Antonio Gracias
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You know, the way this out, this is a very, it's massively complex, you can see the map I have on the whiteboard in our office, it's huge. And we're figuring it out right now. But let me just tell you this. And every benefit program we looked at, and this is just a handful of states, we found people on all the benefit programs. And we found them on unemployment. We found them on Medicaid.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
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So adjacent to your point, people on Medicaid and unemployment, they're not contributing. They're taking out. They're mooching. There are criminals. I mean, look, we sent this data list to the National Targeting Center.
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And I don't want to get too far into the data, but I can tell you they found hard hits in the Targeting Center of very bad people, criminals and people on the terrorist watch list that are in this group. And so, yeah, I mean, it's a problem, we got to figure out how to deal with it. And the, of course, there are people that are also, you know, have jobs and paying the system.
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That's, you know, that's, that's also true. All these things are true. And we're trying to sort the data and figure out how to actually deal with it.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
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So the chart that they're using, and you can see this, I posted something on X about this. It was apples to oranges. You can see it here. They took a chart that included all enumerations of not the EBE program, the Enumeration Boundary Entry Program. All enumerations, they compare it to our chart.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
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Yeah, I mean, so those people would be in our data too, but just enumerated beyond entry. The data on the left of 2020 with the big bars, that includes people in the offices, that includes people who got, they got service care numbers because they went to a consulate and like you probably did, applied ahead of time before they came in, you know, those kinds of people.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
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Yeah. And what they did is they took our data. So this was, you know, look, I don't want to impute negative motives. They just maybe were confused. They took our data. And they added the total data, right? This is just subsection. This is EB. And I'm just going to use acronyms. Okay, guys, this is EB only. Enumeration beyond entry, which is a program, as I said, started in 2017.
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And then it kind of ramped up into 19. They took our data and then they added the total data before that, right? That is apples to oranges. That's why it doesn't work. And I went through a whole analysis of this. The first person that posted the chart actually deleted it and sent me a post saying, hey, I'm deleting it because I get it, you're right, and apologized and asked me some questions.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
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I don't want to get into it. You guys know I don't post a lot on X. I don't want to get into basic people. It's not worth it. The data speaks for itself.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
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Look, you guys know me. You know me for a long time. This is not political, man.
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I'm still doing my day job too, man. This is a seven day a week, six days an hour a day job because I'm trying to do both. I've got some great partners that are covering it for me and my firm has been tremendous in allowing me to do this. But no, I'm still trying to do both.
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I was a Democrat for 20 years. I mean, I, you know, I knocked on doors for really good in Iowa. I was, you know, from Illinois. And look, I've got lots of good friends who are Democrats. And when I explain the state of them, they're as shocked as I am. I don't believe this.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
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Yes.
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No, the New York Times, they wrote a story about me going to SSA, which is sort of New York Times style. Not right, but I had been there. Yeah, I was out of Woodland, Maryland.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
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And Jason, I had asked myself this question, and I think we got to follow the truth. And that's the point, follow the truth. And the truth is in the data. And as Ben said, the numbers don't lie, right? And so people are productive. We got to find a way to allow them to be productive and stay. People that are taking the system should not be allowed to stay.
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And, you know, I think I don't want to get into the policy at all because it's above my pay grade. I mean, the reality is for me, my remit is, as Ben said, it's criminals, terrorists, and then people mooching off the system. And then, you know, a political question needs to be answered about what happens to the rest of those people. I don't know. It's not my remit. But I will say this.
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I think that all my friends who are still Democrats that I have been able to explain this data to, they all say the same thing you guys are saying. Man, this is a problem. We've got to figure this out. And let me tell you why. The bigger problem, the biggest problem here, I mean, it definitely is taking off the system.
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Close enough for hand grenades.
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But you've got to realize we gave $13 to $15 billion a year to human traffickers. That's what the system did. And the money magnet that attracted these people here, it wasn't like it was some crisis, you know, environmental crisis. The money magnet attracted these people, and many of them died on the way up. I mean, think about what that's like. Think about the human crisis.
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Everyone is. Every American is. Look, man, this turned my stomach when I went to the border and I heard the stories. It turned my stomach, man. We are America, okay? We protect people like this. We don't give incentives to people to pay traffickers. If you pay $20,000, I heard $20,000 to $500 just across the border, $20,000.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
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I mean, where does someone who's coming from Central America or Africa get $20,000 to pay the traffickers that are walking them across the border? It's not free to walk up Mexico, okay? It's controlled by the cartels. What happens? I mean, they got to pay that back. How do they pay it back? They're basically indentured servants. This is terrible. This isn't what we do in this country, right?
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This country is about freedom and we are here to protect it. We protect it around the world, protect it in our home country. And I don't think any American that I know, none of Democrats, Republicans, or anyone thinks this is good. It's not good. It's bad for America and it's evil behavior. We shouldn't send it. We shouldn't, we shouldn't give people a reason to do it.
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We should find legal ways to become the country. And I think that's how we come together.
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Look, as I go through the data and I see it's all about the data. OK, David, I know you love the data. When you, just in a handful of states, man, I'm talking about four states, we looked at the voter rolls, we found these people, thousands of them on the voter rolls, and we found many of those people had voted, right? In one state in particular, well over a thousand voted.
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Yeah, I think this was a move to import voters.
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Look, Ben, I'll tell you what I have seen. I'll tell you the actual information. If you look at Social Security Administration, we set all the defaults to kind of max open, no ID requirements, right? You get a social security number before we got here by walking in an office, answering with a medical record and a school ID that had your name and your date of birth on it. That's it. Okay.
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We opened up. We set the defaults to open on Social Security. We set the defaults to open on pay, paying people out. And we set the collection defaults basically to zero. So that's how the system looks. I'm just reporting the facts. Do I think that the average person is a Democrat in Illinois or, you know, the guys I knew out of Chicago, they know this? They don't know this. They don't know this.
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Interesting question. And by the way, it's great to see you guys, man. Thanks for having me on. I can use your laughs. You're really making me laugh. We're really proud of you, man. Thank you.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
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So were there people at the top of the system that did this? Yeah. People created this policy. The former administrators of these agencies created these policies. I've seen them. I've read them myself. I've gone to the data myself. They've seen them. Now, this isn't everybody. If you're the average person out there who's a Democrat and you see what I've seen, you, I believe,
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
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You will conclude what I concluded, which is this isn't right. These policies are wrong. They're evil. They're wrong. We gave an incentive for people to get trafficked. That's terrible. I just don't think people know. The reason I'm even willing to do all – you guys know me. I'm pretty private. I come on your podcast because we're buddies.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
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But, like, man, the reason I'm talking about this is not political. It's because it's a human rights issue and the human rights issue is being confused. It's not, it's we are incenting people to pay traffickers to come to America. We were doing this, right? We got to find better ways to do that.
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And I just, I don't believe any American, the 80% of people Jason's talking about that would say close the border. That's the 80% of people coming together on this issue, which is, man, we got to take care of people.
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I think the right thing is to figure out who's who, right? Who are the criminals? Who are the terrorists? Number one. And number two, who's mooching off the system? And then number three, the people that are working that Jason's talking about, you know, what we do with them. That's the right answer.
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Thank you.
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The rental is due at the end of the week. Okay. So, yeah, no, what happened was I had actually volunteered to go to the VA because that's kind of, as you guys know, close to my heart. And Elon said to me, look, great, you can do that next, but will you go to SSA first and see what's going on there because it's the biggest internal employee we have and see what you find in fraud, waste, and abuse.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
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Yeah, wow. What an incredible concept. It's amazing. I can't get an airplane in America without ID, but I can go vote in some states without ID. I think that's crazy. I think it's totally crazy.
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And so, of course, I said, sure, I'll do that. And I ended up out in Woodland, Maryland with the good people at the SSA, the Social Security Administration. And that's where I started. That's how all this started for me.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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So I brought with me two great professionals, John and Peyton from Valor. One of them an engineer, the other one I'd say a finance ninja. Both these guys are ninjas. And there was already a team there, actually, that was working with some great engineers. And one senior person, Scott Coulter, who's from, actually worked at Lone Pine, started his own fund, and had come here as a volunteer as well.
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So they were already doing some work, actually, particularly on the enumeration part of the system. So that is the system that you have numbers, the whole cleaning of the database, the numbers, they had already started that project when I got there.
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Fraud, waste, and abuse. I mean, exactly what Bill Clinton talked about, what Barack Obama talked about, what all presidents, but maybe President Biden talked about going back in time. It was go figure out how to save some money. Man, this system's going bankrupt. It's going to be bankrupt in 2037. The country overall, as you guys know and talked about many times, is on its way toward bankruptcy.
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We want to do something and go figure out how we can save money and go find the fraud. And that's what we did.
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Yeah, so if I might just step back and say I got it, I think it's important. We map, the way we work, you guys know we're very operational. Valerie, I've worked with all you guys various times. And what we do is we map the entire system from beginning to end. So we map the system from enumeration, so I get your number, all the way to the end, went to the offices and saw how the offices operate.
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And in that process, one of our engineers, Peyton, who I mentioned, he found the data. So we're looking at all the data enumeration, how it works, what's going on, the typical stuff you'd look at. And he found this data called enumeration beyond entry, right? So that is the, it had this giant ramp to it.
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You can see their baseline was kind of, you know, three, 400,000 people, all the way up to 2.1 million people. And that just jumped out at us. And we're like, what's that? And so we dug into it. And that's how this started.
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So I think if you look at the chart, you'll see there's, it starts to like call it 300,000 or so.
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right out of it. So 21 is coming right out of COVID, right? So if you go back even a couple of years, 19, you'll see that it's about 400,000. Yeah, exactly. Right there. So what happened was this program was designed for, so we're talking about people that got visas. This is at numeration beyond entry since after you're in. There are some people in here that have H-1Bs, screen cards, et cetera.
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Yeah.
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And the way we thought about this was that's the baseline number. That's the 3,000 to 4,000 a year you see. And that should be happening. That's like, you know, there are programs for Afghans, for example, the translators that came in after the war, right, the people who brought it, and they would be in these kinds of programs.
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And so the baseline number, and by the program goes back, this particular program goes back all the way to 17 and ended up illegitimate use, which was the kind of people you're talking about. People that we want to let in, like the CARE program, I'll make an example, which is the Afghans. they would be in this number.
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And so what jumped out of this wasn't that this is here because it has legitimate use. It's that it's the growth. Why did it grow this fast? And what happened? That's what we dug into.
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Well, the answer is no, categorically no, because the program really started in 2017. So they probably worked on it before that, right? It takes a few years to put this into place. They worked at it, my guess is, back during the Obama administration. It actually became active in 17. You see a few numbers in 18, and it starts to get a little bigger in 19 and 20, right?
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So that's how we get this baseline number of 19 and 20. That's why we're using that data here. So I can't go back 20 years. It doesn't exist. And then when we dug into it, what we found was the vast majority of the growth was related to asylum programs and parolees. And people that came in on NTAs noticed to appear into the country, either at the border, at the airports, mostly at the border.
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And then we dug further into it. We found that there were... This is about 5.4 million people total. There were about 1.2 million people that the status is marked as unknown and about 1.2 million people that were marked as general parole. And they should have markings of what the program is they're under. Because if you claim asylum, you're supposed to claim a real fear.
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I'm going to be tortured by my country. Something bad is going to happen to me. That's why I can't go home. What we find here is that a legitimate program was, in the word I use, abused. The requirements were super opened so that more people come through. And the example I'll give you, I have here actually
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The form, the form used to be, going back in time, a four-page form that the officer had to fill out in the field. And the person that was claiming asylum had to actually prove that they had a really credible fear of being murdered, tortured by their government. That's what asylum is for. It turned into a form, which I can't give you, but I'm going to show you here.
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If you zoom in on it, it has four questions. That's it. And the four questions are super leading. I'll just read one of the important ones here, right? So, Do you have any reason for concern about being returned to your home country or being removed from the United States? I mean, could that be more leading? Right. What they did is they just opened the aperture on these programs dramatically.
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Hmm.
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So they allowed people that were illegals at the border to come in legally. And as we've dug further into it, we found this took us. So you guys know me, Matt. I'm a very methodical, lean business process mapper. And we went all the way to the border, literally to Brownsville and Laredo to ask what happened. We couldn't find the data on what these unknown categories were.
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And it turns out that when the folks at the border, who were great, by the way, they really tried hard and they suffered a lot. And this is a bit of, this is a human strategy I've talked about. They were giving people at times notices to appear. This is the NTA. And what that allows you to do is come in the country, and then you're scheduled a court date, which is like six years out.
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So now you're in the country with some quasi-legal status. You're waiting for your court date. And while you're waiting for your court date, which could be six years out is the average, by the way. It could be longer than that. You're waiting for your court date. You could fill out an asylum application. So without even interviewing, just an application by filing a form.
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Once the application's in, you can file another form, 765, to get a work authorization. Once you get that, you get a 766, which is the authorization, and we automatically send you a Social Security card in the mail. No interview at all. That is the majority of the growth you see in these numbers.
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So it's a great question. No, the answer is there's no real ID verification. So you can, you know, one of the things we found, we looked at this was the people that some people showed IDs, some people didn't.
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Yeah, I mean, it could be a passport, a driver's license, but here's what really- sort of tipped us off and disturbed us. When we looked at the birth certificate data that was presented at the border, the number one birth date was 1-1, and it was four times more likely to be born on 1-1 than any other day of the year. Now, we all know this isn't true.
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Yeah, or they had nothing. They also could come with nothing.
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This is one of the issues. I mean, we do have photos of people. We found that 23% of the records looked at did not have fingerprints. And look, the folks at the border were overwhelmed. And we're not sure why this happened. I will tell you guys just to understand why I went down there.
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Both Border Patrol and Border Protection told me they had the highest suicide rates of all time during the search. OK, over 70 of these agents committed suicide in this period. It's truly tragic because they knew it was going on.
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So Ben, it's a great question, right? And the first question was, what are they doing? I mean, you know, like, where are these people? Where are they? How are they? And we've gone through a whole process of mapping this. So we mapped it through to the benefit programs.
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We found in the benefit programs that every benefit program that was being accessed by these people, you know, 1.3 million of them are on Medicaid right now, today. And by the way, it's just ramping, just starting, just to give you a point. And then out of curiosity, I woke up at night, like two in the morning. I couldn't sleep. My mind was right on this.
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I sent the injured note saying, hey guys, let's just look at the public voter rolls who we find in some friendly states. And we looked at voter rolls and we found that thousands of them registered to vote in a handful of states. And then we went even further with those friendly states and found that many of those people had actually voted. It was shocking to us.
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And if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes, I wouldn't have believed it. And so now the question we're asking ourselves is what do we do? We've referred some to prosecution. That's ongoing right now. you know, we're thinking through how to do it. And the reality is they have various kinds of status and it's a very detailed analysis legally they're working through right now about how to deal with it.
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Yes.
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Which is a federal crime, by the way.
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Oh no, Jason, it's more than a thousand. I've seen it. I've seen the data myself and it's more than a thousand in just a couple of states. I mean, it is shockingly bad. And this is the tip of the iceberg, guys. It's the tip of the iceberg. It doesn't include
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These 7.8 million people that ICE has that have come in illegally that know we're here and all the people that came illegally we don't know are here. I mean, this is not a political issue. I want to be really clear about this. This is about America.
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Yeah, thanks, Jason. It was pretty extraordinary, actually.
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you know, the Twitter experience, the first thing you do in a tournament like that is try and get the checkbook and just turn payments off and then see what happens because there are lots of people that shouldn't be getting paid and sometimes they complain and sometimes you find that people that complain the loudest are the ones who are committing the worst fraud.
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They're the worst fraudsters in the whole game, right? The worst grifters are the ones who are saying they're crying the most amount of foul. And the problem, at least in Twitter, there were financial statements. Like we could actually, there was an audit financial statement and they were basically, you know, they were in some ways correct, I would say, uh,
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There were some issues with the user growth, DAOs, et cetera, and the incentive plans, but the actual, like, you know, the casual numbers were pretty much correct. Here, the problem is much, much deeper. And it makes this zero-based budgeting question much harder, which is the way the government works, a department just basically asks for money from Treasury and they send it out.
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We all run businesses. There's a reconciliation process. You know, you have a contract, you issue a PO against it, something comes in. You check that it came in, services is rendered, and then you issue a payable. And then a month later, you pay it, right? That doesn't happen at the U.S. government. That process is broken. It used to happen. It's broken now. And so literally, money's flowing out.
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I used to ask myself this question. Why are the numbers always revised? Why are they always wrong? How can the government know how much money it's paying? Just hit the button on the computer and figure it out. Problem is, that button doesn't exist. We spent time early on, I was at Mar-a-Lago with Elon trying to track through, like, how does the money actually flow?
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No one could tell us how it actually flows. Where is it going out? People didn't know. And it's totally crazy.
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Well, so I will try to explain it to you. I'm not sure I have full command of it. I'm not sure anyone does quite yet. It goes to Treasury ultimately, but it was supposed to flow through, the way it was supposed to work, it was changed in the 70s, in 1973. The Nixon administration, in 71, let me go back, they came off the gold standard, which allowed deficits.
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In 73, at the nadir of the Nixon presidency, Congress took away from the presidency the executive power, this thing called apportionments, which was the power of the executive to stop spending. So Nixon was abusing it by stopping it because he didn't want, and so Congress took away from him. What that means today is the executive, as he reaches in, it's very hard to just stop payments.
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So what's happening is the government is put in a process where they would just have an authorized executive kind of stamp a bill that got paid. That broke, and I don't know when it broke, but it broke sometime. So the money flow now, department, gets a budget authorized to it by Congress. It goes to OMB. OMB allocates the budget. That department then just sends a money request to Treasury to pay.
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It is not reconciled against what happened. This is one of the reasons.
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There is no controller. There's no reconciliation. The reason they can't pass audits, okay, the reason this happens is because you can't audit something you haven't reconciled. The only audit that I've seen is actually from the Social Security Administration. And when you read it, I've got one of my partners who have read the thing. It's just riddled with material weaknesses.
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Yeah. I mean, I don't know what happened in Ukraine. Such a crazy story. Yeah. It is shocking about Ukraine. I will say that I have business experience trying to work in businesses that had Medicaid and Medicare as payments. I wanted to make that better, right? We used to make the world better. And we just stopped because we found so much fraud. I mean, I'm certain. We literally have a rule here.
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Government payor in those areas, if it's more than like a third of the business, we don't do it. In the services space. This is why. We found continuous fraud in the companies we were looking at investing in.
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You put slightly more in. Thank you, Jason. I was also an Uber with you too, by the way.
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My congratulations to our friend David Sachs here who's coming online. Oh, okay, here he is. David, looking good. And the one thing I want to point out, this goes way back, I think maybe more than a decade ago, David tried to explain to me
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that neocons had taken over american foreign policy and they were your question about why did the democrats change why did republicans change etc the neocons took over foreign policy on both sides democrats and republicans and populated out this very activist muster stance which is bad for america and i think that answered your question as to why the democrats shifted all right with us is david sachs how you doing brother are you literally in the white house i'm in the uh eob
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jason i i um i'm going to add what you and chamath said i think you're both right and i'll give you a very concrete example rahm emanuel is now back from japan okay he was chief of staff in both the democratic white houses post uh roosevelt um clinton and obama and he wrote an op-ed this weekend this past weekend that basically said the democrats have lost their way because they have forgotten what he calls kitchen table issues
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the things people regular people care about and shamath you're right i mean the reality is um they forgot about inflation they forgot that inflation is terrible for the average person it's terrible for middle class in america it's okay for people that own productive assets because they just go up in value but it's terrible for people that are wage earners and that have any savings terrible for older people that are living off savings terrible
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You know, Rob makes this point that if the Democrats are going to reconform in some way, reform in some way, they're going to have to recapture these kitchen table issues. And if they don't, they'll just be about these fringe social issues, DEI, transgender, whatever, and that will never work. They'll never come back into power.
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Yeah. What's funny is that, you know, Margaret Thatcher famously said that the problem is socialism. You eventually run out of other people's money. And you run deficits, right? And you destroy the country. This happened in Venezuela. This is always the end of socialism. It's how it finishes, how the movie ends. We've seen it around the world. Just look into South America.
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We were heading that direction. That's when I said earlier, I'm afraid we might become a kleptocracy if this doesn't stop. And I'm so grateful to all the great patriots at Doge and the government, the president for making it happen because we were heading that direction.
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I mean, look, Jason, first of all, thank you guys for having me. It's great to see everyone.
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So I think it should. And I agree with Shamath that the governance is very, very important. I think he's got a good idea there. I think it, for a different reason, is that we don't have an industrial policy in America. Many of our strategic competitors around the world, in particular China, have a long-term industrial policy. And they put enormous amounts of capital behind the industrial policy.
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A sovereign wealth fund, I think, would be a stealthy way to create industrial policy in America.
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In China, they want to build chip fabs and they want to catch up to TSMC. So what do they do? They take the dollars of trade surplus they get from us every year and they pour it back into making that stuff inside their country.
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And for decades, part of the problem we've had with China is that capital is free because the banking system just pushes money out to manufacturers and they move the manufacturing because the WTO from the US to China. That's industrial policy. People say the Chinese have a long-term 100-year vision. The way it manifests is this industrial policy. We don't have that here at all.
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I like to see musical. No, I booked it. We're all going to the musical. What is it called?
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And when we try to do it, we do like the CHIPS Act and it goes through commerce. We have government bureaucrats deciding how to spend $200 billion to modernize Intel, which needs to happen. I mean, I'd much rather have Ken Griffin Bill Gross, any of the guys Chamath mentioned deciding, okay, we have five industries in America we want to invest in. Let's make great investments.
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Let's make great investments for America. They've got to be economic. They've got to make money for us, but they've got to be good for the country. I think that's what most of these sovereign wealth funds do. Some of them make portfolio investments, but many of them, like the sovereign wealth fund in Saudi Arabia, the PIF, they're making enormous investments domestically to remake the economy.
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you know, tourism example. And I think this is a great idea.
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Oh, man.
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Yes. I think the Doge story maybe starts with the Twitter takeover.
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Right? So Twitter was spewing the woke mind virus into the world, which is why Elon did it to begin with.
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you know when we got there as you know was uh basically breaking even and there's there was going to be 12 and a half billion dollars of debt of the company so a billion and a half dollars in interest costs that there was no money to pay um which led to the turnaround i think which was the biggest turnaround like of all time it literally biggest turn i think ever in history second biggest tech deal ever done 80 of the people gone that doesn't include all the contractors that were there and you know the company's not servicing its debt and they just priced
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I mean... David made an interesting point about Social Security I just want to follow up on, which is when you think about Social Security, it's $6 trillion of our $36 trillion debt, and it's actually a fake Treasury bill. One of the things we figured out in the early days before the inauguration, that $6 trillion sits on the ledger. It's just a paper ledger over.
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So actually, if it gets paid out, it's also going to be very inflationary. It's just a fake Treasury I ledgered over that pays a very low rate. And here at Valor, one of my partners, John Shulkin, has been reading to try to help. The only thing we find is audit in the government. The Social Security Administration actually has an audit. It has an audit.
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And when you go through the audit, it's crazy the material weaknesses, going back to Doge, that you find. Yeah, it'd be way better to have that invested in a way that was economic for people with real money.
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Federal judge, yeah. Would you know why? Do you want to say why?
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So just to double-click here, Doge is not a new agency. It's the renaming of an existing agency. I can't remember the name of it. We'll have to find it. Elon tweeted about this some weeks ago.
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that was set up under obama actually to do this to create an odd function to the government what's crazy about this ruling to me is uh congress basically is the constitution delegates to the executive the um the ability to spend the money and they go through congress it gets actually appropriating congress and the executive spends it how can you spend money if you don't know where it went and how can you be responsible right you have the authority to spend it but not the
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And how can you responsibly spend it if you actually can't go look and see where it goes?
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Sorry, Antonio. Oh, no, please. I better run. Oh, no. I'll be back in a few hours and sell some things.
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Yesterday, one of their bank deals at $0.97. So this is a huge win. It means the company's doing extremely well. Other people bought the bank debt. And then the bank debt traded up to a little over $0.98, so $0.98 and 5 eighths. you know, a giant business success, a rousing business success. Jason, you were there for part of it. You saw it. It was a disaster.
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You could have an incubator.
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NGO launch. Go launch. I love it.
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These are kitchen table issues like Ram said. I mean, everyone cares about that. And if you don't care about that, if you care about these fringe issues and not the things people care about on the kitchen table.
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I mean, look, man, the Constitution is a document about fairness. The people that founded this country, the patriots founded this country, they did it because they were treated unfairly at home. All of us here are one generation away, right, or two generations away from immigration. And the reality is that's why people come here, man. It's un-American. It's on American immigrants.
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I just want to point out two people to look at how good they are. I'm sure they work 24-7. Look at all the payments in the U.S. government. It's not a lot.
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I mean, it feels to me like that's an administrative block. That's like the narrowest thing you could do. Okay, yeah, you can come in, but you can just send two people and just these two people. So if they get sick or something happens, no one else comes in. That seems to me to be truly it's an administrative block to slow it down.
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This place was, you know, it was tampons in the bathrooms and every woke thing you could possibly imagine and no one in the office. It was so bad that the pens had gone dry in the conference rooms, which is incredible.
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They were never being used.
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Yeah, I think Chamath has the right framework here, which is return of invested capital. And what he's saying by, you know, if Google had said, hey, half the money is for ads and half the money is for post-training, the market would have seen that half the money has a higher return on capital. And Google's return on capital has actually been going up.
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after the implementation of AI models into their company. And I think that sort of abstracts the entire market, which is people are waking up that return invested capital and data centers will matter, that the models are basic commodities and super competitive.
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Next time, no ink. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, everything. It's incredible. But flowers were impeccable. Food being made fresh every day for thousands of people and thrown away three times a day, tossed in the garbage. We didn't give it to the homeless. It was just, it was shockingly bad. Bureaucracy gone mad. Bad incentives. People don't care. So it was both, I think this turned into two things.
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best case is kind of a landlord in asia it's a melee you know in the worst case just total commodities what does matter is the return on capital data center which is influenced by how good the data centers are so you mentioned the xai data center it's a hundred thousand gpu cluster it's the most dense coherent cluster in the world and it will just train faster and better than other clusters and it's also built for the most cheaply and the fastest
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So Excel will have the highest training capital and I also think the best trained data and therefore will win. I think Google will also win because they have their TensorFlow chips. They make some of their own chips. They do focus on ROIC and they have a great monopoly to kind of fund it all. So I don't think it's overdone.
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I think this is going to be, as you guys said before in the podcast, bigger than industrial revolution. But it's also true that you need to have a good ROIC. And if you don't, you're not transparent about it, you can see what happens.
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One was just stop the wolf mind virus. You know, the interesting thing is they do extra brand safety checks there now and they have 99% rating in brand safety now, right? So stop the wolf mind virus and go into the world, number one. Number two, fix the company. And both have happened. It's been a couple of years now, right? Three years now, and both have happened.
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There's a lot of hand-wringing about this, and it's real. In prior moments of large disruption, that there have been job displacements because there's no generous people to get retrained for something else you can't retrain.
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So, you know, I think there were studies of the steel industry in Pittsburgh in the 70s that the cost of each steel worker job loss was about a million dollars to the economy because these people couldn't be retrained. And that might happen here. But I have a more benign outlook personally.
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What I think is going to happen is that you will have job loss, but the amount of productivity that will be released in the U.S. economy is going to be extraordinary. So GDP growth is a function of the number of people working times productivity. It's very simple. Economists want to make it more complex than that, but it's the number of people working times productivity.
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If productivity goes up to 5%, 6%, 7%, 8%, you get a massive boost in GDP growth. And then what happens? Well, people can get retrained. They can get different jobs. Different services happen. People start companies. The application layer of LLMs is just starting. The barrier to start a company is quite low.
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Things like launch probably explode because there's all these people who don't have jobs anymore that were accountants and want to start something. It's hard to know what happens. I believe in American agility. I believe in this country. I believe that we will figure out a way to make this all work.
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And if there's enough productivity and money in the economy that's flowing, people will find new jobs. They will find new businesses to start. They will find new things to do. We have to get out of the way, take regulation down, and let Americans be creative and unleash the American productivity machine. Let's make that happen.
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Not even three years, two and a half years, really. And both have happened. And I think you take that, that was sort of the warm-up act for what's going on at Doge, which is, you know, the President of the United States, President Trump, wants to make America great again. And that, I think, begins with making the government great. And you got to fix it. It's a turnaround.
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This is the biggest turnaround of all time. And President Trump has the courage to do it. And he's got a great ally in Elon to make it happen in Doge. And so the numbers are pretty easy, right? We're spending... Six and a half trillion. We bring in four and a half trillion. We got to find $2 trillion somewhere. Interest costs $2 trillion a year. The bond markets were going up.
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The bond was going up a lot because people didn't believe that you couldn't stop spending, creating inflation. You see those trading down now as Doge is starting to take effect. We'll see it's real. The stuff you're talking about, it's sort of extraordinary what's happening. And, you know, Elon said this publicly, right? Fraud, waste, and abuse.
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He thinks kind of 10% of the budget is probably fraud. I think it might be low, actually. So you're talking about $650 billion, a trillion in waste. I think that's probably about right. That alone fixes the problem. But what's really serious about it, Jason, for me and what scared me when we first started thinking about this, and look, I'm not there full-time.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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I'm in and out a little bit and trying to help where I can, but I'm not there full-time. When this started, I thought we had a democracy, but it turned into a bureaucracy, okay? What I'm afraid of now is we have a bureaucracy that is about to turn into a kleptocracy. I mean, a Latin American style kleptocracy. Okay, the stuff you're talking about, that is pure fraud.
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All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
DOGE vs USAID, Crypto Framework, Google's $75B AI Spend, US Sovereign Wealth Fund, GLP-1s
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All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
DOGE vs USAID, Crypto Framework, Google's $75B AI Spend, US Sovereign Wealth Fund, GLP-1s
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All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
DOGE vs USAID, Crypto Framework, Google's $75B AI Spend, US Sovereign Wealth Fund, GLP-1s
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All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
DOGE vs USAID, Crypto Framework, Google's $75B AI Spend, US Sovereign Wealth Fund, GLP-1s
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All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
DOGE vs USAID, Crypto Framework, Google's $75B AI Spend, US Sovereign Wealth Fund, GLP-1s
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All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
DOGE vs USAID, Crypto Framework, Google's $75B AI Spend, US Sovereign Wealth Fund, GLP-1s
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All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
DOGE vs USAID, Crypto Framework, Google's $75B AI Spend, US Sovereign Wealth Fund, GLP-1s
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All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
DOGE vs USAID, Crypto Framework, Google's $75B AI Spend, US Sovereign Wealth Fund, GLP-1s
And you're making some jokes out of it, the DI musical. But if you go into the data that's coming out of USAID, what you find is You know, there's a lot of political contributions going on there. Politico itself being funded by USAID. I mean, that is pure corruption. That's like a Latin American style autocracy. And we cannot let it go there. I mean, I think this happened just in the nick of time.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
DOGE vs USAID, Crypto Framework, Google's $75B AI Spend, US Sovereign Wealth Fund, GLP-1s
Good seeing you guys, man.
All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
DOGE vs USAID, Crypto Framework, Google's $75B AI Spend, US Sovereign Wealth Fund, GLP-1s
And I'm super grateful to all the people there. There's, you know, 80 plus people there, all patriots gone full time.
Morning Wire
Tariff Time & Marine Le Pen Convicted in France | 4.1.25
In 21, you see 270,000 people goes all the way to 2.1 million in 24. These are non-citizens that are getting social security numbers. Yeah, this is a mind-blowing chart. Yeah, just, this literally blew us away. Like, we went there to find fraud, and we found this by accident. My parents are immigrants. Yeah, this country's been great to us. I'm pro-legal immigration.
Morning Wire
Tariff Time & Marine Le Pen Convicted in France | 4.1.25
This is not, this is not political. This is not political.
Morning Wire
Tariff Time & Marine Le Pen Convicted in France | 4.1.25
The defaults in the system from Social Security to all of the benefit programs have been set to max inclusion, max pay for these people, and minimum collection. That's what's happening. We found 1.3 million of them already on Medicaid, as an example.
Morning Wire
Tariff Time & Marine Le Pen Convicted in France | 4.1.25
Once you're in the country and you've got asylum, through one of these pathways, we've mapped the whole thing out, You can apply for a work document. You get this form called the 766. That's the authorization. And then Social Security Administration automatically sends you in the mail your social security number. No interview. No ID.
Morning Wire
Tariff Time & Marine Le Pen Convicted in France | 4.1.25
So we actually just took a sample and looked at voter registration records. And we found people here registered to vote in this population, yes. And who did vote. And we found some by sampling that actually did vote. And we have referred them to prosecution at the Homeland Security Investigation Service. Already. Already. That is already happening.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
Well, so I met Elon because of PayPal. So I went to law school with David Sachs, and David Sachs was the chief product officer of PayPal. And so we invested in PayPal. That's how I first met him. And then invested, we're the first institutional investors in Tesla. And we're operating guys by training where I built a company in the 90s. So I got deep in operations at Tesla with him.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
And that's really when I got to know him and developed a profound respect for his ability to go deep into the detail, to really operate, understand what's going on and to his desire, truly genuine desire to make the world better.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
His mind is very unique. Okay. So to be able to go from the, to say the least, right? To go from the very, very top macro strength. Go to Mars. Yeah, go to Mars. And then zoom all the way down to the engineering detail. of, you know, what the door handle on the car and why it's got to be perfect. It's exceptionally unique.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
And, you know, what he does is he's able to galvanize terrific engineers, terrific people on a mission because he actually wants to make the world better. He wants to better humanity. Those missions are huge. But then he zooms all the way to detail to make them happen. So that combination is exceptionally nice.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
I think Elon has a really big heart, man. He's a really compassionate man. And if I can just tell you one story, please. During COVID, we were reopening the factory at Tesla, and I was there with him reopening the factory. And we had employees that had COVID, and we had some of the hospital ventilators.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
And he pulled me off the line one day to speak to a woman who only spoke Spanish because I speak Spanish, my first language. And her husband was in a hospital and ventilator. And he wanted to tell her that we were there for her and we were there for her family and we would do whatever we needed to to help her husband.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
And he had me literally sit in a conference room on a polycon and transit for him. And that is just – to see a CEO, we're back in a crisis. We don't get the factory launched. We're going to go bankrupt. Yes. Right. The local authorities, Alameda County.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
Yeah. I mean, I got there because he called me and said he was going to open the factory and they were threatening to arrest him. I said, listen, I'm going to come with you. They'll arrest me too. He said, no, no, no. Your job is to get me out if they arrest me.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
But so I went with him and I found myself in this moment of great compassion amongst all this chaos and tremendous desire where the guy stopped and said, hey, this lady's hurting. She needs some help. Yes. Like, please come tell her. Help me tell her that we're there for her. And That compassion is what's driving it. That's what this is all about. It's about America. It's about saving America.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
Not just cutting costs, but saving the entitlement programs for our seniors, for all of our people. The idea that this has got anything to do with taking money or doing anything other than making sure people get their payments is totally absurd. Just look at the facts. It's BS.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
Yeah, I think it was a, I'd say a progression that began with a belief in free speech, a fundamental belief in free speech. And what Twitter had done was corrupted free speech. Who believed it was free speech? This is not true. They had no constitutional standard. I was there myself. I asked these guys myself these questions. There was a long time I went to law school. I took con law.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
They weren't at all worried about a constitutional standard. They were a private corporation and they could decide what was said and what was up on what they were suppressing and actually promoting on Twitter. And it It began with that, seeing that this was sort of the center of the woke mind virus being pushed out in the world. I mean, that had to stop. That's really why he did it.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
I think from that point forward, his mind went, you know, it kind of goes to the biggest problems, right? What are the biggest problems? And from there, it went to, wait a minute, the problem is deeper than just this one thing, Twitter. It has now infected, the government's infected many of our children. It's gone in many directions.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
And that he believed that President Trump was the right leader, right? He's the government of the country.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
Oh, Joe, I gotta tell you, man, this is I was speaking for myself. This is the hardest thing I've ever done.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
But this is the hardest. Hardest. I mean, I started my career doing serious turnarounds. I mean, Auto factories with the unions, all that stuff, all the way to Tesla, and then Ford, which you've seen in the book. And this is by far the hardest. It's the hardest because, first, it's the biggest problem, right? You're talking about an enormous organization in the U.S. government.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
And I'd say there are very good people. There are some very good people that are helping really great. And there are people that don't want help, right? And so you've got the industry bureaucracy problem going on. And the problems are deep. They're deep, and they're really hard to deal with.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
Yes. Look, we're at 130% GP, maybe higher. It depends on how you calculate numbers. And the reality is it's a pretty simple math calculation. We keep going. At some point, the currency gets devalued and we turn it as well. That's what happens. So we have to stop it. And the target here is over 15% of the cost, right? You're an entrepreneur. You built a great business.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
If I said to you, hey, Troy, look, we got to squeeze 15% of the cost of your business, you'd be like, I can do that. Anyone can do that. And we try to do that. But if I had to, I absolutely could. Of course you could. Of course you could. And all my friends are the same question. It's 15%. It's not that big of a deal.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
And the government's a big deal because some of the money we're squeezing back here is from people that are stealing it. So I think it's an important point. The people that are screaming the loudest are the fraudsters. So why are they burning deserterships? Why are they doing all this stuff? Because we're taking money away from people that are committing a fraud. Such as?
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
Okay, I can tell you something I've seen, right? At SSA, an example. The Social Security Administration. Yeah, Social Security Administration as an example. So the 40% of the fraud came down the phone lines and do direct deposit. So you could get on the dark web, someone's social number, answer six simple questions and change the bank information from one place to another.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
This was 40% of the fraud. It was actually about a billion and a half dollars of fraud, well over a billion dollars of fraud that we know of, okay? So what's the application of this? If you're a senior like my dad, he's 84, he expects his check. It doesn't show up for a month. Maybe he notices, maybe he doesn't. Maybe it's two months.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
And it's all going to foreign formal syndicates taking the money. That's the cash cost. What we can measure and should measure is the headache to the senior. Oh, I mean, it probably shortens their life expectancy. Yeah. I mean, think about the stress, right? These people need the money and they got to go into the office. They got to fix the problem.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
They've been subject to identity theft because we didn't have basic two-factor authentication. Every bank in America. You have two-factor authentication, right? Why do our seniors deserve less? They don't. We put this in, the fraud went down. This kind of thing is all over the place. And I can tell you, I don't think there's one sort of thread to pull on, hey, let's go save a trillion dollars.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
It's like every business, right? It's a game of inches. It's a billion here and a billion there.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
Listen, Charlie, it's a billion dollars in American people's money, okay? That's a lot of money. I can tell you a crazy story. In 2024, $800 million, quote, fell off the balance sheet of the Social Security Administration. So what does that mean? Gravity applies? Gravity applies, exactly. What do you mean fall off? That's a question I ask. Who did it fall to whom? Exactly. Exactly. Okay.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
So what happened was there's a $20 billion balance sheet of money owed to the Scottish administration, right? Because during the Biden administration, they took, if we overpaid you in some way, it used to be, even going back to Obama, that the Treasury could recoup 100% of the money in, as an example, the retirement program, right?
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
If we overpay you, it was an accident, okay, we take the money back. Right. They reduced the payment plans. It was three years up until literally through Obama into President Trump's first term. They took it to five years, and then took it down to $10 minimum payment. So the payment plans went out past 2047, which is the end of the system date in the computer. What happened?
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
When that $800 million went past the system date, the technicians in the field had to write notes in the computer to be able to collect that money. Those notes aren't very good. when I met with the auditors myself and asked this question, what happened to the money? The auditor said, it fell off the balance sheet. I said, is that a GAAP term or not a GAAP term? She was like, listen.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
So GAAP is generalized accounting principles, right? Yes, of course it is. Just for the audience. Yes, and they said, what the auditors told us was, you know, it's a $1.5 trillion program. It's not material. But how did they answer that question? That's how they answered the question.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
Is that an official Internal Revenue Service term? You're absolutely right. Fell off. Fell off. And we asked this question. We're like, mind boggled. $800 million is a huge amount of money.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
Do we have, can we reverse engineer? No. I mean, the money that this particular $800 million, I've asked this question, the notes that were taken that relate to these debts were so poor that the auditors included that it's not collected.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
And they have, I mean, look, there are, if I remember correctly, about a hundred weaknesses in the audit they've identified and they still give us a clean audit opinion at Social Security Administration. It's, it is, I've never seen like, I have never in my career in 30 years seen anything like it.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
I would go home. I'm only doing this because of the U.S. government and because I believe in America. You would probably report that company to the Department of Justice. I mean, most likely, yes. I would for sure go home and then maybe call the DOJ.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
Yeah, categorically not true. Categorically not true. This is a complete lie. We're trying to save it. And the reality is it's going to run out of money anyway in 2037 no matter what. We have to try to save it. And I can't tell you this is a high-probability event, but it's worth fighting for. You know, going to Mars was really hard. It wasn't obvious 20 years ago or 15 years ago.
The Charlie Kirk Show
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It was worth fighting for. This is worth fighting for. I mean, people have paid into the system. They deserve their money. And if we've got to save it $100 million at a time or $10 at a time, we're going to fight to save it $10 at a time. We have to because it's their money.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
Yes. I would break that, the bureaucratic criterion, too, okay? Because everything we found is because people told us, right? We just mapped the system. This is whistleblowing. Yeah, I mean, we do what we don't do. So it's probably even worse than this. I mean, it is probably worse than this, yes, for sure it's worse than this.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
But the reason we had the information we had is because people told us where to look. There are very good people in these agencies all over the place. They have been stifled, and they are now telling us the truth. They're telling us their truth. They're asking us where to look, and they're really helping us. I mean, it is not the case that everyone is bad. This is not true.
The Charlie Kirk Show
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I mean, it's like anything, right? There's great people, and there's not great people. There's some phenomenal civil servants. Yes, absolutely, and they're doing it for the right reason. They're here to serve their fellow citizens. They really are. Yeah, they are. And I want to honor them. And I want to feel compassion for what they've gone through because they're frustrated.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
Look, we went to the border. I can just tell you the Border Protection and Border Patrol, they had the highest suicide rates they've ever experienced during the surge. This is a human tragedy. Yeah.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
So what happened was we mapped the entire system for Social Security from enumeration, how you get the number, all the way to the end, how you get a payment. We went all the way to the office. Yes. In that process, we found this category called enumeration beyond entry. And it had ramped dramatically. So it should be for like H-1Bs, green cards, this kind of thing.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
And it was like, you know, call it two to 400,000 people a year, every year. And then it goes up and up and up. And it doubles every year during the Biden administration. It ends up at about 2.1 million people. So if you think about baseline 4,000 to the 2.1, that really caught our eye. You know, one of our engineers, Peyton, actually found this.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
And he showed it to us because we were like mapping through the whole system. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
Thank you. Thank you.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Science Cartel, the College Scam, and the DOGE Defenders
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
The Dan Bongino Show
Wisconsin Decides The Future Of The World | Episode 11 - 03/31/25
Once you're in the country and you've got asylum, through one of these pathways, and we've mapped the whole thing out, you can apply for a work document. You file a 765. It's the work form. You get this form called the 766. That's the authorization. And then Social Security Administration automatically sends you in the mail your social security number. No interview.
The Dan Bongino Show
Wisconsin Decides The Future Of The World | Episode 11 - 03/31/25
Look, if I hadn't seen this myself, I'm not sure I'd have believed it. I went through it myself and mapped it. And Elon is right. This is true. The defaults in the system from Social Security to all of the benefit programs have been set to max inclusion, max pay for these people and minimum collection. That's what's happening.
The Megyn Kelly Show
High Stakes Wisconsin Election, Le Pen Banned from French Office, Trump's First Trip: AM Update 4/1
Is when you come in the country, if you're an illegal, There's a couple ways to come in. You come in through a port of entry, and you can tell them you're afraid. They'll give you an asylum case. You'll get an interview. Then you get in. That's one way to do it. Another way to do it, you walk up to a border patrol officer, and you tell them you want to come in.
The Megyn Kelly Show
High Stakes Wisconsin Election, Le Pen Banned from French Office, Trump's First Trip: AM Update 4/1
They were told to do that, make an administrative offense on a last administration, and they give you an NTA, a notice to appear, which is to appear at a judge. Once you're in the country and you've got asylum, you can apply for a work document. And then Social Security Administration automatically sends you in the mail your social security number. No interview. No ID.
The Megyn Kelly Show
High Stakes Wisconsin Election, Le Pen Banned from French Office, Trump's First Trip: AM Update 4/1
And so we actually just took a sample and looked at voter registration records and we found people here registered to vote. In this population, yes. And who did vote? And we found some by sampling that actually did vote. And we have referred them to prosecution at the Homeland Security Investigation Service. Already. Already. That has already happened.