On this very special bonus episode of Truth In The Barrel, Amy is joined by none other than her mom, Dr. Marianne McGrath, to discuss the HHS decision to no longer recommend the Covid vaccine for “healthy children” or pregnant women. *This episode was recorded on May 29th,2025, and aired on June 2nd, 2025 About Truth in the Barrel: Amy and Denver are both military veterans, political junkies, and whiskey lovers who sit on opposite sides of the aisle but have one thing in common: they love the United States of America. Truth in the Barrel was born of Amy & Denver’s commitment to country, the Constitution, and a well-curated collection of the world’s finest bourbon. Join them weekly for deep dives into timely topics, interviews with recognizable guests, and a dose of call-in fun. Visit Our Website: www.TruthintheBarrel.com Subscribe to Truth in the Barrel: https://www.youtube.com/@TruthIntheBarrel Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0JQcSj5mwVyGDJ8DcXwlu9?si=5f2bd1d1b0c64e6f Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/truth-in-the-barrel/id1804092329 Instagram, BlueSky, Facebook, TikTok: @TruthintheBarrel
Chapter 1: What did the HHS announcement regarding COVID vaccines state?
Welcome to Truth in the Barrel, small batch edition. I'm Amy McGrath. Just yesterday, we learned that the COVID shot in America is not recommended for healthy kids and pregnant women. That was from the Department of Health and Human Services. And today we have a special guest to talk about this. my mom, Dr. Marianne McGrath, who's been a pediatrician, a medical doctor for over 50 years.
And the reason why I wanted to have mom on to talk about this, because when this headline came down, I had a lot of questions about, I have children like many of you, and, you know, I've I wanted to know, is this for real? Is this politics? Or what's the medical science behind it? So I'm really happy to welcome mom, Dr. McGrath. Thank you for coming on The Small Batch. You're welcome.
All right, let's get started. RFK Jr. said in his confirmation hearing that he didn't want to take vaccines away. But here we are. And this health and human services sort of dictation, I guess, that says that now in America, kids, healthy kids should not get the COVID shot. I want to start out by saying, or by asking you, like, what's this all about?
Chapter 2: What are the implications of RFK Jr.'s statements on vaccines?
Do you think this is just political because the guy doesn't like vaccines?
Well, history speaks, doesn't it? We know that this man in this position is totally unqualified for the position. We knew that going in. We also know he has a long history as an anti-vaxxer. And we know that most people in confirmation hearings are going to say what the people who are going to confirm them want them to say. But actions speak louder than words.
Chapter 3: Why is the lack of scientific justification concerning?
As far as we know, there is absolutely no scientific reason to have made this statement. And that's quite counter to the way that decisions about vaccinations, being warranted or not has been made in this country in the past.
Normally, when you go to make a change in any kind of recommendation, there's a panel invoked for the best scientific information and thinking about the change that's about to be considered. There has been no such panel invoked in this decision, which is very concerning because One has to ask is, is this the way things are going to be done in the future?
At the whim of a person who chooses to swim in sewer water?
And you're talking about RFK Jr., the Secretary of Health and Human Services. And I should note that we do not have a CDC director at the moment. The NIH director, the National Institute of Health, has said this is, quote, saying that kids and pregnant women should not get this vaccine is, quote, common sense and good science.
And it sounds like, mom, this is not good science and it's not based on any medical data.
Do you agree with that? It's absolutely. That's absolutely true. And, you know, common sense. No common sense. If it's enlightened with past experience and a bit of science says that where vaccines are present, disease is down. And that's still the case. And so where can we look for verification for this work?
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Chapter 4: What do medical organizations say about vaccine recommendations?
Just within the past week, we've had statements from, for example, the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology, from the American Academy of Pediatrics, all issuing their concerns that, hey, wait a minute, this isn't so. There's no good reason to do this. And you're talking about vulnerable populations.
You know, it's interesting because we have some idea, unfortunately, of what it's like when misinformation goes out about what to do about a pandemic or a particular illness, a virus, whatever. Because when COVID appeared, it appeared in a place where it had never been or never recognized. And it was devastating. And the misinformation
that came from the top in this country was the bane of many people's existence. And yet there were reality tests like, you know, cold freezers, trucks outside of hospitals because the death rate was increasing at such an alarming concern. Well, you know, we were able to vaccinate many people and over
Chapter 5: How does misinformation affect public health decisions?
the years since that appearance of the pandemic, some people have developed immunity, some because of the vaccinations, some good immunity because of vaccinations and boosters, and some immunity because they themselves had contracted the illness and survived. And we need to look at that because we're talking about an illness that has the potential to kill people, and it's still doing that.
What was interesting to me, Mom, about this new advice from HHS is the fact that they said, hey, if your children are healthy, they don't need to get the shot. And I was thinking to myself, well, okay, so unhealthy kids should get the vaccine, but healthy kids shouldn't. And then pregnant women. Pregnant women shouldn't get the shot. Really?
Like, to me, I'm like, is there something that pregnancy changes you that you can't get COVID? Like, I still understand the logic there.
Well, you know, that's interesting that you say that, because I think, you know, the current thinking and understanding is that actually pregnancy is a time of greater risk for illness, not only for the pregnant mother, but also for the fetus, of course.
And so any significant illness, flu, let's look at another viral illness common in our society, is much more likely to cause problems for the woman and the fetus if contracted during the pregnancy. That's why we recommend flu shots for pregnant mothers. Not only that, but
when a when a baby is born in the first six months of life um it retains some of the antibodies that were passed to it from the mother so the mother becomes in effect a way of inoculating the baby that little one in the first six months against these illnesses um we don't recommend
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Chapter 6: What is the risk of COVID-19 during pregnancy?
COVID shots for infants in the first six months of life because we're hopeful that mother has protected both herself and her baby during her pregnancy. And children up until age two are really at greater risk for complications from a COVID infection.
Which include not only the immediate complications of the way the illness is expressing itself, for example, respiratory difficulties and so on, but also for the really serious complication of long COVID. Yeah. And, you know, vaccinations... help protects against long COVID.
Chapter 7: Why are vaccines recommended for pregnant women?
We don't have tons of data because after all, we've been collecting data until it was stopped only for the past few years because of the occurrence of the pandemic. But there's definite evidence that tells us that vaccination will help to prevent the existence of long COVID in someone who becomes infected if they have had a vaccination.
Yeah, and the reason that I wanted to do this small batch episode, and people need to know that when the headline came out and it deals with a lot of medical stuff, the first person that I call
is my mom okay because look we're all sort of experts in different things right i mean i i know a lot about the military i know a lot about national security but when it comes to like vaccines and uh what's going on in public health you know mom i call you so the first thing i did on the drive home yesterday was call you and you
You gave the answers to my very basic questions and I felt like, wow, everybody needs to hear this. And one of the things that you brought up yesterday was that the consequences of this new official advice from the Department of Health and Human Services is that insurance companies can now change what they cover. Can you talk about that a little bit?
Yes, I guess, you know, that's another issue, okay? And we're not talking about a scientific basis for this decision. This is purely greed. But insurance companies generally allow insurance at no cost, those vaccinations which are recommended. Okay. And that has been the case with the COVID vaccination.
But it's a perfect economic out for the insurance companies to not cover those things which are not recommended. A very common example that has occurred within the last five years, you know,
The shingles vaccination, which is actually highly effective for people who take it, the new shingles vaccination, was not covered by insurance because it was not recommended for any group prior to a couple of years ago. Once it was recommended, then it's covered. But, you know, we're talking about two possibilities. that will there be enough COVID vaccination available if people want to get it?
Will the company stop making as much when they know it's not going to be covered by insurance? Of course, we don't know the answer to that. But assuming that the supply would remain the same, we still have the possibility that
insurance will not cover it if it is not recommended for that specific group and of course that specific group as i said before is a group that should be covered certainly oldies like me are going to be still be covered okay 60 if you're 65 and above you've got it made because hey your insurance will pay for your vaccination booster which we should get uh what about people who
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