule 23 class action. And then the more fundamental point as to all those Supreme Court decisions you referred to. So what do we do temporarily?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
Temporarily, the court may issue the lower courts may issue injunctions that remediate the injuries to the plaintiffs that appear before them.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
We believe that the best reading of that is what you said in Trump against Hawaii, which is that Wurtz in 1963 was really the first universal injunction. There's a dispute about Perkins against Lukens Oil going back to 1940. And of course, we point to the court's opinion that reversed that universal injunction issued by the D.C. Circuit and said it's profoundly wrong.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
So when the court is considered to address this, it is consistently said you have to limit the remedy to the plaintiffs of appearing in court and complaining of that remedy.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
That's exactly correct. And in fact, those are very limited, very rare. Even in the 1960s, it really exploded in 2007. In our petition in Summers against Earth Island Institute, we pointed out that the Ninth Circuit had started doing this in a whole bunch of cases involving environmental claims.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
Well, Elena Kagan said an interesting thing. I was listening to the oral arguments. You can't watch it, but you can listen, right? On C-SPAN. Yeah. And she said, well, she said, well, this executive order, and she's talking about Trump rescinding birthright citizenship. She said, it's just wrong. It's unconstitutional. She sort of said it like she thought the other justices would agree with it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
That's an obvious thing. And then she said, so what's our remedy? So what she's trying to do is remind the judge's Mr. Ryan, her colleagues, probably the two you mentioned, Megan, this is not just about it's not a law school exercise. It's just not about all these, you know, Democratic judges around the country doing various things to thwart Trump. It's about this case, birthright citizenship.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
And what what else can the court what else can these courts do but just issue an injunction? So she was trying to get them back in. on what she thinks is a safer ground for the liberal bloc, which is this birthright citizen question, and away from what we're talking about.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
I thought that I was struck by that and remarked about it on our podcast. It's a nice start. But, you know, that's a clip from CNN. Megan, you said he's gotten tough press coverage, but he's gotten really lovely press coverage on CNN. They've been very respectful of Jake, very solicitous.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
Oh, good. Yeah, listen, you want to say better late than never, but that's probably not good enough either. There are journalists, Jake Tapper was one of them, who attacked other journalists who wrote about Biden's mental state. And I think in the reckoning of this, We have to ask some questions. And the basic questions are twofold.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
Why did the hierarchy of the Democratic Party and this cabal of White House aides, we're talking about dozens and dozens of people, maybe hundreds, think that this was okay to present the president as a person they knew that wasn't realistic? And the second thing is, and this is what you're getting to, Megan, why did the media go along with it? How did they rationalize so much of the media?
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
How did they rationalize it to themselves? You know, and what and what are they going to do better going forward? The Wall Street Journal wrote before that debate a story about Joe Biden's diminished capacity was attacked from like the paper was attacked from the white podium by the White House press secretary. You remember this, Megan? And we've talked about on our show.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
What are they saying about that now? And they ought to be they ought to be required to answer this on the record.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
That's right. But at least but it was before the debate.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
Right. It was June. And all these questions. But earlier in June, the debate was also in June. All these questions afterwards. Kamala Harris was never asked even after President Biden pulled out of the race and wasn't run. She was never asked the question.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
We the three of us would scratch our heads because the question you want to ask is, Madam Vice President, are you really telling the American people that you saw something on June 27th that you had never seen before? And this was the kind. So this this cover up existed, continued even after President Biden pulled out of the campaign.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
Well, that's why you want for real history to have name sources. And then you want to talk to, you know, if you're doing a real history of this and not a quick book, and I'm not trying to criticize these guys. They're not really writing history. They're writing kind of the first draft of this revisionism.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
You talk to everybody in the room, and I don't know if George Clinton was the source or not, but is this guy really trying to say that Biden's fine? Because that's not, I don't think people, I don't think that's sustainable.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
You can't get rid of a president because he didn't recognize a movie star.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
Can we go back to that stutter thing for a minute? Yeah. Do you remember this cropped up, you know, when he was in national office? I covered this guy back in the Senate. He spoke, he'd give Fidel Castro-length speech. I once had a lunch with him and he spoke for 35 minutes without even breathing. I never heard this stutter thing until recently.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
And then it was, it was, it was sort of offered up as his excuse. And then, well, he had, he would have a cold. They said in the debate, he was still tired from an overseas trip that happened three weeks earlier.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
They just kept coming up with these new excuses. And I mean, to step back a minute from that George Clooney anecdote, what you expect from a press corps is to be more skeptical. And they weren't. And so Tapper's blowing the whistle on that. And as you point out, he's blowing the whistle on himself, too. So maybe all these vignettes aren't perfect.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
And I would have liked to see on the record sources. But let's take a step back. You had a president who was compromised and a political party that decided to hide that fact and a mainstream media that went along with it. That's the big story here. And I guess I'm glad Jake Tapper wrote this book.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
That's what Tom's been saying.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
I think that, I think that what Andy said is right and mild. I don't think it's silly. I think it's ugly. This, this character attacking these people, they, they let in about 50 people or so. That's how many, uh, white farmers are killed every year on their own in their own houses. Um, in this campaign to terrorize them. And so they want to come here to be safe.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
And you let in, in the previous administration, four or five million people who are economic refugees, but not refugees in the sense that the law envisions. And these people are. They're afraid for their own safety. And there are rallies, you can find them on YouTube, of South African, a political party calling to kill the Boers. That's what these Afrikaners are called. And these are white people.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
Some woman was on the... MSNBC, who used to work in the Bonn administration, said, yeah, they should go back where they came from to Germany. Well, of course, they didn't come from Germany. They came from Holland about 350 years ago. Most of the Afrikaners came to South Africa, you know, 10 generations ago or something. They came before the United States was a country.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
This has been their country and they're being they're afraid for their safety. Appropriating land is just one aspect of it, Megan. There are calls for them every day at rallies to be murdered. And many of them are being murdered. And I just I hope I hope a prominent Democrat steps forward and sort of puts an end to this because it's it's it's disgusting and vile.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
Racism is always ugly, no matter who's doing it.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
Anyone? Well, you know, how about this? This contract with Boeing was in 2018 when he was president the first time, Megan. I guess let's go back to first principles. How come this iconic American company can't produce one plane in seven years? I know.
The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Appeal to Working Class, and Michelle Obama's Wild Marriage Rule, with Sean O'Brien and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 1073
Look, taking this plane as a gift is absurd, but I kind of get Trump's frustration. Where's the plane? Where's the new Air Force One? Trump's the only president in history that his plane that he was using before... Air Force One is a step down from that.