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The Future of Ukraine ... and a US Consumer Agency. More on Black Hawk Crash
Sat, 15 Feb 2025
Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy appeals to Europe for support as President Trump changes U.S. foreign policy. A tumultuous week at the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. More details about the Jan. 29 aerial crash near Washington, D.C.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy
Chapter 1: What is the main topic of this episode?
World leaders meet in Munich to discuss the fate of Ukraine.
Now that President Trump has abruptly changed U.S. foreign policy toward that country's war with Russia.
I'm Ayesha Roscoe.
And I'm Scott Simon, and this is Up First from NPR News. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky calls for security guarantees in any peace agreement.
Right now, Ukraine's army, supported by global aid, thank you so much, is holding back Russia. But if not us, then who will stop them? We'll have more on that.
Plus, a tumultuous week at a federal consumer protection agency.
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Chapter 2: How has President Trump changed U.S. policy towards Ukraine?
And more on last month's fatal plane crash outside of Washington, D.C.
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President Trump has called for a speedy end to Russia's war in Ukraine.
And is pressing Zelensky for concessions.
NPR's Ukraine correspondent Joanna Kakisis joins us from Kyiv. Joanna, thanks for being with us.
Thanks for having me, Scott.
And this has been a very important few days, the Security Conference in Munich, hasn't it, for Ukraine?
Yeah. Scott, it's given Zelensky an opportunity to publicly advocate for his country, surrounded by European allies who want to see Ukraine in the strongest possible position going into any negotiations to end the war. And Scott, this is important because the U.S., Ukraine's strongest single ally, is now speaking directly to Russia, the country that invaded Ukraine and continues to attack it.
President Trump says he plans to visit Russia. His Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has poured cold water on two of Ukraine's most important goals, joining NATO and getting back all of its territory occupied by Russia. And these developments have really unsettled Ukrainians.
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Chapter 3: What are the challenges faced by the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau?
Well, staff are bracing for even further cuts. According to a legal complaint by CFPB's union, they're expecting that perhaps 95 percent of all employees could be fired. A reporter asked President Trump on Monday whether his goal was to have CFPB totally eliminated, and Trump said yes.
But for now, a federal judge ruled yesterday that they can't conduct layoffs at CFPB at least through March 3rd when a hearing is scheduled, and they can't delete any agency data either.
Laurel, remind us, the Bureau was created in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis, but what does it do?
That's right. That's when millions of Americans lost their homes due to lax lending standards, and it brought the global economy tumbling with it. The Dodd-Frank Act established the Bureau to prevent such a disaster from happening again.
At a high level, what the Bureau is supposed to do is that it's been tasked by Congress to regulate consumer financial products and services like credit cards, mortgages, etc., So consumer protection responsibilities are now unified under one agency that's tasked with being on the side of the consumer against big banks and financial services companies. And it's really done a lot.
I mean, just in recent months, it's made rules capping credit card late fees and overdraft fees. It sued the payment app Zelle and the banks that operate it, saying they didn't protect consumers from fraud. And it sued Capital One for advertising a high-yield checking account that paid close to zero in interest.
Why has the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau become such a target for some now?
Well, all those actions I just mentioned have made it unpopular with some Republicans, as well as big banks and Silicon Valley. They say the Bureau is too heavy-handed in its regulation, and they argue it's overstepped its authority. And you know, if it wasn't so politicized, CFPB would be an unlikely target for cost-cutting.
Since its launch in 2011, it's returned more than $21 billion to Americans by means such as returning fees, canceling debt, reducing loans. And it's done that on a pretty small budget for a federal agency.
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Chapter 4: How is Ukraine seeking support from Europe?
We've also heard about the speculation that the two pilots just may not have seen each other's aircraft. The crew of the helicopter in particular may have mistaken another plane for the one into which they crashed. What do investigators say about that now?
Well, investigators did say that the crew of the American jet did pull up aggressively just before the impact, indicating that they likely saw the helicopter at the very last moment.
In addition, they did confirm the Blackhawk crew was likely wearing night vision goggles, and they acknowledged there is some concern in an area with a lot of aircraft lights and city lights that it could have been difficult to see the airplane. Chair Homendy says the NDSB will conduct a visibility study to try to determine what the pilots could and could not see.
Aviation reporter David Schaefer, thanks so much.
You're welcome, Scott.
And that's up first for Saturday, February 15th. I'm Aisha Roscoe.
And I'm Scott Simon.
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Chapter 5: What is the significance of the Munich Security Conference for Ukraine?
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