WTF with Marc Maron Podcast
Episode 1622 - Don Johnson
Mon, 03 Mar 2025 08:00:00 GMT
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Don Johnson’s life took him far from where he thought it was going growing up in Missouri and Kansas. But at this point, he’s confident that nearly everything he knows in life he learned from the women in it. Don talks with Marc about his wild days in San Francisco and LA, how he handled his sudden fame from Miami Vice, his friendship with Hunter S. Thompson, his career all the way up through his current show Doctor Odyssey, and his hard-fought journey toward enlightenment. Sign up here for WTF+ to get the full show archives and weekly bonus material! https://plus.acast.com/s/wtf-with-marc-maron-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Chapter 1: What lessons did Don Johnson learn from women in his life?
Hi, Backmarket hier. Die mit der erneuerten Technik, die dich weniger kostet. Wie dieser Laptop. Er kann alles, was ein Laptop so können muss. Schreiben, zocken, streamen, surfen, inkognito surfen. Einfach alles, was ein brandneuer Laptop kann. Aber der hier ist deutlich günstiger als neu. Denn er ist nicht neu. Er ist von Profis auf Herz und Nieren geprüft. Lock the gates!
Alright, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers, what the fuck buddies, what the fuck nicks, what's happening? I'm Marc Maron, this is my podcast WTF, welcome to it. What is going on? I gotta be honest with you, I'm just gonna go straight into it. We don't do this every year because it gets late for me to get this to Brendan before it's very late there.
I'm on the west coast, he's on the east coast, but I did just watch the Oscars. I watched them, because if you've been listening to this show for many years, you know that I love them. I grew up excited about the Oscars. I was kind of a film-nerdy kid, and I just liked seeing the movie stars. I liked seeing the movies that were nominated for Oscars.
When I was in high school, I liked talking about the movies with my buddy Devin, who, him and I were kind of heady, or we thought we were anyways, for... High school students and on through college. But the Oscars have a big place in my heart. And I've gone up and down with the Oscars over the years. But let me tell you something. This year's Oscars, my pal Conan O'Brien hosted this thing.
I didn't know how it was going to go. I never know what to expect. It doesn't seem to be a job that people really want to do anymore. But God damn it, if he didn't just nail the fuck out of it. He was so good. I can't even explain it. I'm excited. I had watched him. He came on my show at Largo last week to run some of the jokes. I remember asking if he was going to do a musical number.
He's like, no, I'm just going to do the jokes and bring people up. But he was underplaying it because that crew, that staff, his people, they really got him loaded up with good jokes. He was...
und konfident und fokussiert und einfach auf Feuer und wirklich warm war und es war wirklich einer der besten Oscars, die ich in einem langen Zeitraum gesehen habe und ich bin ein großer Kimmel-Fan als Host von diesem Show und ich habe immer genossen, wie er Dinge unterteilt, aber Conan hat etwas zurückgebracht und er hat etwas Freshes dazu gebracht und er hat es gemacht, He made it very present.
I'm not even sure how they did it, but some of it had to do with it was a classy production. I mean, the set was just stunning. It just it wasn't schmaltzy. It wasn't chintzy. There was not a lot of set pieces. There was a lot of audio visual effects and they just nailed it. It had this deco framework and
And they had the orchestra up behind the stage where you could kind of see it at times in the middle of the screen. It was really... It was a great night of entertainment and honors. I don't know. Listen to me. I'm fucking like I'm like I'm going crazy here. Let me talk about today's show today. Don Johnson, Hollywood Veteran, guy who's been around a long time, is on the show.
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Chapter 2: How did Don Johnson handle sudden fame after Miami Vice?
But there's some craving I have. And I think it's worth continuing to talk about to get out in the fucking world. You know, I mean, just be out in the world among people. I just, it feels important and I know it seems small, but it just feels important. Okay, look, Don Johnson. Don Johnson is an interesting character because everybody knows who Don Johnson is. And he's been in L.A.
He's been around this business for a long time, for a lot of generations. He's got a lot of stories. The season two premiere of Dr. Odyssey is this Thursday, March 6th at 9 p.m. 8 Central on ABC. You can also stream episodes on Hulu. But when I got the opportunity to talk to Don Johnson, how am I not going to talk to Don Johnson? Right. Here's me and Don Johnson.
Hi, Backmarket hier. Die mit der erneuerten Technik, die dich weniger kostet. Wie dieses Handy. Es kann alles, was Handys halt können. Nicht nur diesen nervigen Spam-Anruf ignorieren. Es kann texten, anrufen, chatten, snoozen, liken, entliken. Einfach alles, was ein brandneues Handy kann. Aber das hier ist deutlich günstiger. Denn es ist nicht neu. Es ist von Profis auf Herz und Nieren geprüft.
Look dude, so you like plants?
I like everything. Yeah, but you were looking up plants. When I don't recognize something. My father knew every tree in the forest. Really? Every tree in the forest, yeah. That was his thing? One of them? Well, one of them. One of the many things. But I kind of feel like that I'm... Are you? Yeah.
Are you going to play some music? No, I'm a comic. Oh, you're a comic too? I'm going to speak to my frightened fans and try to make them feel better about the state of the world in my dark way. So you're just now kind of like something settling down in your mind that enables you to start to enjoy life or look at where you live?
Yeah, I practice meditation. Really? Yeah, I'm a long time practitioner. Really? Of the original, like TM kind of deal? No, well, that's not the original. Okay. But we'll forgive you. Let me rephrase it. The original New Age Hollywood one? No. No? Old school? No, no. Me and Buddha, we're just like that. Oh, yeah?
Yeah. Now, I like the whole Buddhist idea. It seems to make sense to me. Philosophy. Yeah, just, you know, accept the big nothing. A big, it's a way of living to eliminate suffering. Now, how long have you been practicing that? I don't know, 30, 40 years? Ich sitze nur und meditiere. 20 Minuten? Nein, nein. Manchmal länger. Kannst du da hin? Oh ja. Ja?
Oh ja.
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Chapter 3: What was Don Johnson's experience in San Francisco's 60s scene?
I saw both my grandfathers preach. Were they like Baptist or what was it? So full on performance. Oh yeah. People crying and coming up and testifying. Tents or church? Well, my aunt, my mother's sister was a revival tent person. She's big. She came out here. Her name was Climina Bowling. Yeah? Yeah. It's quite a racket, that religious racket.
Yeah, I know. I can't figure out how I missed it. I went for the short money. Yeah. You had a shot. I had a shot. I had it right there in front of me to kind of audit. You had mentors. It was built in. It was all right there in front of me. It's not too late. No, you can always preach. It's not too late. And I got shit to say now.
Yeah, it would be an interesting sermon. Probably different than what your grandparents did. Way different. So you used to go see them... I'll tell you what mine wouldn't be. It wouldn't be based in fear. Yes. Exploiting people's fears. Yeah, yeah. No, it'd be some sort of hybrid. So it's not much difference between newscasters and preachers. Both in the fear business.
Yeah, instill the panic. Yeah. And provide a guiding hand. Yeah. Right to hell. Yeah. Yeah. So you do the conservatory thing. Now, was that challenging? Were you intimidated? American Conservatory Theater? Well, no, when you went after high school and she got you into that program.
Oh, in University of Kansas. Yeah, well, you know, I got... I got shown the ropes by a junior girl. Okay. And she took good care of me. Listen, let's just... A lot of girls in your life. Let's just declare this. Yes. Right away. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Ja. Anything serious?
Well, your daughter Dakota is a brilliant actress. Yeah, she is. Unbelievable. Yeah, she's pretty good. I mean, you must watch her and just be like, oh my God, she can really do it, dude. Well, I had that feeling the first time and then I kind of, then I got more in the mode of, well, that's a choice I wouldn't have made, but she pulled it off. Proud Dad to just another actor watching.
You know how comics watch other comics? Of course you do. It's never good. That's funny. Yeah, that's funny. I do a bit like that. She got that from me. So you do that program and you come out to L.A. Did you feel confident? I mean, you've done a bunch of theater. What did you do up there?
At the American Conservatory Theater? No, in Kansas. Yeah, I did theater and repertory and then I studied regular theater. Okay, in San Francisco. Und was war das Jahr? 68. So it must have been crazy. It was fantastic. I was 18 years old on the heels of the Summer of Love and San Francisco and I'm the only fucking straight guy. Yeah.
They were waiting for you. It's like they sent out an invitation for one. So that was before the 60s got weird and bad. So it was just hippies and fun, huh? Well, it was on the cusp of getting bad. By 69 it was pretty boarded up. I should have gotten the hint then because that's my generation right there. And then I went on to see my generation completely screw up the whole fucking world.
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Chapter 4: What are the highlights of Don Johnson's acting career?
We didn't actually hook up until a year later. Was it Patty Darbenville? Patty Darbenville, yeah. Yeah, Darbenville, yeah. She was a factory regular, right? Oh, yeah. Well, it must have been kind of interesting to deal with the difference between the San Francisco idea of the 60s.
Ha, ha, ha. Yeah.
And I had an incredible time there. Did you see Velvet Underground? Were they there? Oh, yeah. They were all in my movie. Oh, my God. This is crazy. And Jimi Hendrix. Really? Everybody, yeah. Now, were you hanging out? Could you talk to them? Yeah, I was in this club called Hippopotamus. It was on 54th Street. And a friend of mine handed me a little vial of cocaine. Was that the first time?
Well, it wasn't the first time. I'd be lying if I said it was the first time. But he didn't have anything to do it with. I said, you got a spoon, you got a straw, what do you got? Because I certainly didn't have any money to roll up. I was a bum. A key is always the way to go.
You got a key. A key to nothing. So I went downstairs, the men's room was downstairs, and I went in and I dumped it on my hand.
I started it up and I
Ja. Ja. Ja. He took care of you. Yeah, he took care of me. That's funny, man. And then you come back to L.A. And then after that, with a little experience under your belt. A little experience under my belt. Came back to L.A. and starved. Yeah. Coke. If you make a bad movie on your first movie, they want you to suffer. But was it even on the radar? I mean, did the movie come out? It came out.
Excuse me. So how long were you starving? On and off for 15 years. And were you involved with Patty? No, not until I was in my 30s. So where's the boozing and the drugging come in?
Well, I did a lot of it during my 20s. Then I got sober in my 30s, 32. And I didn't fall off the wagon until I was 42. And then I was out for a couple of years. Yeah, I got, what do I got? I'm in my 25th year. Awesome, I got about 30. Yeah, it's better, right?
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Chapter 5: How does Don Johnson view the current state of Hollywood?
Well, Michael Mann didn't really come on the show until after... I had already met with Tony Yerkovich. Michael came on as a producer because Brandon Tartikoff and Universal wanted somebody to hold their hand. Because basically Thomas Carter, the director, and the rest of us, who all came out of independent films, we made that movie. We went in and we made it. And Michael, bless his heart,
Brought in a couple of nice additions, like a feature production designer named Mel Bourne. And Michael set it up for success, but he didn't write a script and he never directed an episode. That's interesting because there is a vibe that feels like man.
Yeah, but that's because he created it. He says he created the marketing around the show that it was Michael Mann's. Miami Vice. Und er wollte, dass Philipp und ich zwei Schüsse machen. Und ich kam sofort dazu. Und ich sagte, Philipp, ich habe ihn darauf eingelassen, was da war, dass wir die Arbeit machen werden, aber Michael wird die Kredite nehmen.
Ich sagte, wenn wir in eine Szene gehen, nimmst du einen Teil der Raum und ich nehme den anderen. Also muss er dich separat bewegen. Er muss sich bewegen. Aber er hatte nicht viel kreative Input? Nein.
You can't say that about Michael because, you know, he thinks he's the smartest man and most creative man in the room. I've talked to him. He made some good movies, dude. He made some okay movies. Wow, okay. I mean, I'm being serious. Collateral is a pretty good movie. Last of the Mohicans is a pretty good movie. Heat is a pretty good movie. Heat is a fucking masterpiece. Alright.
That was when he was still hungry. Right. And wasn't drinking his own Kool-Aid. Did you know James Caan? Very well. Good guy. Yeah, he was very... I knew him since I was 18. Where'd you meet him? At the pool hall. He was a tough guy. So he thought. Not a Kansas tough guy. Brooklyn Butchers Kids, tough guy. Yeah. He seemed fun.
Yeah, he's okay. Who are your good friends here? Hunter Thompson was my best buddy for a long time. That guy's the best. Man, God rest his soul.
Fucking best. I'm mad at myself, because I was up in San Francisco on a little bit of a tear with my buddy Jack. I don't know, it must have been the mid to late 90s. And Hunter, we ended up at Tosca after this long night drinking. Yeah. Und er war da. Und er war auf der anderen Seite davon. Er sah ziemlich los. Aber ich habe nicht gesagt, hallo.
Ich weiß nicht, was es zu tun hätte, aber ich regiere mich.
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Chapter 6: What insights does Don Johnson share about his family?
I mean people who you were once close with and then they became something different. I don't think that that's particularly isolated to fame. I think throughout life you change and different things become more common. Ja. Ja. sind in diesem unglaublichen Ort, wo du... Ich meine, irgendwo auf der Art und Weise habe ich Selbstdauer verloren. Ja. Irgendwo auf der Art und Weise wurde ich verfügbar.
Und irgendwo auf der Art und Weise habe ich gelernt, wie man liebt und wie man geliebt wird. Oh, wirklich? Also das ist ein Trick. Ja. Warte, lass mich dich jetzt von einem persönlichen Ansatz aus fragen. Now, before you learned how to love and be loved, what was the obstacle? What were you understanding as love and being loved before that?
Well, this is just me speculating here, but it feels like to me that when you're born into the world, you have a support system that ostensibly is supposed to love you. Exactly. Right. Ostensibly. Parents. Parents. Yes. But when your support system turns on you and you're fearful, you get the idea that maybe you're not worthy. Yes. You put that voice in your head.
Well, that voice is created in your head. To parent you. To parent you. Yeah. Und sobald diese Stimme in deinem Kopf geht, beginnt es, all diese Verhalten zu erzeugen. Du beginnst, Narrative zu generieren, wie ich auf ihrer guten Seite sein kann, weil ich sie brauche. Ja. Und so schaffst du es, um zu überleben. Deine Eltern und dein Kind.
Und du steckst mit ihrer Manipulation oder Verbrechen oder was auch immer. Let's contain this a little bit. Because they're just like you. They're just kids that are trying to recover from their parents. And so what we are, pretty much, is DNA, conditions, and environment. That's it. And blaming your parents... ist ungefähr so unnötig wie ein Titt auf einem Bogen. Ja.
Denn je später du all das überstehen kannst und in den Wert des Lernens über diese Leben auf deiner eigenen Seite gehst, und du lernst, was dir dient und was nicht, desto schneller wirst du aus dem Schmerz fliehen.
So, so ultimately you have to make the shift from, you know, anger and resentment to empathy. Accept and surrender. Acceptance, yeah, yeah, yeah. Accept and surrender. Now, how old were you when this all came together?
It's been a project. I had, Eckhart totally asked me one time, he said, he said, hey man, he said, when did you, when did you get enlightened? And I said, What are you saying? What are you blaspheming over there about? I said, this is the first I'm hearing of it. And he said, oh, yeah, you have some awareness, you know.
I said, well, I said, if it's anything, I said, I'm reminded by that statement by Buddha that, you know, sometimes enlightenment can come to you just snap of the finger, just like that. Then other times you have to
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Chapter 7: How has meditation influenced Don Johnson's life?
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