Young and Profiting (YAP) with Hala Taha
Dave Ramsey: 5 Stages to Build and Scale a Business That Lasts | Entrepreneurship | E344
Mon, 31 Mar 2025
Too many entrepreneurs get stuck on the business treadmill, hustling nonstop, unable to scale, and unknowingly stalling their growth. That’s where Dave Ramsey began. After crashing into $3 million in debt, he rebuilt from scratch, turning a small radio program into a national show with millions of listeners. With over three decades of experience in entrepreneurship, business growth, and content creation, he knows what it takes to build a lasting business. In this episode, Dave reveals the six drivers of long-term success, the five key stages of startup growth, and how he balances life as an entrepreneur and a content creator. In this episode, Hala and Dave will discuss: (00:00) Introduction (00:23) The Core Principles of Financial Freedom (05:42) Adapting to Change as a Content Creator (09:22) Balancing Content Creation and Entrepreneurship (12:34) How to Create a Clear Path in Business (15:19) The Truth About Starting a Business Today (18:22) The Six Drivers of Business Success (26:20) Shifting From Tactical to Strategic Thinking (29:44) The Five Stages of Business Growth (41:10) Leading with Care, Clarity, and Accountability (47:10) Identifying the Right Leadership Skills (48:35) Starting a Media Business as an Entrepreneur Dave Ramsey is a personal finance expert, radio personality, bestselling author, and the founder and CEO of Ramsey Solutions. Over the past three decades, he has built a legacy of helping millions achieve financial freedom. As the host of The Ramsey Show, Dave reaches more than 18 million listeners each week. He is the author of eight national bestselling books. His latest, Build a Business You Love, helps entrepreneurs navigate growth and overcome challenges at every stage. Sponsored By: Shopify - Sign up for a one-dollar-per-month trial period at youngandprofiting.co/shopify OpenPhone: Streamline and scale your customer communications with OpenPhone. Get 20% off your first 6 months at openphone.com/profiting Airbnb - Find yourself a co-host at airbnb.com/host Indeed - Get a $75 sponsored job credit at indeed.com/profiting RobinHood - Receive your 3% boost on annual IRA contributions, sign up at robinhood.com/gold Factor - Get 50% off your first box plus free shipping at factormeals.com/factorpodcast Rakuten - Save while shopping at rakuten.com Microsoft Teams - Stop paying for tools. Get everything you need, for free at aka.ms/profiting LinkedIn Marketing Solutions - Get a $100 credit on your next campaign at linkedin.com/profiting Resources Mentioned: Dave’s Book, Build a Business You Love: bit.ly/BuildaBusinessYouLove Dave’s Website: ramseysolutions.com Active Deals - youngandprofiting.com/deals Key YAP Links Reviews - ratethispodcast.com/yap Youtube - youtube.com/c/YoungandProfiting LinkedIn - linkedin.com/in/htaha/ Instagram - instagram.com/yapwithhala/ Social + Podcast Services: yapmedia.com Transcripts - youngandprofiting.com/episodes-new Entrepreneurship, Entrepreneurship Podcast, Business, Business Podcast, Self Improvement, Self-Improvement, Personal Development, Starting a Business, Strategy, Investing, Sales, Selling, Psychology, Productivity, Entrepreneurs, AI, Artificial Intelligence, Technology, Marketing, Negotiation, Money, Finance, Side Hustle, Mental Health, Career, Leadership, Mindset, Health, Growth Mindset, Side Hustle, Passive Income, Online Business, Solopreneur, Networking.
Chapter 1: What are the core principles of financial freedom according to Dave Ramsey?
What are the five different stages of a business?
Well, the first one is treadmill. Everything depends on you. And then the second thing is you start. And then when you've done that, you'll level up and you go into the Pathfinder stage. And then we move into Trailblazer. The next one is a sweet spot, Peak Performer. Oh, you're making so much money. Everything's going so good that you forget to break it, but you better break it before it breaks.
And then once you do that, you will naturally roll into the last one, which is.
What advice would you give to an entrepreneur right now who wants to start their own media business?
Do it.
Young Improfiters, welcome back to the show. And what if I told you that you could have a roadmap to building a business that you love? Well, that's exactly what we're going to be uncovering today with our guest, Dave Ramsey. Now, Dave Ramsey is an incredibly successful entrepreneur. He's got a media empire behind him, and he's helped millions of people unlock financial freedom over 30 years.
But he's not only an entrepreneur, he's a creator entrepreneur. He's a content creator. He creates content every single day while also running a business. So in today's episode, we're going to uncover how he manages that all.
And we're going to learn his formula for creating a business that you love, including the six drivers of a business and the five stages of business that we need to be aware of and how they interact. Dave has a new book called Build a Business That You Love, and we're gonna really dive deep on that topic today. So I can't wait to uncover this conversation.
We're gonna talk about everything from people to leadership to hiring and firing, and you're just gonna learn so much. It has jam-packed with gems for us entrepreneurs, so I can't wait for you guys to hear it without further delay. Here's my conversation with Dave Ramsey. Dave, welcome to Young and Profiting Podcast.
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Chapter 2: How did Dave Ramsey start his business journey after financial ruin?
I want to be broken deeply in debt and hundreds of thousands of dollars of student loan debt and car debt, and I can't breathe. No one sets out for that to be their goal. They fall backwards into it from a lack of intentionality.
And so you have been preaching financial advice for so long, but I found out that you actually started your career with a radio show, a really small radio show. And it all started because you kind of hit rock bottom and this was your way out of that, getting this radio show. So talk to us about financial ruin and what happened there and then how you started with your first radio show.
Well, when I got out of college, I got married and Sharon and I were broke. We had no money. And I went through a couple of jobs and then I started buying and selling houses, doing flips. And that's before there was cable TV and before Chip and Joanna were born. So this is way back there in the early 80s. I was good at it.
I grew up in a real estate household, and I was doing a lot of flips and making profit. But I borrowed a lot of money to do that, and I continued to borrow short-term notes to do the flips because we weren't holding the property. We were flipping it. The largest bank we were dealing with got sold, and they looked down and said, there's a kid, 26 years old, owes us a million, too. This is scary.
me and two in 1982 with some money. And so they called our notes. And then another lender heard we were in trouble because we were in trouble. And so we had to come up with all of the $3 million worth of debt that we were in in like six months. And that was impossible in the real estate business. So it started a crash of foreclosures and lawsuits and
stress that lasted two and a half years and finally with a brand new baby and a toddler and our marriage hanging on by a thread we hit bottom after two and a half years i made two hundred fifty thousand dollars one year the next year i made six thousand because I spent the whole year selling everything, trying to pay the bill. So at 28 years old, I got the opportunity to start over.
I went to buying and selling real estate again, but this time I was just doing it as a wholesaler, just pitching it to other people that are in the business, because I had no credit and I had no money. to eat to feed the kids.
And then gradually I started learning common sense financial principles from old people that were rich and from the Bible as a Christian and started telling people to live on less than you make and be on a budget and get out of debt. And that's what Sharon and I were doing to recover, to heal. And so that started as just a little Sunday school class at my church.
And then we went on a broke radio station, as you said. It was talk radio. It was huge in those days. It was just beginning in those days, actually. Rush Limbaugh was just coming on the scene, that kind of thing. And we went on as just a lark, just for fun. We weren't paid. There was no money. It was just to help people. And we were horrible. We were awful at it.
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Chapter 3: What strategies does Dave Ramsey use to adapt to changing content platforms?
You know, it's really insightful for you to notice that. Most people don't. I have to explain it to them. So thank you. That's impressive. Because we're not talk radio people and we're not podcasters and we're not YouTubers and we're not best-selling authors and we're not a live events company and we're not a curriculum company. We are content creators.
What that means is we have a message that helps people that we believe in and that we're effective at teaching. And once you say that, then the answer is we're platform agnostic. I don't give a crud. I personally, I'm a boomer. I personally detest TikTok. I make fun of it. But aside from my personal flavor, we utilize that medium because we're able to reach a lot of teens.
We're able to reach a lot of early 20s, Gen Zers that are kicking off. And so we're wearing TikTok out. My social media team, aside from my personal taste of it, I actually don't consume any personal media personally anymore. I check my Instagram a little bit, but that's about it. I have never been personally on Facebook.
When Twitter started, I got on it big time because it was a lot of fun way back before it got taken over by the trolls. And I've not been on it since it's X. I'm on it, but I'm not on it. So anyway, we're platform agnostic. So talk radio. And then the first thing that happened was in the 90s, two satellite companies put up satellites, one called Sirius and one called XM.
And talk radio people were freaking out like, oh, that's going to be the end of talk radio. It's going to take over everything. And then we're like, nah, probably not. But that's kind of fun. And so we did a deal and got on both of them. Well, they both financially struggled and then ended up combining. And so today I have a whole channel on Sirius XM.
But I was one of the first people on there because I'm platform agnostic. And we kept doing talk radio. And then Mark Cuban sells broadcast.com for $11 billion because broadband was actually starting to get some penetration. Of course, when I started on talk radio, there wasn't an internet. So when we come along past that, now this thing pops up called the Wild Wild West, www.daveramsey.com.
We used to say that. You know, it's crazy. So the broadband where you could actually get something that was streaming and it was clean like you and I are doing right now and that kind of thing. And so a guy walked into my office, one of my team, and he goes, we need a podcast. I'm like, what the flip's a podcast? And we were one of the first people in the podcast space.
We were there very, very early. We didn't shift the whole business model to that because we don't really care what it's on as long as we can help somebody with it. And we're not going to abandon all the others. We're not radio people, so we don't have to worry about radio. We're not podcasters, so we don't have to worry about podcasting.
And if one of them gets mad at us or the other, that's their problem. We're going to be on everything.
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Chapter 4: How can entrepreneurs balance content creation with running a business?
And so my calendar is 15-minute blocks is 100% full from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. when I'm working. And it's probably out through about August right now that way. And so if something gets on there, that means something else got bumped off. right now, between now and then. And that will happen periodically. My personal assistant's been with me 23 years.
She helps me manage that so that I don't get all fatigued and stressed out and become a jerk or too much caffeine and become a jerk. But yeah, we just got to navigate our way through that and manage those time blocks.
So I'm hearing time blocking. I'm hearing saying no, even though you want to help people. But sometimes you just got to say no if it's not going to be aligned with your priorities. So you've got this new book and it's called Build a Business That You Love. By the time this comes out, the book will be out. And in the beginning of your book, you mentioned an analogy about golf and red lights.
Can you share that story with us?
Yeah, I went to Scotland recently and played golf. I'm not a good golfer, but I had a lot of fun because it's the home of golf. And Scotland is famous for its horrible weather when you're playing golf. Among the horrible weather is fog. And so we played one course one day, my wife and I, and it was super, super foggy, and you couldn't see 40 feet in front of you.
And so we had a caddy, and he would say, just aim it that way, and you're just hitting a ball off into oblivion. You have no idea. where it's going, none whatsoever. And it was really, really, really a frustrating experience. And then we went about three days later, it was foggy again, and we went to a different one.
And these people had taken bicycle seat lights that were strobes and put them on little posts about every 50 yards out through the fog. And so you couldn't see the hole where you were hitting to, and you couldn't see really a lot of the nuance of the terrain that you were hitting into, but you could see one light blinking in the fog.
And so if you could hit the ball towards that light, you knew you were going to be okay. And that changed the whole experience. Exact same weather, but it was nowhere near the frustration, even though it wasn't as enjoyable as being able to see the whole thing and place the ball where you wanted to place it.
But at least we had the sense that what we were doing was getting traction and it wasn't just a random freaking chaotic thing. And so you land out there and then you could see the next light and get up onto the green, and then you've got a whole different process. So the point of that is that having a clear path in anything gives you huge hope and energy and belief to move forward.
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Chapter 5: What are the five stages of business growth according to Dave Ramsey?
But it brings with it a whole other set of problems as well as opportunities. And so, again, they just keep pouring around. And then by the time you make a little more money and you come around, now you've got to grow again. And here the thing cycles again. So it never really stops. And it's not necessarily tied directly to the five stages, meaning it doesn't turn like once per stage.
You know, sometimes you might turn all the way around that three or four times in a stage. That's very possible. I know we have at Ramsey as we've looked at it.
Thank you. Thank you.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. The ownership has already passed. The leadership team can carry this without me. We now have multiple other brands other than me on the stage, on the microphone, called Ramsey Personalities.
And the show actually gets higher ratings when they're on than when I'm on, which is distressing to me personally, but it was the plan. So... It's kind of insulting, but yeah, it's real. It means our plan's working. We've been working on that for 16 years, by the way.
Wow, wow.
While we were riding along in Peak Performer, we've been working on how we were going to create a succession plan, how we're going to implement it. We kept asking ourselves, if Dave dies this year, how much of this place survives? When we started, it was 3% would survive 16 years ago because I was 100% dependent on my being the product, even though we were in the Peak Performer stage.
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Chapter 6: How important is having a clear path in business?
Then we don't embarrass them or shame them in front of the rest of the team, but we don't let this stuff lay around. And consequently, we have an incredibly productive, wonderful culture where people trust each other and things move at the speed of trust.
When I was reading your book, I saw that you have a 90-day period for onboarding. We actually do this at YAP, and I've been loving it because within 90 days, if somebody is not able to get up to speed on a job, it's really great that they know and we know that there's like a probationary period for them and that they can be let go and there's no hard feelings. It didn't work out.
It's already pre-planned that they're going to get evaluated. So talk to us about that and how that's helped improve your hiring.
And it works the other way too, that for the team member, they don't have to sit and wring their hands and feel like they let everybody down or everybody's going to be mad or whatever. This is a probationary period. And so we don't require a two-week notice anyway, but you don't need a two-week notice. You just need to come in and go, you know, I'm just, this isn't working.
And we've had some funny ones, some weird ones over the years during that time. We had one guy come to work here about a year and a half ago, and he sat down, and we do a three-day in-depth onboarding. And after the three-day in-depth onboarding, he sat down at his desk, and he had like a panic attack. an anxiety thing. And he's like, I just can't do this. And we're like, what?
He goes, I, this, I, what I signed up for, I just, and he really even couldn't verbalize what was wrong, but he quit that day. Four days he'd been here. Well, that's better than 40 months of lack of productivity and everybody around him is frustrated and he's angry and he doesn't even know why. He couldn't even verbalize what the panic was from. But that's okay. I get it.
I mean, it's hilarious when we hired a kid that owned a landscaping company and he sold it. And he was like 22 years old or something. And he wanted to work in an office. He wanted to work in a white collar setting instead of pushing a lawnmower. And, you know, we went through the whole interview process, the whole onboarding thing. He was going to be in customer sales.
And he had put on the headset, sat down, started making calls, started taking calls. And he was there about two hours. And he like at lunch, he ripped the headset off, went running out the door. We never saw him again.
Oh, my God.
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