Abby Wambach
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She's like, oh, yeah, that feels much better.
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And you're changing your clothes like 15 times just to feel more. I do that.
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Abby Wambach and Glennon Doyle: Intimacy, Cheating & Starting Over
I ate too much. That was my problem, which I know is a form of an eating disorder. I have a healthy case of body dysmorphia, though, in that I'm sad that my body doesn't look like it used to all the time. So I do, you know, I have to be very careful on what I eat and work out and walk because I can no longer run because my ankles are all messed up.
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Abby Wambach and Glennon Doyle: Intimacy, Cheating & Starting Over
So I've never really I haven't experienced what Glennon experiences on a daily basis. And I think it's important that like what you said around her having an environment where she feels safe to explore this stuff. And I think one of the things that a lot of us really run into almost all the time when we think about going back to our childhood is that now if we go back to our
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Awful people, people that are unlovable. And it's just not true. Like you can love your parents and appreciate for them trying their best. Because I do believe that there's a lot of of our parents out there, mine included, that they did their best and it was just maybe not enough. And. they are people too.
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And they had parents that might not have had the education or understanding that we have now. And so don't let that fear of blaming or pointing towards a childhood prevent you from exploring that part of yourself.
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Yeah. I mean, I was a queer kid. Yeah. I wore backwards hats, flannels. I went to an all-girls Catholic high school and played sports. But I was straight. I had a boyfriend in high school. Really, really scared. I grew up in a smaller town in Rochester, New York. I was really struggling because I had sat so many days of my life in the church pews And my mom, she's a very big church person.
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I was born and raised Catholic. And I was just like soaking up all of this energy towards what I knew that I couldn't say out loud. And I spent a lot of my time in the closet, not only for my family, but for myself. And I think it's... almost laughable now because when I look back at my teenage high school self, I was like the most butch lesbian you've ever known.
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I mean, if I could have, I could tell I have no gaydar. Yeah. If I could have had this haircut, then I would have, um, But no, I had like the long ponytail and, you know, only ward in a ponytail, slick back ponytail all the time. And then another thing ended up happening where we have queer kids and one of them came out to us.
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And it was like the most special thing that ever happened to me in my whole life, because instantly what happened is I got scared. And I had this panic, this fear inside of me. And it made, we talked ad nauseum about this, Glennon and I, like, oh, it made me understand that my mom wasn't afraid of me.
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She was afraid for me because the world, especially in like the late 90s, was not what it is today. Queerness was not cool, especially being a queer lesbian was not cool. It was like this underground, mysterious place that you had to like go find. And now I understand like, oh, as a parent, we want our kids to have a good life and not feel afraid of things. And I think that...
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And now I've gotten over that fear because like our kids are just happy and they are proving that acceptance is truth and acceptance is the way forward.
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Abby Wambach and Glennon Doyle: Intimacy, Cheating & Starting Over
Well, I had many. Being a professional athlete, I had a kind of a secret personal life that not many people knew about, and this was totally a part of it. Um, and I think being an athlete too, I just took on that persona that I just, I, I went hard all the time in every aspect of my life, except school. Um, I was the athlete. I went to parties. That's what I did.
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I went to college and then I became a soccer player and started playing on the national team. And so then I started to like create these time periods where I could do it, like my times off. So I would never really drink in, in, in camp, but when I'd have the weekend off or a week off, I would, I would rage for five, five of those seven days.
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Abby Wambach and Glennon Doyle: Intimacy, Cheating & Starting Over
And throughout a whole career of doing this 15, 20 years, It starts to take its toll. And then I start getting more injured, getting older, starting to use prescription meds. Those get kind of out of control. I'm leading towards my retirement from sport. And then I get a DUI. And that was the most important thing that ever happened to me.
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I get a DUI, my mugshot is on the ESPN ticker for like seven straight days. And it was like the thing that like woke me up. And I was like, whoa, my life is way worse because of alcohol. And for a lot of my life, it was what I was telling myself, it was way better having all this fun and doing all this fun things and hanging out with all these amazing people.
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And I have not had a drink since that night I got arrested. And it's one of the things I've been sober for almost for nine years now. I just hit nine years. And everything really powerfully good in my life has happened in my sobriety. And I won gold medals as a high functioning alcoholic. And a lot of professional athletes struggle with this stuff and they don't do it publicly. And I get that.
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And there's more support for and mental health support for pro athletes now than there was when I was going through. But I was just, you know, I was just really kind of suffering, not knowing if I was doing life right. Like I didn't know. I thought that that was like the only way. And I didn't literally know a single sober person until I met Glennon.
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I didn't know a single person that was sober in my life until I met her. And now I think, wow, I'm so proud that our kids will never, ever see me intoxicated. I'm so proud that I have built a life that feels not boring. My biggest concern was like, it's going to be so boring. What the fuck am I going to do?
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And the truth is when you have three children, there is a lot to do all the time, every day. And so, and then we're both full-time working people. And so there's a lot that I wouldn't be able to have the life that I have now, had it not been for me getting sober, I wouldn't, I would have probably missed Glennon. This whole thing would never, you know?
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So it's like, when I look back, it's like my life just got exponentially better. Um, Being sober.
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First of all, you spend so much less money I couldn't believe how much a dinner was without alcohol. It was insane. I was like, this is great. Big bonus. And then I think, too, like, just go home a little bit earlier. Like, once your friends start to get louder and they repeat their first story, that's your Irish goodbye moment. Like, buh-bye. Get out of there. They'll never remember.
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And they'll be like, where's so-and-so? Oh, whatever. And then repeat that story that they had just repeated to you that made you want to walk out.
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Yeah, I definitely know that my teammates were worried about me. One of them got the phone call that I got arrested from a friend and or a text. Did you hear about Abby? And they thought that I died.
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And that was their first thought that Abby got in an accident or something happened. She's dead. Yeah. And I wasn't far off. Like I wasn't far off from that happening. It's actually super, I feel very lucky that I'm still here. I think that they all, and this is the problem of being a veteran and being the person that I was, is I was kind of a senior captain.
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I think that there was this element of Abby's going to be fine. She'll take care of it. Um, and yeah, like it has, it definitely has changed a lot of my relationships and friendships from that time. Um, I had to create a whole different life for myself. I had to, I had to, to save my life. I had to leave a lot of that behind. Um, but it's really awesome that when I get to reconnect with some of my
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they get to see this different, more grounded, present, not always thinking about what are we gonna, like, how are we gonna, what are we gonna do? Like, let's go, let's party. Like, I was like that person that they kind of knew and they have to kind of get more acquainted with the new me. which is a little bit more quiet, a little bit more subdued. I still like to tell a good story.
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Abby Wambach and Glennon Doyle: Intimacy, Cheating & Starting Over
Um, in fact, one of my former teammates, we got together, it was one of our 40th, one of our former teammates, 40th birthday. And we were at dinner and she just looked at me and she's like, I like this version of you. And it meant so much to me. Like I kind of got emotional at the table because like, that's a fear. Like when you change your life so dramatically,
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you change your relationships because of it. If you change yourself so dramatically, your relationships shift. Of course they do. And you wonder, will they like me as this person? And so it was nice to get that affirmation from her. And at the end of the day, we've built a life as a family together that if you were to have children one day,
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your family and your kids become your, your source of everything. And so, yes, your friends and their opinions of you, like it matters on some level, but like also like the things that matter the most is like, what am I, what does my wife think? Like, am I doing, am I doing okay? I think I'm, am I doing okay?
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Abby Wambach and Glennon Doyle: Intimacy, Cheating & Starting Over
So, yeah, so I am I have just gotten sober. I'm also releasing my first book, my memoir. And this is a librarians convention event. And essentially what happens, and people might not know this, I did not know this. Librarians come together in a convention every year. And then authors come up and kind of pitch their books to sell their books to all the libraries of the United States.
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And so that's what this event was. So I walk in and I'm a little bit late, which never happens. And so I'm like a little bit flustered. And I walk into the back room of this convention where the rest of the librarians or the authors were eating dinner. And I walk into this room.
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And on the way to the event, I should say, I checked out who the other authors were going to be so I could know their names. And I saw Glennon. And I knew nothing about Glennon. And I just read her little blurb. And it was like, sober... Mother of Three, the book was about the redemption of her marriage through infidelity, etc. And I was like, oh, perfect. She's sober.
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Maybe she'll know how to do sobriety.
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Abby Wambach and Glennon Doyle: Intimacy, Cheating & Starting Over
I've never met a sober person, literally. And so I walk in this room and all of a sudden I look up and Glennon is standing. Everybody else is sitting. She has got to her feet and stretched her arms like this. She's all the way across the room. And I'm like, okay, well, that's Glennon, the one I want to meet. This is great. She knows me. She thinks I'm cool. So we'll get to have a conversation.
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But she's around the table.
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Well, then I... And then, yeah...
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And then she's awkward and she goes...
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I was a Sunday school teacher. And it was so interesting because this moment happens. And I have to go over to hug her because she's standing. It makes it so awkward. I'm like, okay. So I hug and then I have to go sit in my seat, which is like around the table, not next to her. And I'm just like, there's something happening.
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That I can't fully explain because I keep looking at her and I'm like, huh, like that's something is happening here. And then we get seated next to each other on the dais on the platform. What is it called?
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Abby Wambach and Glennon Doyle: Intimacy, Cheating & Starting Over
And the woman who was working for me at the time, I have to sign some autographs after the event. She unbeknownst to me, because the whole time when Glennon got up to speak, I was like, I can speak in front of a crowd of people. No problem. And I was like fumbling my words. I was like nervous. I was like, oh, my gosh, get me out of here.
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And Glennon gets up and she speaks and she's like so eloquent and perfect. Yeah. And I was just like looking at her like the whole time. And so after the event, I'm like meeting with some booksellers. And my assistant at the time went up to Glennon and said, I don't know why I'm saying this. And I don't know what is going on. But Abby needs you in her life.
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I am curious. Okay. And as a lesbian woman who grew up in the 90s, 80s and 90s, where a lot of the people that I have been with in my life were previously straight and then went back to being straight. It's just the way it goes for some of us. I was side-eyeing her around like, what's going on here? Something was happening. I felt it.
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And so then I went back into my hotel room that night and I read her book. And I got to the end of that fucking book. And I was like, You fucking stay together? That can't be. I was like, heartbroken. I was like, oh, and I, by the way, I'm the slowest reader in the whole world. I read from like 10 p.m. till 3 a.m. to try to figure out what was going to happen with this. And I was like, devastated.
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I was like, oh my gosh. And then a few days later, she emails me.
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I hadn't finished it yet.
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About the DUI and the drinking and the prescription drugs. Yeah.
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Great advice, by the way.
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Remember how much I just like scoured all of these emails. Looking for clues for clues. What is she trying to say here?
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Well, it's weird because at the time she was going on her book. She was about to go on like this, the whole giant book tour. Oprah just picked it for a book club pick as like the marriage redemption story. That's how it was being sold all over the place. And I guess we, we went from email to like started texting and honestly, like, Instantly when we started texting, then we had like a phone call.
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And I think like honestly, and this is the God's honest truth, the second we felt like that we had communicated that there were real feelings happening, she said, I got to talk to Craig. I can't do this.
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Abby Wambach and Glennon Doyle: Intimacy, Cheating & Starting Over
But then right after that, you were like, I have to talk to Craig.
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I was. And not go back. Yes. I was waiting for it. But like, here's the thing. everything about this story. a sane person would be like, this is not correct. You should probably slow down. You should do this a different way. And I totally get that. But there was everything in my total body and knowing.
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And I think it was true for you, Glennon, too, that it was like, this is where I'm supposed to be. This is the person that I'm supposed to build a life with.
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And then. She's like, yeah, we all are. Yeah, we all are. Like, join the club. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.
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Great question. So being the youngest of a big family, for me, I had seven, six older brothers and sisters who all were very sports centric. My two oldest sisters played all the sports. My brothers played all the sports. And so I grew up like watching, like observing them.
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I've also been cheated on. And so, like, it was this moment that I was like, huh, okay, this is not about me. I know what I'm doing, and I'm not doing anything weird. I'm, like, the most boring person in the whole wide world.
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You're like, what the hell? Shit's boring. Yeah. Come on. And I think like, I don't know. I just think that it's really in that moment. It's really, she's trying to soothe something, a fear that's happening. And I recognize that immediately. And of course you have that fear. I can't be mad at you for, for being scared.
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That's something that has happened in your life. And one of the vows that we have made, especially since we've gotten married because we did actually make vows, is like we don't want to use each other's weaknesses against each other. Like that's something that is a tender spot and it's a tender spot to me too. So like when these things kind of come up, we can't use it against each other.
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And I know I've not been like this in my life. This is probably sobriety really helping me be like, what the fuck? Like when you're not sober, You're keeping secrets like they might not be cheating secrets, but you're keeping secrets like that's how you stay alcoholic. Like it's the secrets that take you down. So in my sobriety, I was just like, yeah, like, what do you want?
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You want my email passwords?
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Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Have you been looking at my phone?
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But now we have each other's passwords to everything. Like, I can open her computer with my fingerprint. Like, the whole thing.
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I was a pretty athletic kid I was like jumping off the diving board at like two and I scored 27 goals in my first three soccer games and it's because I was competing against like older people my whole life you know like I was playing against my brothers playing against my my sisters and And they never like just let me win.
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Well, you have to think about it because there's the defensiveness that shows up, right? And what is underneath the defensiveness? It's like, okay, they don't trust me. Then that's like the next level. And then you have to go deeper than that. It's like, why don't they trust me? And then it has literally probably nothing to do with you. That's right.
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So it's like if you can do that equation and process that really quickly, look, I have been the one that's like, what, you don't trust me and I'm defensive and I'm like standing in the trust part of it. It's like actually go one step deeper and honesty, like being honest with yourself. Because if you have untrustworthy behavior –
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That would kind of propel somebody or make them want to look through your stuff in a way to like figure out where you are or like find my whatever. Like, of course that you will. Yeah, it's just important to do that process and to realize it's not necessarily a lot of stuff in relationship isn't about you.
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They were just like always like blocking the ball for me and like being their age, not just like bowing down to the little kid. And I think that part of like what made me so good is this desire, this like insatiable desire to win, to prove myself that I was like one of them. And with that also came a lot of probably not healthy behaviors.
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something that works for us is to like know what makes each other feel like that, that intimacy connection is there because we've been together for 10 years ish.
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almost yeah we're almost like we're in our ninth year oh my god um and we've gone through ups and downs of of not just like the actual act of like sex but like we've gone through ups and downs of feeling really connected and so in line and so on the same page and then you know stuff happens people die Diagnosis has happened and it forces you kind of away from like this homeostasis line in a way.
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And it's not my dream to be living at the high, high, high of the in-loveness because I don't think that that number one chemically is just not sustainable. Like that happens for the first couple of years and you're just like infatuated with each other and you can't keep your hands off each other. But then you fall into a sense of loving, of complete partnership and intimacy.
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And you're kind of like here. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, that was so scary for me. You remember? I was terrified because she had never been in love before. Yeah. And I had been in love before. And so I know that when you fall off that love train, you're like, I want to go back there. And so you find somebody new. And then, so that's what I did my whole life.
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I just wanted to, the love, the love chemicals, the love chemicals.
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Yeah. It's like it's like when when you're falling in love, you're trying to enmesh. You're trying to become what you are. One, you believe that you are the ones that that have it.
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Right. It's only you and this other person. It's me and Glennon and nobody else knows what we're talking about. We were insufferable. But then when you start landing in love, you become two individuals again that hopefully are along the exact same path. And, you know, like things happen where the path goes a little bit further away from that center line.
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But our goals in our life, at least mine, is to get as close to that center line as possible so that we're like, you see this? This is crazy. This is amazing. Like, okay, cool, cool. And we're headed in the right direction. And the work that we do...
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The therapy and even our podcast is like a therapeutic thing because we have to do a lot of research and thinking and feeling and talking about really hard things. And it's such an important avenue for us to not only be intimate with each other, but to explore our own intimacy with ourself. And that deep desire for the two of us that we both have to want to know ourselves more.
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And then we get to have, like, beginner's mind with each other. We get to be new people every day. And it's so fun and also exhausting at times, but fun for the most part.
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But I do think that there was a part of me that as a kid, I was just like pretty risk taking. I was fearless. Like they would call it Abby alert. I would just like run away. I would like hide. I didn't like have a ton of fear that that troubled me. So and then I had athleticism. My brothers and sisters even now tell me. Like you were ripped, like you had triceps and quads and stuff at two.
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7 p.m. So 8 o'clock p.m. would be very, very late. 7 p.m. That's a bonus of being sober.
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I think it would be me. You. I do, too. Thank you. Because at 6 p.m., she starts to power down.
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Oh my God. This is so fun. Thank you, Alex.
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Believe it or not, I don't have a single one. You don't? No. And it's only because I was terrified as a child. And we were told that if you got a tattoo, you would be kicked out. That still lives in me. And I think the day after I would want something different. So that's what it's for.
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Ooh, for sure it would be me.
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And I'm like, is that possible? And they're like, yes. So I guess I was just like this rambunctious kid who, and now after much therapy and looking back, was just really vying for the attention of my mom. Really like seven people. We're vying for that attention. Not possible. I mean, I'm glad they had seven kids because I wouldn't be here otherwise. But it was hard.
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Well, we have a story around this. Oh, my wife is. Look at your face. We do. We do. Girls just want a weekend. It's a weekend that Brandi Carlile puts on a music festival weekend. And because we're friends with Brandi. she allows Glennon to go on stage and perform a song.
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If I could turn that time.
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No. She's not a singer. And got in front of 5,000 people and performed the song, made me be a sailor. In my body, Alex.
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Well, I went out there as like, I was like a sailor. Well, she got me this sailor outfit because it's part of the music video that Cher put out.
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It was bizarre. But I was out there as like her comfort, like support person. Because she's got to go do this thing. And we go out there. And Brandy is also on stage singing back up to make sure that Glennon can get through the song. Well, instantly, we realize Glennon doesn't need any backup. She's crushing it. And now I'm just like...
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loitering I'm like what am I doing up here this is I look ridiculous Glennon is like all over the stage and sliding on her knees and the crowd is going wild I was like I was laughing with Brandy in the back of part of the stage and then all of a sudden Glennon comes and jumps into my arms and I grab her my hands are on her ass and Total ass, fishnet ass. And she goes, take me off stage.
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It was amazing. And she had a little bit of like a vulnerability hangover that night. And then we got to the airport the next morning because that was the day we were leaving. And all of the concert goers were coming up to her like, you were amazing. That was the most, it was amazing.
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Abby Wambach and Glennon Doyle: Intimacy, Cheating & Starting Over
Yeah. Oh, I'm a gear person.
Call Her Daddy
Abby Wambach and Glennon Doyle: Intimacy, Cheating & Starting Over
It was hard emotionally for, I think, a more sensitive kid than I think I was allowed to be. Would you say that that I know you don't you didn't know me then, but you know enough.
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Abby Wambach and Glennon Doyle: Intimacy, Cheating & Starting Over
I'm great. I'm having a good day. I didn't have to work other work because this is the work. This is the best kind of work where you don't have to sit in a computer and make calls and get on meetings. So I'm so happy to be here. You know, Being not just a fan of you, but watching you kind of blossom and grow, and you began from the soccer world, it's just... I don't know.
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Abby Wambach and Glennon Doyle: Intimacy, Cheating & Starting Over
Yes. And it's actually I've called myself a recovering professional athlete for the last 10 years. Granted, I'm also sober. So I'm a recovering alcoholic as well. But having the experience that I had in my childhood, it gave me, I think, an edge in a way, being a professional athlete. But I think it was like a maladaptive way of living as a normal person.
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Abby Wambach and Glennon Doyle: Intimacy, Cheating & Starting Over
And the way that I've been thinking about it recently... is I thought being extraordinary was the way, was the path to getting the quote-unquote mother's love and attention that I think I was seeking. And with that approach, I was able to win gold medals and I was able to win world championships for our country. But I got to the top of that mountain and there was no there there.
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Abby Wambach and Glennon Doyle: Intimacy, Cheating & Starting Over
There was no more, like I could get no more attention for what I was doing, literal. And maybe you have experience with this that, oh, I was seeking this extraordinary life, this extraordinary effort, gold, Olympics. And honestly, I gave myself the anthem to value it, however long it takes for the national anthem to play.
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Abby Wambach and Glennon Doyle: Intimacy, Cheating & Starting Over
And the gold medal was just put around my neck and I would step off the podium. And my first thought was like, I want to do that again. There's the repetitive nature of professional sport and the new season and the next thing that wasn't conducive to true peace, right? And I think that when I met Glennon and I got three kids, the drive towards the ordinary...
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Abby Wambach and Glennon Doyle: Intimacy, Cheating & Starting Over
has allowed me to actually experience extraordinary coming into my life. Because it's being, the extraordinary is coming in in a foundation that's built on true ordinary. That's incredible. Yeah, and I think, and I assume that you probably have a lot of relatability to this given where you're at in your life and in your career. It's just something to explore.
Call Her Daddy
Abby Wambach and Glennon Doyle: Intimacy, Cheating & Starting Over
Like, what am I actually driving toward? And when I get there... Assuming you've gotten there, Alex. Yeah. Am I asking myself the right questions to live a life that I really want? What's the end game here? And that's something that Glennon was really good at helping me craft, like, what is enough? What are we doing here?
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Abby Wambach and Glennon Doyle: Intimacy, Cheating & Starting Over
And in it, in, in and of itself, like this book that we've made asks ourselves, it's, it's, it's written in 20 different questions and 20 different chapters so that you can start asking yourselves these questions. Like, what am I doing? Like, what is the whole point? Why are we here? All of it.
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Abby Wambach and Glennon Doyle: Intimacy, Cheating & Starting Over
You're doing incredible stuff, and I just want to acknowledge that. Unwell, the sponsor of the NWSL, we're owners of the Angel City team, so... Just good job. You're doing great.
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Abby Wambach and Glennon Doyle: Intimacy, Cheating & Starting Over
I know. Sometimes I'll walk into the bedroom and she'll be like in bed and she'll be in like the most uncomfortable position that a body can be in. And I'm like, are you comfortable? She's like. I don't know.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
I also think that there's something inside of Shira's question that has a desire for structure. And when we have the conversations around families and children and all of the stuff that I know Shira knows about and a business that she's running and her husband and dealing with it, It is nice to feel as though that there is some sort of structure in place in our lives. But there just isn't.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
We're all just making it up. All of us. And because our parents did it in a vastly different way than most of us are doing it now, My parents are still in the same house that I was born in. For me, it's like I do like structure liberates me in a way to be like held to also be free within it.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
But also as these children grow up and as you grow up, like when we become adults, I think people just assume at 25 that we're now adults forever. Like my 35-year-old self was very different than my 25.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
My 45-year-old self is going to be very different than 35.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
We're all still growing up and trying to figure out because the world is so different. And so be easy on yourself, Shira, and know that, yes, it feels good to have some structure, but also there has to be a fluidity in the creating of these philosophies or priorities when trying to decide what is most important here. Is it work? Is it marriage? Is it kids?
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
Is it, you know, support systems around you?
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
Right.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
Oh, interesting.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
Yeah.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
You do have to move them along. That just makes me think of, this might be a side tangent, but as a step-parent, we call it bonus parent, I have often wondered, and Glendon's been such a wonderful leader in our family in this way and helping me learn how to parent because I became an insta-mom like that. Yeah. In fact, one of the times we were going through a drive-thru and they wanted a cake pop.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
And I said, yes, this is great. I'm going to get cake pops. And they said, can we have one? I'm like, yes, okay. And so I ordered and they said, how many? And I said, all of them. And I said, oh, no, I will turn this car around. Nobody gets any cake, no cake pops. I was just trying to buy their love.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
With all the cake pops. So with Glennon, luckily she was there and she put the kibosh on that. Yeah. But I don't know why I went down this road.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
It was a whole semester. I mean, did she do something? Like, did she murder a human?
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
In my life? Like when I was a kid? Yes. I mean, I was a pretty bad kid. But the longest one term. I got grounded once.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
Somebody who is worried. Yes. About the choices her husband is making. That's exactly my point. Is royally messing up her children. I get it. Thank you. Because look, anytime our kids do a very, very minor, minor situation, I'm like, oh, they can't ever leave the house again. She thinks it's because you think it's your fault. Yeah. I'm like, oh, it's because of the fame.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
That's because you're only grounded for a week or a day or whatever it was. It's because of the world knows us. It's because of money. Whatever it is.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
No.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
Yeah. And also, I think like where Shira might be at too, I think we are in a world that we can make lists of pros and cons. And we can talk to the people. We can even send in a podcast question to Michelle Obama. Tell me what to do. To figure out. But the truth is, and I think Glennon could probably expand on this a little, I think she already knows. Yeah.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
I think deep down, there's a knowing inside of her. She's just looking for confirmation, some which way. Because at the end of the day, nobody knows what the heck they're doing. We just have to make decision after decision. And some are right and some are wrong. And you just kind of like flow with it.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
Yeah.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
It does. I'm a three-day New York City person. I'm with you. Three-day max. Two nights, three days, and I'm solid. I love it. I'm like, this is like the wonderland. And then I'm like, please help me get out of here.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
It's so true. And Craig, I'm going to get you excited about the line of conversation. I think we'll go with this. Get the oldest into sports. That is because I've moved a lot in my life and we've moved a couple of times. Getting the kids into sports is like, first of all, the kids are the same age, so they're going to grow up. The parents are around-ish the same age as you.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
And nowadays, unfortunately, although your dad was great, Nowadays, I think it's the opposite, that it's kind of bizarre how much the parents watch the practices. I'm like, just let them practice. Stop. Because they're there like yelling at them and they're like trying to coach them. It's not as sweet as what your father was doing. But it's like Insta friends.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
You sit on the sidelines and you're just like, hey, how's it going? What's going on? So that's something for Shira and her partner to think about.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
Thank you for having us. Such an honor. This is really an honor, really special. And I think it's so special you're choosing to do this together.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
full of lessons it really shaped her completely yeah i think it really did and look we learned very quickly that sports were not going to be a thing for her she came off the field one day and she was talking to her friend and she said you know how like you're out there and you're miserable and you hate it and you're terrified the whole time you're scared and her teammate was like no what
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
And she came home and she said, I'm not supposed to be terrified. I said, no, honey. No, no. She now does music and she's doing great at that.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
Yeah, yeah.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
Do something.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
How's it going so far?
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
Mm-hmm.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
I also think that I've been informed in a little different way because when I left for college, I never went home. Right.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
And I knew that was going to happen. I knew that I was a good soccer player. I knew that I was going to be gone. Like, I never even went home for the summer. Like, I was just always training with the national teams, with the youth national teams.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
And so there is a part of me that knows that that was probably not healthy and probably not great for my overall connection probably with my birth family. And there's another part of me that is so grateful because it forced me to take care of myself and become this force, this independent person who has a ton of agency. I'm not scared of much.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
Anything that comes through the door, I'm able to handle it. It's true. And so I see our youngest... Kind of. She's in soccer. She's getting recruited right now. It's very exciting. And there's going to be a time where I know that if she really wants to go and signs with the college, I know that she's going to come back less than the others. And that's going to be hard on this one. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
And it will be hard on me too, but I have walked that walk.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
So it's interesting, you know, There's probably no right or wrong way, necessarily. I do think that there is a wisdom in our children's generation and also a little bit of softness. Both. I think because of parents getting more therapy and being more open to listening to what their kids have to say and talking more about trauma and being more in that kind of...
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
frame of mind, these children have more wisdom and they have more understanding than they see the world differently. And they experience the reality of their world very differently than we did on television screens. They're doing it 24 seven on their phones. And I also think there's a part of the generation that our children are growing up in that is It's not in the real world as much.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
And so it's scarier for them.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
Don't feel bad about yourself. No, I would still be doing it. We had two twin beds on the floor at the edge of our bed.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
Sit down with your husband and figure out what you need. I mean, I think Michelle was saying that Write it down. Figure out what is at the bottom line, what the cost is going to be, what the pros of that cost. And then go deep, deep down and figure out what you want. I think we're all afraid... to actually figure out what it is we really want. And we tend to stay in the I should lane.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
And so get brave enough to go figure out what it is. And it sounds like she's good at it because she's a handbag maker of her own. That sounds probably like something that she wanted. And geographically, it's not about the geography. I don't want to take away from your guys' options. No, no.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
What are you going to do? She's got to send in and let us know. We need follow-up. And then we can judge it. That's right. That's right.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
Well, we just absolutely, I love this conversation.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
I mean, it's interesting because this question, whether we've admitted it or not, has kind of been swirling around our family from the beginning of time, even before I met Glennon. Do you want to tell the story of Chase and the plants?
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
What?
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
When the kids are younger, you're a different kind of person and a parent than when they're a little bit older, getting into their teenage years and becoming young adults. And so their needs change. And we've been talking a lot about this because we're getting to the point where our youngest is about to go to college, empty nesters.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
And we're wondering, oh, are we building a life so that they keep coming back to? Or are we building a life that we want to live in? And I think it's probably going to be a mixture of both. But the truth is they're not going to come back very often as time continues to go on. So we have to figure out a world in which we want to live in with each other. That maybe when they pop in, it's good.
IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson
“Success” Looks Different for Every Family with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
This is such an interesting question because there's work involved. Work versus family. Can you do the both?
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
Canada PM Friend-Zones Trump & Real ID Brings Out the Karens | Glennon Doyle, Abby Wambach & Amanda Doyle
Oh!
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
Canada PM Friend-Zones Trump & Real ID Brings Out the Karens | Glennon Doyle, Abby Wambach & Amanda Doyle
I mean, there's nothing quite like getting three children and them not thinking you're cool for gold medals. I sometimes show them my highlight reel, and I'm like, I used to actually be awesome at something.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
Canada PM Friend-Zones Trump & Real ID Brings Out the Karens | Glennon Doyle, Abby Wambach & Amanda Doyle
I think the thing, though, with parenting that continually surprises me, and it's the thing that I've been really focused on the last couple of years, I was always in the chase of the extraordinary. And I think a lot of us can fall victim to that because it's what's being sold to us, right? There is no there there. I have reached the top of the mountain.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
Canada PM Friend-Zones Trump & Real ID Brings Out the Karens | Glennon Doyle, Abby Wambach & Amanda Doyle
And when I looked at myself in the mirror after winning those gold medals or getting literally handed the Player of the Year award, I was the same person. I had the same zits. I had the same problems. And yeah, it's something, a notch in the belt, but like at the end of the day, it didn't totally fulfill me.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
Canada PM Friend-Zones Trump & Real ID Brings Out the Karens | Glennon Doyle, Abby Wambach & Amanda Doyle
And I've been really focused over the last few years on really just like building and developing an ordinary life. And it allows me more access to the moments like this, where extraordinary comes in and I get to totally fully embody it and experience it. Because I know that the thing that I'm building at home with our family and our children, that is the thing that brings me the most joy.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
Canada PM Friend-Zones Trump & Real ID Brings Out the Karens | Glennon Doyle, Abby Wambach & Amanda Doyle
And parenting's a doozy, nobody knows what they're doing.
The Daily Show: Ears Edition
Canada PM Friend-Zones Trump & Real ID Brings Out the Karens | Glennon Doyle, Abby Wambach & Amanda Doyle
She's actually, her sharing this on the podcast has actually saved people's lives. A lot of people have gone and actually done this extra testing, and people have found things that they never would have otherwise found. That's really, really special.
The Nerve with Maureen Callahan
Meghan And Harry’s Bizarre Outings, Taylor Swift's Blake Diss, And Glennon Doyle's Self-Help Scam
It's weird because at the time she was going on her book, she was about to go on like this, the whole giant book tour. Oprah just picked it for a book club pick as like the marriage redemption story. That's how it was being sold all over the place.
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I actually want to dig into that. There's a lot of our listeners that won't have a parent like your mom's. was that she could come to you and say, with a little self-awareness, even if it's minuscule, a lot of our parents don't have the emotional intelligence or the desire or the need or the understanding or the ability to look at themselves.
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How do we heal? When we do have some of these childhood wounds, how do we heal when we don't have that reciprocity with a parent?
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It's quite counter-cultural. And also the whole idea that Alex, you want there to also be joy in healing. Like this is the first time I've ever experienced that. To me, I thought healing was just feeling better. It wasn't an action. It was just like time was going to heal all wounds and then I'd feel better. But maybe I was getting half of it right.
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I was and am and always have been going towards joy, which is a healing mechanism.
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I think it's good, too, because you've got to check in with yourself, almost do it every morning, because when I walk upstairs and you're up there already and she's like, how are you? How did you sleep? And she starts asking me these questions. I am now like, oh, I go into myself, but I haven't had that experience. conversation with myself first. You don't even know.
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And so then it becomes the performance, the autopilot of what does she want me to say so that I don't make this morning weird and all that stuff, right?
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So it's like maybe do like a daily check-in with yourself in the morning before you talk to your partner.
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How much is this, do you think, related to mortality? Because as you go through your 20s, it feels like 20s are just like, what is life? I don't know what the hell I'm doing. And then you kind of start settling into a groove. Well, some of us. I didn't really until I was in my 40s. How much do you think of this process of healing has to do with the idea of, oh, I may be midway through my life.
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We love you. I love you. So Glennon didn't tell me about this conversation. She just was reading these books and we were on vacation and Once in a blue moon, Glennon will be reading a book and just go, fuck. And I feel scared. I'm like, what? Like, what? What's going on? She's like, it's just so beautiful.
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The Bravest Conversation We’ve Had: Andrea Gibson (Best Of)
And so this was happening countless times during our vacation when she was reading your poetry. And so it prompted me to get online and And look you up and figure out who this person was. And I DM'd you a picture of what was happening at our table. Like, yes, my wife reads while we eat.
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The Bravest Conversation We’ve Had: Andrea Gibson (Best Of)
And so what set off was, you know, DMs back and forth. And here we are in this conversation right now.
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The Bravest Conversation We’ve Had: Andrea Gibson (Best Of)
So I had a little different experience. Mine was, it was, I would say, godly experience where... I like saw my parents and, and they don't really listen to the show. So I don't feel bad about saying this. I love you though. Mom and dad, that God was kind of like, Oh, sweetheart talking to me. Like I, I gave you to ordinary people and they were never going to understand you.
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The Bravest Conversation We’ve Had: Andrea Gibson (Best Of)
And so I just started weeping. And I don't mean to sound arrogant or anything, but I have always felt so different than my parents and so unlike them. Not that I am special and they're ordinary. It's just, there was just this very big difference in the way that we approached the world and life. And that was the first real understanding.
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The Bravest Conversation We’ve Had: Andrea Gibson (Best Of)
Like I've, I consciously have like understood it in my, in my brain, but I never in my spirit. Cause there's a, there's a disconnect there. My parents, I felt like almost dishonorable by even thinking that. So I had the permission, I feel like in this experience to say, it's okay that we're different, you know? I don't know, but it was profound.
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The Bravest Conversation We’ve Had: Andrea Gibson (Best Of)
I definitely am weirder.
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The Bravest Conversation We’ve Had: Andrea Gibson (Best Of)
They're an expression of something in you. And for me, a fear, like a trauma, a worry, something was getting released. And for you, it was an awareness coming more to your forefront.
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The Bravest Conversation We’ve Had: Andrea Gibson (Best Of)
I am amazed by you and your willingness to come on. I think that bravery is not the right word here. And you going through what you're going through right now. I have an intense fear of death. And so I was terrified to come on and talk to you about this. For a lot of reasons, it's like so confronting. And you are just wonderful to talk to. And I think that you have so much to teach us.
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The Bravest Conversation We’ve Had: Andrea Gibson (Best Of)
What do you think happens in death? What is your belief on death?
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The Bravest Conversation We’ve Had: Andrea Gibson (Best Of)
My hand hurts. We were holding hands so tight.
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The Bravest Conversation We’ve Had: Andrea Gibson (Best Of)
You are fucking awesome. Yeah, this is the conversation I've been waiting to have my whole life. I'm just very profoundly impacted by you and your work and this conversation.
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The Bravest Conversation We’ve Had: Andrea Gibson (Best Of)
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