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Insurgency in Syria; South Korea's Political Chaos; Pope Creates 21

Sat, 07 Dec 2024

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Syrian rebels continue their push south in an effort to take more territory as government forces fail to hold them back. Plus, there are calls for the South Korean president to resign after he tried to declare martial law. And, Pope Francis promotes 21 men as new cardinals.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

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Chapter 1: What are the latest developments in the Syrian conflict?

2.549 - 27.172 Alyssa Nadworny

Syrian rebels are gaining momentum as they push their way towards the city of Homs. Government forces were unable to stop the insurgents from taking five towns in less than two weeks. I'm Alyssa Nadwarny. And I'm Ayesha Roscoe, and this is Up First from NPR News. Syrian forces are battling to keep insurgents out of the strategically crucial city of Homs.

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27.592 - 50.388 Alyssa Nadworny

We'll have the latest developments on this story. Plus, in South Korea, political chaos after the president declared martial law. He's now facing calls to resign as lawmakers fight over whether to impeach him. We'll have the latest from Seoul. Plus, Pope Francis promotes 21 men to the Catholic Church's College of Cardinals. Stay with us. We have the news you need to start your weekend.

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60.6 - 67.823 Ayesha Roscoe

A new chapter has started in the long-running Syrian civil war, after a coalition of rebel forces took several key cities.

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68.224 - 78.669 Alyssa Nadworny

They haven't faced much opposition from government forces until today, as they fight to make their way to the city of Homs, less than 90 miles away from the capital Damascus.

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78.989 - 84.631 Ayesha Roscoe

NPR's Jane Araf is in the Kurdish region of northern Iraq, near the Syrian border. Good morning, Jane.

84.972 - 85.792 Jane Araf

Good morning, Alyssa.

86.266 - 94.309 Ayesha Roscoe

So since this offensive started some two weeks ago, we've seen developments on the ground moving at a lightning pace. What's the latest?

95.249 - 108.176 Jane Araf

Well, the speed and the pace of this offensive is astonishing. A monitoring group, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, now says that opposition fighters are just a few miles from the gates of the capital, Damascus.

108.797 - 130.553 Jane Araf

They earlier took Daraa province, which was the start of the uprising that led to civil war more than a decade ago, and they appear close to be taking the major city of Homs, which would allow the opposition to isolate regime forces in coastal areas, Latakia and Tartus, which are key to President Bashar al-Assad's support.

Chapter 2: What political chaos is happening in South Korea?

201.966 - 217.254 Muaz Mustafa

its logistical hub in the Middle East. It has lost its connection of Tehran and Baghdad to Beirut or Damascus or the border of Jordan or the border of the Golden Heights or the border of Israel.

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217.958 - 236.989 Jane Araf

So there are a lot of borders there, as you can see. And while speaking, Mustafa was getting calls from other activists who have been working for years for this moment and what they hope will follow. Thirteen years of gathering opposition forces, getting international support, building cases of war crimes against Syrian officials.

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237.73 - 256.642 Jane Araf

You know, in this region, Syria for centuries has been considered sort of the beating heart of the Middle East. And between the civil war, the Syrian regime actions and sanctions, the country has been shattered. So for the opposition, it seems like the first time in a decade that there's a real chance of building a new Syria.

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257.282 - 263.867 Jane Araf

But, Alyssa, to do that, obviously, they'll have to include regime supporters and what is still a divided opposition.

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264.505 - 273.152 Ayesha Roscoe

So refugees are obviously a huge concern here. Five million people fled Syria during the civil war. Would some of these Syrians go back in the event of a regime change?

273.952 - 297.01 Jane Araf

Yeah. You know, a generation has been born as refugees outside their own country. And right now their families are glued to their phones watching news coverage, showing split screens with the rebel advances. If it were safe enough and they could rebuild their homes, many of them would return to Syria tomorrow. That's NPR's Jane Araf. Jane, thank you so much. Thank you.

305.516 - 312.721 Alyssa Nadworny

There's unprecedented political upheaval in South Korea this week, which started with the president declaring martial law.

313.021 - 324.611 Ayesha Roscoe

The parliament immediately reversed that order and threatened to impeach the president. But whether they can succeed with impeachment is unclear. NPR's Anthony Kuhn joins us from Seoul with the latest. Good morning.

325.072 - 325.573 Anthony Kuhn

Hi, Alyssa.

Chapter 3: How is the Syrian insurgency affecting Iran?

352.107 - 354.709 Ayesha Roscoe

You were in parliament today. What was it like?

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355.387 - 375.377 Anthony Kuhn

I couldn't make it in. I was struggling to get through the massive crowds outside. Organizers estimated a million people there. Police put it at less than 150,000. It certainly reminded everybody of 2017 when there were huge protests and South Korea's first female president, Park Geun-hye, was impeached and later jailed on corruption charges.

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376.097 - 396.669 Anthony Kuhn

Many of the people I spoke there with said they felt that they owed it to themselves and to their families and to history to be there. I spoke to a 60-year-old retired teacher named Lee In Son, and when she was a college student in the 1980s, students who protested against the then military government were often arrested, beaten, and tortured. And here's what she said.

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402.103 - 417.827 Anthony Kuhn

She said, seeing martial law declared this week, all the nightmares from that time came back. I couldn't sleep and I was speechless for days. I became a teacher later and I think I've had a comfortable life since and the times have changed. But this feeling of returning to the 80s, the rage was unbearable.

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418.627 - 428.859 Anthony Kuhn

We should note that Yoon's supporters, President Yoon Sung-yeol's supporters, were also out there holding their demonstrations. And that's a reminder that the country is politically deeply divided and polarized.

429.901 - 434.066 Ayesha Roscoe

Anthony, what have lawmakers been saying about the president declaring martial law on Tuesday night?

434.946 - 454.316 Anthony Kuhn

Well, they say that martial law is supposed to be declared in case of emergencies like war or natural disasters. Yoon said he declared it because the opposition was blocking his bills, dogging him and his wife over corruption scandals. And opposition lawmakers say he tried to use the military to arrest top lawmakers, which you can't do under martial law.

462.621 - 462.821 Ayesha Roscoe

Hmm.

Chapter 4: What challenges do Syrian refugees face?

463.925 - 470.539 Ayesha Roscoe

What does this political uncertainty mean for the relationship between South Korea and the U.S. ?

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471.394 - 490.881 Anthony Kuhn

Well, it looks like Yoon is going to keep his job for now. But his problem is that polls in South Korea show that 70% of the people think he should be impeached. And so it's highly likely that large-scale protests will continue. Now, the U.S. counts on South Korea for many things. Investment in trade, dealing with the North Korean nuclear issue.

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491.281 - 502.689 Anthony Kuhn

And it generally sees South Korea as an ally that helps it to promote democracy. and defend the liberal international order. But South Korea may be consumed, possibly for months, with defending its own democratic order.

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503.89 - 508.934 Ayesha Roscoe

NPR's Anthony Kuhn in Seoul, thanks for your reporting on this political chaos.

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509.294 - 510.095 Anthony Kuhn

You're welcome, Alyssa.

519.144 - 532.833 Alyssa Nadworny

Pope Francis is carrying out a major batch of promotions. He's created 21 new cardinals. But who are these new cardinals and how will they help shape or reshape the Catholic Church under Pope Francis?

Chapter 5: Why did South Korea's president declare martial law?

533.294 - 544.041 Ayesha Roscoe

Claire Giangrave covers the Vatican and her work is produced through a collaboration between NPR and Religion News Service. Good morning, Claire. Hello. So what can you tell us about these 21 men?

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545.356 - 572.838 Claire Giangrave

First of all, these men come from six different continents. Some represent very small Catholic communities from places like Japan and Serbia and Iran. It really is to show that Pope Francis wants to move the center of power in the Vatican away from the West and more towards a globalized church that can represent 1.3 billion believers around the world.

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573.098 - 578.642 Ayesha Roscoe

Hmm. I understand that you've had a chance to talk to some of the latest cardinals. What did you learn about their backgrounds?

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Chapter 6: What is the status of the impeachment efforts in South Korea?

579.162 - 596.232 Claire Giangrave

Well, the Vatican invited journalists to meet six of the new cardinals on Friday. And what really struck me is that these men are really representing the underdogs, not just in the political spectrum, but also when it comes to church teaching. For example, I spoke to a bishop born in Ukraine.

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596.752 - 619.883 Claire Giangrave

who at 44 is going to be the youngest cardinal of the College of Cardinals, and this likely means that he'll see plenty of conclaves. He made an impassioned speech for the plight of the Ukrainian people and how much he hopes that this position will help him speak to the Pope about what needs to be done to bring peace. The same can be said to the Chilean bishop of Palestinian origins,

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620.563 - 631.33 Claire Giangrave

who was made a cardinal, and he also talked about how much there is a need to come to a solution in Gaza and bring peace and resolution to the conflict there.

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632.091 - 655.591 Claire Giangrave

And talk about underdog, the Dominican friar Timothy Radcliffe was basically sidelined for 50 years of his ministry, where he challenged church teaching on inclusivity and welcoming towards marginalized groups, and especially women or LGBTQ Catholics. And it really reflects what kind of vision Pope Francis has for the future of the church.

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656.132 - 661.701 Ayesha Roscoe

Yeah, so what is that vision? How has the role of being a cardinal changed under Pope Francis? What's different now?

662.221 - 690.895 Claire Giangrave

Well, Pope Francis has remade the the College of Cardinals. This is the 10th time in his papacy that he adds new members to the crop. At this point, he has selected the majority of people who will decide who his successor is, 80% in fact. It's a way for him to cement his legacy. But he's also changed dramatically what it means to be a Once upon a time, they were considered princes of the church.

691.036 - 704.483 Claire Giangrave

They had comfy lodgings and they couldn't be fired or tried if they did something wrong. That's no longer true under Pope Francis. In fact, during the mass that Pope Francis usually does after a consistory.

704.923 - 709.485 Ayesha Roscoe

And the consistory is the ceremony where they become new cardinals. Is that right?

709.946 - 733.527 Claire Giangrave

Yes, correct. the Pope has taken to delivering a finger-wagging speech to the cardinals, telling them that this is not a time for them to settle down and relax. In fact, it's a moment for them to really come forward and be of service to their communities and represents the needs of this incredibly diverse and growing reality that is the Catholic Church.

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