We Can Do Hard Things
No More Grind: How to Finally Rest with Tricia Hersey (Best Of)
Sun, 23 Mar 2025
1. The Nap Ministry’s Nap Bishop shares small, concrete ways to bring rest into our own lives – especially when rest seems impossible. 2. Why so many of us feel like machines instead of humans – and the power of imagination as a spiritual practice to reconnect with our humanity and divinity. 3. Why grind culture – a collaboration of capitalism and white supremacy – wants to keep us exhausted, and how we can resist a culture of overwhelming busy-ness. 4. Why everything changes when we embrace ease as our birthright. 5. Creative ways to reimagine rest within our hectic daily lives. About Tricia Tricia Hersey is a Chicago native who has called Georgia home for the last 12 years. She has over 20 years of experience as a multidisciplinary artist, writer, theologian and community organizer. She is the founder of The Nap Ministry, an organization that examines rest as a form of resistance and reparations by curating spaces for the community to rest via community rest activations, immersive workshops, performance art installations, and social media. Her research interests include Black liberation theology, womanism, somatics, and cultural trauma. She is the author of the upcoming book Rest is Resistance: A Manifesto which will be published in October 2022. You can learn more about her work and the book at thenapministry.com. TW: @TheNapMinistry IG: @thenapministry To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: Who is Tricia Hersey and what is The Nap Ministry?
Hello, everybody. Welcome to We Can Do Hard Things. We are here with Trisha Hersey. Trisha Hersey is a Chicago native who has called Georgia home for the last 12 years. She has over 20 years of experience as a multidisciplinary artist, writer, theologian, and community organizer.
She is the founder of the Knapp Ministry, an organization that examines rest as a form of resistance and reparations by curating spaces for the community to rest in via community rest activations, immersive workshops, performance art installations, and social media. Her research interests include Black liberation theology, womanism, somatics, and cultural trauma.
She is the author of Rest is Resistance, a manifesto. You can learn more about Trisha's extremely important and brilliant work. and her book at thenapministry.com.
Trisha, welcome. Oh my goodness. Thank you. I love that good bio read. It's very much like black church, you know, in the black church when the visiting reverend comes and they sit and they read his amazing bio or her bio and the person sits there and they just kind of like take it in. I did that. You did that. Yeah. You're like, OK, thank you. That's beautiful. Thank you.
I'm excited to talk with you guys.
Okay?
Okay. So I'm going to do it because I just feel it. So you started the nap ministry. Yes. Trisha. But in diving deeply into your work over the last few weeks, what I said to sister yesterday is I feel like calling... Trisha's work that not ministry would be like calling Jesus's work, a walking ministry. It's so deep and so important.
So my sister said, just please don't say the thing about Jesus and walking. So I said the thing.
Clearly, look sister, we made it through. You made it through. We made it through. And I was thinking, It's more like calling the reproductive justice movement about the right to choose when really it's about liberation. And your work is not about naps. It's about liberation.
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Chapter 2: How does grind culture relate to capitalism and white supremacy?
Because they're going to say we can do no thing.
Give them some grace. You are a revolution. For the rest of you, I'm just going to repeat, please. The upcoming book is called Rest is Resistance. Our copies, Trish, I'll just send you some pictures. Highlight it. Underline. I'm sure that's not how we're supposed to be reading it.
I love a highlight. I love underline. Write in the books. That's my favorite thing. Yes.
Okay. Rest is Resistance, a manifesto. And you can learn more about Trish's work and the book at The Nap ministry.com. Get ready. Everybody go visit Tricia. Tricia. Thank you so much for goodness.
I've had so much fun. What if we all played with the question? Everyone who's listening to this play with the question of it. Instead of asking yourself, what do I need to do today? And in this life to get free, to fight for freedom. What if you said that, What if I'm already free? How would I act? And how would I fight if I were already free?
That's it. That's the imagination word. Yes, ma'am. That's the question.
That's why everyone's going to be quitting and then my team's not going to be there. Yeah. This is my resignation. Everyone ask themselves that question except for Sister Dina and Allison. Thank you, Trisha. We love you. We believe in you. Go forth and rest. Thank you so much, guys.
We'll talk soon. Bye. Okay.
Bye.
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Chapter 3: What historical context is behind the concept of rest as resistance?
Our executive producer is Jenna Wise-Berman, and the show is produced by Lauren LaGrasso, Alison Schott, Dina Kleiner, and Bill Schultz.