Young and Profiting (YAP) with Hala Taha
Mike Rowe: The Hidden Path to Wealth, Career Growth, and Business Success | Career | E343
Mon, 24 Mar 2025
Career success isn’t about degrees, corner offices, or chasing dreams. It’s about mastering valuable skills and seizing real opportunities. Before becoming a TV icon, Mike Rowe spent years jumping between industries, side hustles, and freelance gigs, working nearly 200 jobs. His willingness to embrace unconventional opportunities led to the creation of Dirty Jobs, one of Discovery Channel’s biggest franchises. In this episode, Mike shatters career myths, reveals why skilled trades and overlooked industries are goldmines for entrepreneurs, and shares the mindset shifts needed to achieve financial freedom in today’s job market. In this episode, Hala and Mike will discuss: (00:00) Introduction (01:20) Building a Flexible Mindset for Career Growth (09:42) Pitching Dirty Jobs and Facing Rejection (17:28) Why Chasing Opportunities Beats Passion (27:55) The Six-Figure Trade Jobs People Ignore (34:16) Shifting America’s View on Career Success (36:04) Debunking Trade Job Myths (41:24) Skilled Labor: The Future of Work (45:55) Entrepreneurs Building Wealth in Trades (54:27) How to Avoid Getting Stuck in Your Career (59:51) The Urgent Need to Prioritize Skilled Trades (01:07:06) How Pivoting Drives Business Growth Mike Rowe is an Emmy award-winning TV host, producer, narrator, and entrepreneur, best known for hosting Discovery Channel’s Dirty Jobs. He is also the founder of the mikeroweWORKS Foundation, which has awarded millions in scholarships to students pursuing trade careers. As a bestselling author, podcaster, and America’s top advocate for skilled trades, Mike challenges the stigma around blue-collar work and promotes skilled labor as a path to financial success. Sponsored By: Shopify - youngandprofiting.co/shopify OpenPhone: Streamline and scale your customer communications with OpenPhone. Get 20% off your first 6 months at openphone.com/profiting Airbnb - airbnb.com/host Indeed - indeed.com/profiting RobinHood - robinhood.com/gold Factor - factormeals.com/factorpodcast Rakuten - rakuten.com Microsoft Teams - aka.ms/profiting Resources Mentioned: Mike Rowe’s Foundation: mikeroweworks.org Mike Rowe’s Podcast, The Way I Heard It: https://apple.co/4bVOtLC About My Mother by Peggy Rowe: https://amzn.to/4c04L6h Vacuuming in the Nude by Peggy Rowe: https://amzn.to/4ksE1PT Active Deals - youngandprofiting.com/deals Key YAP Links Reviews - ratethispodcast.com/yap Youtube - youtube.com/c/YoungandProfiting LinkedIn - linkedin.com/in/htaha/ Instagram - instagram.com/yapwithhala/ Social + Podcast Services: yapmedia.com Transcripts - youngandprofiting.com/episodes-new Entrepreneurship, Entrepreneurship Podcast, Business, Business Podcast, Self Improvement, Self-Improvement, Personal Development, Starting a Business, Strategy, Investing, Sales, Selling, Psychology, Productivity, Entrepreneurs, AI, Artificial Intelligence, Technology, Marketing, Negotiation, Money, Finance, Side Hustle, Mental Health, Career, Leadership, Mindset, Health, Growth Mindset, Productivity, Startup, Business Ideas, Growth Hacks, Career Development, Money Management, Professionals, Workplace, Career Podcast.
Chapter 1: What is the focus of Mike Rowe’s career advice?
People just don't believe you can make six figures working with your hands. There are 8.7 million open jobs. Most of them don't require a four-year degree. What they require is training and the mastery of a skill that's in demand.
A lot of people know you from your very, very famous show called Dirty Jobs.
Dirty Jobs became a hit in 2006. By 2008, it was the number one show on cable. There were 12 million people looking for jobs. But the crazy thing was on Dirty Jobs, everywhere we went, we saw help wanted signs. Those jobs are real. They're not vocational consolation prizes for people who can't do the other thing.
How do you feel about following your passion?
Just because you love something doesn't mean you can't suck at it. Follow your dreams. Follow your passion. The trap with that is...
Yeah, fam, I'm joined today by a huge figure in both television and podcasting, someone who's perhaps America's most celebrated blue-collar storyteller. I'm talking, of course, about Mike Rowe. Mike is an Emmy Award-winning TV host, producer, narrator, and podcaster. He's the creator and host of Dirty Jobs and the podcast The Way I Heard It, amongst many other things.
Before he was profiling America's Toughest Jobs, Mike was just trying to figure out his own path and get ready because his career is a masterclass in how to adapt and how to become a transformative content creator and storyteller. Mike, welcome to Young and Profiting Podcast.
Thank you. Do I still qualify as young? I mean, profiting, I understand, but I'm not sure the young thing still applies, but I'll take it.
Well, you're definitely profiting and you are young at heart. I know that for sure. And I interview people of all ages. I'm really trying to get your wisdom. And I know you've got so much to share today. So a lot of people know you from your very, very famous show called Dirty Jobs. But I found out that you had a really extensive career before that. And you did so many different jobs in the 90s.
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Chapter 2: How did Dirty Jobs become a successful TV show?
And yeah, I was singing in the opera. I was doing infomercials. I was guest starring in sitcoms. I was doing pilots for talk shows. And God, I wasn't terribly proud of the work, but I wasn't ashamed of it either. And spent probably 15 years probably doing maybe 200 different jobs in the entertainment business before Dirty Jobs even came along.
So there's a weird but bright line on my resume that I would call before Dirty Jobs and after Dirty Jobs because really everything changed in a huge way once that show hit.
Yeah. And you were getting so many experiences. You were doing so many things. And I read somewhere that you were really treating TV as a mercenary and that you weren't worried about the quality of work. You just thought of it as work. So talk to us about having that kind of a mindset and how that actually helped you when it's such a competitive world to be in.
You became really successful where so many people struggle to find success as an actor and things like that.
Well, it helped me for as long as it helped me, and then it didn't. And that's the thing, really. I mean, the thing about advice is that I've lived long enough to know that the best advice I've ever gotten only applied at the time I needed to hear it. And I don't know...
who's listening to this conversation right now necessarily or really what they need to hear all i know for sure is that i i live two very different lives in the course of the career that i've had and both were fun and both were necessary but neither could have happened
contemporaneously so the mercenary thing you read about was probably me talking about my foundation today and how i squared this kind of bloody do-gooderism with the business of actually making a buck in an industry that is in fact very mercenary and um In those conversations, I typically say something like, look, I think there's a missionary position and a mercenary position in all things.
And I think both those positions are somewhat underrated. But prior to Dirty Jobs, it was all mercenary. I was a freelancer in every sense of the word. By the way, do you know the etymology of that? Where freelance comes from? No. I didn't either. And when I learned about it, it really resonated with me that the word is actually medieval. It refers to a knight who served no lord or no king.
His lance, in other words, was for sale. He was a freelance, not an inexpensive one, but he was free to work for anybody he wanted to. That attitude combined with the tools in the box my pop told me to assemble, a willingness to relocate whenever necessary, those things really informed the first 15 years of my career. And I loved that life.
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Chapter 3: Why does Mike Rowe advise against following your passion?
And if that happens, then what am I if I'm not the host? And the answer was, well, maybe you're an apprentice or a guest or an avatar or a cipher of some kind. It might not seem like a big distinction today, but back then it was huge.
And this idea, like after 15 years of impersonating a host, if all of a sudden I could work instead as a guest and find a dynamic where I could spend time with regular people doing real work, would anybody watch that? That was the question. Well, holy crap, man. I put that That segment went on the air on Evening Magazine, and the response was telling.
It wasn't that people said, God, that was enjoyable. People were horrified. They were trying to eat dinner, and I'm crawling around in a river of crap. It was just totally inappropriate for that show. In fact, I was fired ultimately for putting that on the air.
But the feedback that I'll never forget came from hundreds of viewers who just said, hey, Mike, if you think that was dirty, wait till you see what my dad does. Why don't you come and drive the food truck at the zoo or replace a lift pump in a pumping chamber at a wastewater treatment plant and so forth? And I just thought I'd never seen that kind of reaction to anything I'd ever done on TV.
It wasn't thumbs up or thumbs down. That didn't matter. It was like, hey, come and let me show you what I do. And that was the moment for me. I thought, man, there's something here. And even though CBS let me go. They let me take the tape with me, and I got their permission to try and sell a show. I called it Somebody's Gotta Do It back then, but everybody said no.
I took it to every network, every place you can take a show to sell it. The only people who didn't say no were Discovery, and they didn't say yes. They just said, look, we'll let you do a pilot, like three episodes. They hired me to be sort of the Discovery guy. They wanted me to go on expeditions around the world and
see the titanic and climb kilimanjaro with experts and i was totally into that and they let me narrate pretty much everything they did for about 15 years there but this thing we call dirty jobs was not supposed to be a hit it wasn't supposed to be a series it certainly wasn't supposed to be a franchise and it sure as hell wasn't supposed to launch 38 different shows it did all those things happened
And as they started to happen, I realized for the first time in my life that I was actually working on something that I did care about. That's when I went to work in earnest, truly, for the first time in my life, when that thing went on discovery and hit, and we were overwhelmed again with the same response, only this time it was thousands of letters.
That's when everything changed, because my mom called and told me to do something that looked like work.
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Chapter 4: What is the role of skilled trades in today’s job market?
And they waste so much time and they end up just not doing any work because they're waiting for like that big opportunity and they don't realize that it's all the hard work and the opportunities that don't look sexy that are actually going to get you to where you want to go.
I'm just sitting here nodding in violent agreement. It's back to cookie cutter advice, unfortunately. We all need to hear exactly what you just said at some point in our life, but we don't all need to hear that at the same time because we're on a trip. This is a journey. I just had this conversation with my mom again, not to drag her back into it, but it's really apropos.
This woman wrote every day for 60 years. I'm not even kidding. Her dream was to become a published writer. And she gave up on that dream after 40 years of beating her head against the wall. But she never stopped writing. She kept doing it because she knew the work. She found a passion in the work. Her dream of being a bestselling author was out the window until she turned 80.
Then she sold a manuscript and it went to number four on the New York Times bestseller list.
That's so amazing.
And then two years later, she freaking did it again. I mean, if you want the persistence rap, this is the story. She's 80 and she writes a book called About My Mother. She's 82 and she writes About Your Father. That thing also top 10. Then she writes Vacuuming in the Nude and Other Ways to Get Attention, which goes to number one.
And then she just wrote her fourth, Oh No, Not the Home, True Stories About Life in this Retirement Community. I don't mean to turn this into a commercial for her books. What I mean to say is, what are we to learn from a woman who wrote every day for 60 years before she got what she wanted? It actually contradicts and makes my point at the same time.
Based on that, I said, Mom, so what do you tell a writer who comes to you and says, do you have any advice? Because it's a very heavy thing. If you encourage somebody to do what you did, the odds are very good they're never going to get published. And they're going to spend 60 years making little rocks out of big rocks.
But if you discourage them, then you're this sweet little America's grandmother who's going around killing people's dreams. How do you square that? And she said, oh, Michael, you know what I do? I tell them that I encourage them the way somebody in the crowd of a marathon does. might encourage a runner. I just stand there and I applaud as they go by.
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Chapter 5: How does Mike Rowe’s foundation support skilled trades?
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You're not really pushing young kids to do that. You are actually pushing young kids to keep the lights on, keep the water running in America. And you've got this foundation, the Mike Rowe Foundation. You've done like over, I think, $12 million in scholarships, which is absolutely amazing. And on your website, you say that America has declared a war on work and the casualties are all around us.
So how has America made work the enemy?
Well, in a lot of ways, I think one way is exactly what we've been talking about. We've told kids that job satisfaction is a result of their ability to make their dreams a reality. It kind of starts with that. And so you put this incredible burden on a kid to say, look, if you want to be happy with your life, you need to identify right now the thing that's going to make you happy.
and then we'll embark upon a plan to borrow vast sums of money in order to get you the proper credentials that will permit you to pursue this goal. That's baked in. It's kind of like, not to digress, but it's like a soulmate. If you're out there looking for your soulmate, That's like looking for your dream job. It's really hard to find.
Better to find a job and then craft it into the thing you want. Better to find a good and decent person you can trust and then find a way to love him or her. I know I'm saying the same thing in a slightly different way, but we've got it so inculcated in the minds of this generation that they could be the next American Idol. All you have to do is want it bad enough.
So yeah, to that, I do say bullshit. I'm sorry, but wanting a thing is not enough. So the first order of business is to get a more realistic set of expectations. Then you have to take an honest look at the opportunities that exist. Again, I'm not saying ignore your dreams.
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