Young and Profiting with Hala Taha (Entrepreneurship, Sales, Marketing)
Mike Rowe: The Hidden Path to Wealth, Career Growth, and Business Success | Career | E343
Mon, 24 Mar 2025
Career success isn’t about degrees, corner offices, or chasing dreams. It’s about mastering valuable skills and seizing real opportunities. Before becoming a TV icon, Mike Rowe spent years jumping between industries, side hustles, and freelance gigs, working nearly 200 jobs. His willingness to embrace unconventional opportunities led to the creation of Dirty Jobs, one of Discovery Channel’s biggest franchises. In this episode, Mike shatters career myths, reveals why skilled trades and overlooked industries are goldmines for entrepreneurs, and shares the mindset shifts needed to achieve financial freedom in today’s job market. In this episode, Hala and Mike will discuss: (00:00) Introduction (01:20) Building a Flexible Mindset for Career Growth (09:42) Pitching Dirty Jobs and Facing Rejection (17:28) Why Chasing Opportunities Beats Passion (27:55) The Six-Figure Trade Jobs People Ignore (34:16) Shifting America’s View on Career Success (36:04) Debunking Trade Job Myths (41:24) Skilled Labor: The Future of Work (45:55) Entrepreneurs Building Wealth in Trades (54:27) How to Avoid Getting Stuck in Your Career (59:51) The Urgent Need to Prioritize Skilled Trades (01:07:06) How Pivoting Drives Business Growth Mike Rowe is an Emmy award-winning TV host, producer, narrator, and entrepreneur, best known for hosting Discovery Channel’s Dirty Jobs. He is also the founder of the mikeroweWORKS Foundation, which has awarded millions in scholarships to students pursuing trade careers. As a bestselling author, podcaster, and America’s top advocate for skilled trades, Mike challenges the stigma around blue-collar work and promotes skilled labor as a path to financial success. Sponsored By: Shopify - youngandprofiting.co/shopify OpenPhone: Streamline and scale your customer communications with OpenPhone. Get 20% off your first 6 months at openphone.com/profiting Airbnb - airbnb.com/host Indeed - indeed.com/profiting RobinHood - robinhood.com/gold Factor - factormeals.com/factorpodcast Rakuten - rakuten.com Microsoft Teams - aka.ms/profiting Resources Mentioned: Mike Rowe’s Foundation: mikeroweworks.org Mike Rowe’s Podcast, The Way I Heard It: https://apple.co/4bVOtLC About My Mother by Peggy Rowe: https://amzn.to/4c04L6h Vacuuming in the Nude by Peggy Rowe: https://amzn.to/4ksE1PT Active Deals - youngandprofiting.com/deals Key YAP Links Reviews - ratethispodcast.com/yap Youtube - youtube.com/c/YoungandProfiting LinkedIn - linkedin.com/in/htaha/ Instagram - instagram.com/yapwithhala/ Social + Podcast Services: yapmedia.com Transcripts - youngandprofiting.com/episodes-new Entrepreneurship, Entrepreneurship Podcast, Business, Business Podcast, Self Improvement, Self-Improvement, Personal Development, Starting a Business, Strategy, Investing, Sales, Selling, Psychology, Productivity, Entrepreneurs, AI, Artificial Intelligence, Technology, Marketing, Negotiation, Money, Finance, Side Hustle, Mental Health, Career, Leadership, Mindset, Health, Growth Mindset, Productivity, Startup, Business Ideas, Growth Hacks, Career Development, Money Management, Professionals, Workplace, Career Podcast.
Chapter 1: What is the secret to building a flexible career mindset?
People just don't believe you can make six figures working with your hands. There are 8.7 million open jobs. Most of them don't require a four-year degree. What they require is training and the mastery of a skill that's in demand.
A lot of people know you from your very, very famous show called Dirty Jobs.
Dirty Jobs became a hit in 2006. By 2008, it was the number one show on cable. There were 12 million people looking for jobs. But the crazy thing was on Dirty Jobs, everywhere we went, we saw help wanted signs. Those jobs are real. They're not vocational consolation prizes for people who can't do the other thing.
How do you feel about following your passion?
Just because you love something doesn't mean you can't suck at it. Follow your dreams. Follow your passion. The trap with that is...
Yeah, fam, I'm joined today by a huge figure in both television and podcasting, someone who's perhaps America's most celebrated blue-collar storyteller. I'm talking, of course, about Mike Rowe. Mike is an Emmy Award-winning TV host, producer, narrator, and podcaster. He's the creator and host of Dirty Jobs and the podcast The Way I Heard It, amongst many other things.
Before he was profiling America's Toughest Jobs, Mike was just trying to figure out his own path and get ready because his career is a masterclass in how to adapt and how to become a transformative content creator and storyteller. Mike, welcome to Young and Profiting Podcast.
Thank you. Do I still qualify as young? I mean, profiting, I understand, but I'm not sure the young thing still applies, but I'll take it.
Well, you're definitely profiting and you are young at heart. I know that for sure. And I interview people of all ages. I'm really trying to get your wisdom. And I know you've got so much to share today. So a lot of people know you from your very, very famous show called Dirty Jobs. But I found out that you had a really extensive career before that. And you did so many different jobs in the 90s.
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Chapter 2: How did Mike Rowe create and pitch Dirty Jobs?
His lance, in other words, was for sale. He was a freelance, not an inexpensive one, but he was free to work for anybody he wanted to. That attitude combined with the tools in the box my pop told me to assemble, a willingness to relocate whenever necessary, those things really informed the first 15 years of my career. And I loved that life.
I loved looking at every job like it had a beginning and a middle and an end. I enjoyed doing the best work that I could, but I also love knowing that I wasn't going to be tied to any particular project the way success demands. And so I carved out a really fun niche in the entertainment business where I owned virtually nothing. I was working on multiple projects at the same time.
I had clothing deals, for instance, with like American Eagle and Nordstrom's and Different shows had different deals. So I didn't really own any clothes except the ones I picked up in whatever town I landed in. I was working for American Airlines at the time doing a traveling show. So I had a free pass to travel anywhere in the world I wanted to. I had deals with hotels.
And so I was like a nomad for 15 years. I flew wherever the work was. I did the best I could on the job. And I mean, not to sound too cynical about it, but honestly, in those days, when I was in my late 20s and 30s, I was affirmatively looking for work and ideas that had been so poorly conceived that no amount of execution could possibly save them. That's the thing nobody talks about in Hollywood.
There's so many ideas and so many of them are bad. And if you associate yourself with these ideas that don't turn into hits, but do a good job working on them, you'll get a good reputation and you'll get hired. For virtually, I got hired a lot. I got hired for a lot of things I auditioned for. And I never really got punished for the fact that most of those things didn't actually work long term.
And so by the time I was 35, I realized I'd been taking my retirement in early installments. I'd been traveling a lot, working maybe seven months a year on projects that didn't really matter too much to me. But I didn't care because at that point in my life, it all made perfect sense. I'd made enough money to save and be comfortable, and I had enough time to enjoy myself.
And so for a long time, I thought I'd cracked the code. And I was pretty satisfied with all that until I wasn't.
Yeah. And then until you got famous, basically, with Dirty Jobs. So I was actually pretty surprised. to find out that you actually were the one who pitched Dirty Jobs to different networks and you're the one who came up with the idea. I had always thought you were just like the host of the show.
So talk to us about how you got the idea for Dirty Jobs and what was it like to actually bring that to market?
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Chapter 3: Why is chasing opportunities better than following passion?
You just mentioned that like you don't love to give advice, but I've heard you give some advice where you say, don't chase your passion, chase opportunity. And I think when you first were thinking about this dirty jobs concept, you were really chasing that opportunity of the fact that you were getting such a great reaction from people and it was exciting. And then that turned into your passion.
So I'd just love to hear a bit about that for all the young people listening. How do you feel about following your passion?
So much of what eventually came out of Dirty Jobs was an alternate compendium for living. And it was somewhat contrarian. I had seen, and I'm sure you and all your viewers have too, these successories, right? They hang on walls everywhere. They say things like, stay the course. And it'll be a picture of some guys maybe rowing in a shell or kayaking.
And at some point during Dirty Jobs, when it really blew up, I started to realize that the people I was working with almost always had a different take on conventional wisdom. So stay the course is a great example. It makes great sense to tell somebody to stay the course if they're going in the right direction. If they're not, it's probably the worst thing in the world you can tell them to do.
Never quit. Never give up. So to answer your question, if the subject is passion and the topic is your dream, then Well, I'd wager most people listening right now have been told from an early age, just as I was growing up, to follow your dream, and to never give up on your passion, and to be resilient, and to be stubborn in this regard.
And boy, sometimes that is great advice, but my God, the evidence to the contrary is voluminous. We've all seen American Idol, and we've all heard, you know, Beyonce, Lesnar, Lady Gaga and Cher and all the rock stars of our day say, look, never give up on that dream. I've heard them say it when they're standing there clutching their Grammys. And yet, what's the real lesson from American Idol?
The real lesson isn't the winner. It's the thousands of people who audition. And it's the many, many, many hundreds of those people many of whom are in their early 20s, who realize that, incredibly, they're not going to be the American Idol. In fact, many of them realize, to their wonder and horror, that they can't sing at all. And they realize it on national television.
As they're standing there, watching their dreams crumble around them, watching their passion drain out of them when they realize, like I said earlier, just because you love something doesn't mean you can't suck at it. And conversely, just because you don't feel passionate about a thing doesn't mean you can't change the way you feel about something.
I get a lot of pushback in this conversation, Hala, because it sounds like what I'm saying is screw your dreams. I don't care about your dreams. Don't follow your dreams. And then it's true. I am saying all those things. And I say them every day, many times to people who apply to our scholarship program. But I'm not saying your dreams aren't important.
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Chapter 4: What high-paying trade jobs are people ignoring?
And she said that I would have hung up on her and told her to stop drinking so early in the day. But all she said was, do something that looks like work. And it was just the right thing for her to say and just the right time for me to hear it. At 42, had this happened to me 10 years earlier, I would not have been able to handle the success of a show like Dirty Jobs.
I just wasn't mentally prepared for it. So you never know.
I just love the realistic approach that you take just to life and careers. And I feel like it's really smart because I see it all the time. People think they're going to become TikTok stars or Instagram stars or celebrities and actors and actresses.
And they waste so much time and they end up just not doing any work because they're waiting for like that big opportunity and they don't realize that it's all the hard work and the opportunities that don't look sexy that are actually going to get you to where you want to go.
I'm just sitting here nodding in violent agreement. It's back to cookie cutter advice, unfortunately. We all need to hear exactly what you just said at some point in our life, but we don't all need to hear that at the same time because we're on a trip. This is a journey. I just had this conversation with my mom again, not to drag her back into it, but it's really apropos.
This woman wrote every day for 60 years. I'm not even kidding. Her dream was to become a published writer. And she gave up on that dream after 40 years of beating her head against the wall. But she never stopped writing. She kept doing it because she knew the work. She found a passion in the work. Her dream of being a bestselling author was out the window until she turned 80.
Then she sold a manuscript and it went to number four on the New York Times bestseller list.
That's so amazing.
And then two years later, she freaking did it again. I mean, if you want the persistence rap, this is the story. She's 80 and she writes a book called About My Mother. She's 82 and she writes About Your Father. That thing also top 10. Then she writes Vacuuming in the Nude and Other Ways to Get Attention, which goes to number one.
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Chapter 5: How can you redefine career success in America?
And you've got this foundation, the micro foundation, you've done like over, I think, $12 million in scholarships, just absolutely amazing. And on your website, you say that America has declared a war on work and the casualties are all around us. So how has America made work the enemy?
Well, in a lot of ways, I think one way is exactly what we've been talking about. We've told kids that job satisfaction is a result of their ability to make their dreams a reality. It kind of starts with that. And so you put this incredible burden on a kid to say, look, if you want to be happy with your life, you need to identify right now the thing that's going to make you happy.
And then we'll embark upon a plan to borrow vast sums of money in order to get you the proper credentials that will permit you to pursue this goal. That's baked in. It's kind of like, not to digress, but it's like a soulmate. If you're out there looking for your soulmate, that's like looking for your dream job. It's really hard to find.
Better to find a job and then craft it into the thing you want. Better to find a good and decent person you can trust and then find a way to love him or her. I know I'm saying the same thing in a slightly different way, but we've got it so inculcated in the minds of this generation that they could be the next American Idol. All you have to do is want it bad enough.
So yeah, to that I do say bullshit. I'm sorry, but wanting a thing is not enough. So the first order of business is to get a more realistic set of expectations. Then you have to take an honest look at the opportunities that exist. Again, I'm not saying ignore your dreams.
I'm just saying take a breath and just push them aside for a minute and look around to where the opportunities really and truly are. Right now, there are 8.7 million open jobs. Most of them don't require a four-year degree. What they require is training and the mastery of a skill that's in demand. That's not my opinion. That's just the way it is.
Other facts worth thinking about are the $1.7 trillion in student loans that are currently on the books. That's a fact. It's a fact that most of the people who hold that debt don't even have a degree. Debt includes people who got halfway through a college experience and threw their hands up and said no. Well, yeah, you can walk away from the university, but you can't walk away from that debt.
It's a fact that many people who did graduate in their chosen field are either not working at all Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Chapter 6: Why should entrepreneurs consider skilled trades for wealth?
I had Cody Sanchez on the show and she talks about boring businesses and she's all about finding and buying boring businesses, main street businesses. And so she'll teach people how to value a business and kind of take it over and to stop worrying about just having a sexy business.
You can buy a roofing company and become a multimillionaire or a window cleaning company or a landscaping company or a laundromat, right? So it's just like real jobs. Doesn't have to be sexy. Doesn't have to be online. Can make you a lot of money.
So I'd love to hear some stories from you in terms of real entrepreneurs that are doing incredible work that you've met either on Dirty Jobs or maybe the students that come out of your scholarships and what they've been able to achieve and how... becoming an entrepreneur in this space is actually a really great financial opportunity.
My God, there's so many. Please hook me up with Ms. Sanchez.
I will, I will. She's awesome.
Yeah, I'd love to meet her. But I'd love to know too, before I answer you, how, I mean, you just described what you do in a pretty broad-based way, but like if you really distill it, what do you do? Like if you had a business card, what would it say? What's it come down to for you vocationally?
I scale personal brands, I guess, is like my main thing. Monetize personal brands, scale personal brands.
Okay. So I would go back to, I think, one of the very first things that came out when we started talking, which was my pop, if he were still around, would say, oh, this woman, this hollow woman, yeah, she's a tradeswoman, clearly. And if you pressed him, he would say, well, think about how she approaches work. She has many different clients.
She advises them in different ways, depending on their needs. She's a jobber, probably has short-term contracts with some, longer-term contracts with others. She's probably paid on her results at some point. At some point, you're going to say, well, if I grow your business to this degree, how can I participate? Or are you purely time and materials? I don't know.
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Chapter 7: How can you avoid getting stuck in your career?
And the 15 years I spent freelancing, I wouldn't trade for anything. I loved it. But neither would I trade where I am now. And really, I mean, I'll take my own advice, even though I couldn't master any of the trades I was interested in. my pop explained were beyond my grasp. I don't know if I've mastered anything necessarily, but I've become fairly facile at the things I get paid to do.
So I don't waste anybody's time. I know how to narrate. I can write. I know how to do what I'm good at. And so once you find that out, and maybe you've seen this in your own business, but I've done I don't know, probably seven shows starting with Dirty Jobs that are all out there. But the truth is, honestly, they're all the same show. I just change the title every few years.
Dirty Jobs, Somebody's Gotta Do It, People You Should Know, Returning the Favor, Six Degrees even, some history shows I've worked on. They're all a version of me tapping the country on the shoulder and saying, what about her? What about him? Get a load of that. Look at what they're doing over there. That's my brand to the extent that that can be a brand. That's my trade.
And that's why I asked you before, how do you really see yourself? And that, at the risk of contradicting myself, that is some advice that I would offer to really to anyone. It's really like take your own inventory and be really honest with yourself and ask yourself, how have you been defining yourself? Because who you are and what you do, it becomes more crystallized when you hang a label on it.
for better or worse. And so for me, it was useful for a while to see myself as a host and to see host in the credits. Okay, that's what Mike does. He's a host, and I'll work for a bunch of people being a host. But the truth is, I would probably still be doing that kind of thing had I not had that moment in the sewer. The Greeks call it a peripeteia.
It's a moment in the narrative when the hero of the story or the protagonist realizes that everything he thought he knew about himself was wrong. And it's like, those are the moments that I that I find myself most interested in, in, in people's lives. Not when they realized they were on the right track, but when they knew they were on the wrong one.
And like, if you're, if you're really interested in storytelling and you start to look for parapetias, you'll, you'll find them everywhere. You remember the sixth sense?
Yep.
That's a great example of a modern parapetia. You got Bruce Willis, spoiler alert, but you got Bruce Willis and he's a psychologist and he's helping this little kid who sees dead people. And all through the movie, their relationship develops and Bruce is very fond of this kid, but he's crazy, obviously.
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Chapter 8: Why is there an urgent need to prioritize skilled trades?
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