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Rose Griffin:The Path to Inclusive Support and Autism Awarenes
Wed, 29 Jan 2025
Send us a textExplore the transformative journey of Rose Griffin, a dedicated speech-language pathologist and board-certified behavior analyst, as she sheds light on the evolving landscape of autism awareness and support. From a serendipitous high school career assessment that led her to speech therapy, Rose reflects on her 20-year commitment to empowering individuals with autism, especially those who are non-verbal. Her work at the Cleveland Clinic's Learner School has been pivotal, and she shares her insights on the increasing awareness and understanding of autism over the years.Throughout our conversation, Rose and I tackle the intricacies of supporting autistic individuals, emphasizing the importance of nurturing positive relationships and employing child-led methods. We confront the controversies surrounding ABA therapy, highlighting the therapist's role in shaping its impact. By sharing poignant stories and professional insights, Rose illustrates the need for a balanced approach that embraces play, connection, and understanding. The episode also delves into the emotional experiences of parents and the critical nature of early intervention in shaping positive outcomes.On a global scale, the discussion broadens to the international support for autism awareness, recognizing the disparities in resources across different countries. Rose underscores the power of online platforms to bridge these gaps, offering crucial guidance to parents and professionals worldwide. We spotlight the resources available at abaspeech.org, encouraging listeners to engage with a supportive community that shares their journey. Join us for a conversation about the power of acceptance and understanding in fostering a more inclusive world for autistic individuals and their families.https://tonymantor.comhttps://Facebook.com/tonymantorhttps://instagram.com/tonymantorhttps://twitter.com/tonymantorhttps://youtube.com/tonymantormusicintro/outro music bed written by T. WildWhy Not Me the World music published by Mantor Music (BMI)
Chapter 1: What inspired Rose Griffin to become a speech therapist?
Hi, I'm Tony Mantor. Welcome to Why Not Me The World. Today's guest is Rose Griffin, a distinguished speech-language pathologist and board-certified behavior analyst. During her senior year of high school, Rose took a career assessment that suggested a career in speech therapy.
This pivotal moment marked the beginning of her professional journey dedicated to serving individuals with autism and their families. Rose joins us today to share her inspiring story and the evolution of her career from its inception in high school. Thanks for coming on.
Yeah, no problem. Somebody did an audit of my podcast and they said your podcast is one that I should be on. That's how I found out about your podcast.
Wow. I really appreciate the referral from them. That's awesome. So when do you decide to go into therapy?
Actually, my mom gave me a career test when I was a senior in high school, and it said I should be a speech therapist. And then I just, I shadowed a family friend, and that was it. I became a speech therapist. I never took any classes that I didn't need to, and I knew I wanted to do that. And you have to get a master's degree, so six years of school. Yeah, so immediately, once I entered undergrad.
Yeah, I just love the field. I've been doing it over 20 years, and I still really enjoy it, so.
I think that's awesome that you knew what you wanted to do right from the very start. I've had friends that have gone to college, learned their craft the best they could, followed the books.
Yes.
But then they found that the books just didn't really work out the way they thought.
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Chapter 2: How has the understanding of autism changed over the years?
I was talking to Temple Granite about that.
Yeah.
And she said it simply came down to the person that's doing the ABA therapy, whether they're good or bad.
Yeah.
So with the controversy that was out there because of the APA therapy going on and off, how did you address that?
Yeah. In real life, people love the fact that I'm both a speech therapist and a BCBA. There are about 400 to 500 people in the entire world that are both. So it really allows me to talk to both groups. Yeah.
That's great. So can you explain the difference to the listeners?
Yeah, yeah. So a speech-language pathologist really learns our scope of practice is really broad. We could help people who have swallowing disorders. We could help people who have had strokes, feeding concerns, language issues. Autism is just one small piece of really what we do within our scope of competence and practice.
And for board-certified behavior analysts, that's a totally different profession. And we can do lots of different things. Really kind of helping people in the autism world is like increase functional behavior that is important. And what I specialize in is communication.
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Chapter 3: What is the controversy surrounding ABA therapy?
And then if we do have students who are engaging in potentially unsafe problem behavior where they can't go to a public school or their grandparents can't come over or they can't go to church. trying to talk with the client, the family, and decide like, well, why is that behavior occurring?
And usually, not always, but you could see like if we are able to help a student increase their ability to communicate, we usually see that behavior trending down because oftentimes kids will not have a way to communicate because they haven't been taught, they haven't had the right intervention, it's been hard to reach them, and then they're navigating their world by using behavior.
I love Temple Granite. I heard her talk when I lived in Austin, Texas. And I mean, I think it's with a lot of things. It really does. It's just like doctors. It depends on the provider. You could work with a doctor who's awesome, who makes you feel really cared for. And then you could work with somebody who you feel like you're wasting their time because they need to get onto the next room, right?
So it depends.
What? Doctors with no bedside manner? Tell me that's not so.
Yeah, exactly. Right. So it depends. I mean, I try on my platform at ADA Speech to show how you can provide naturalistic instruction for autistic learners. And I do think applied behavior analysis is kind of having this rebirth where we're talking about, it's always been in the research and literature, but a sense, you know, child led therapy, not compliance based.
Although sometimes, you know, sometimes compliance as far as following directions and things like that. I have a friend who her friend and her autistic son died in a house fire because just within the past five years because he wouldn't leave the house. So sometimes compliance for safety and medical issues is something that is still important.
Yes, that's so true. When a parent comes to you, they have just found out that their child is autistic and Their mental health is just all over the place. They're really afraid. They just don't know what to do. They've tried things that just haven't worked. Right. Or maybe it has to a small degree.
When you meet them and meet that child, what is the first thing that you do to start that relationship so you can build their life and put it back together?
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Chapter 4: How does Rose approach building relationships with autistic children?
Yeah, I feel like every learner is so different. And I did work at the middle school, high school level for 10 years. So I really have a decent amount of experience with that. I think some kids, they're just, you know, they're in a really supportive environment. They are maybe on grade level academically.
I'm thinking of one kid and they do some autistic type, you know, stereotypy with their hands, but they don't really, doesn't bother them, doesn't bother anybody in their atmosphere. So that child may not even need therapy. You know what I mean? Versus somebody who maybe does have support needs in the area of social skills.
I talk with that student and say, you know, just think of me as like your social skills coach, because just like you said, middle school and high school, those are really nuanced times for social skills for everyone. for all people. And so to have somebody to guide you, and what's hard about that is there's no curriculum.
There's a lot of social skills curriculum, but there's not going to be anything that comes out that's individualized for your student.
You know, when I was working with kids at that age level, I used a lot of video modeling where we take a video of me maybe engaging in the skill, like answering a question in class or during COVID, you know, I had a kid who needed to practice asking for a mask break and all these things that are super, super specific. So I always try to use video modeling, which anybody can do with a phone.
You just take a video of the skill and then you show it to the learner and you practice.
Yeah, that's awesome. You just mentioned a home scenario. I spoke with an ABA therapist. He went into a person's home. Yeah. He immediately assessed the situation for his own safety, then thought to himself, this might not work. Have you had situations like that?
Oh, yeah. I mean, I worked in private placements where the students, I always had to have somebody with me because it was just unsafe for me to be by myself if a student had unsafe problem behavior. So students like that are usually working with a speech-language pathologist, a board-certified behavior analyst, families very involved.
And oftentimes, students that are at those outside placements, that's their least restrictive environment because they can't be educated appropriately or safely in a public school. So they just have really robust intervention where everybody's on the same page with the idea being we really want to help that student not engage in those behaviors and understand why that's occurring.
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Chapter 5: What strategies does Rose use for teaching social skills?
Chapter 6: What resources can parents and professionals access for autism support?
Welcome to Why Not Me? The World Podcast, hosted by Tony Mantor. Broadcasting from Music City, USA, Nashville, Tennessee. Join us as our guests tell us their stories. Some will make you laugh, some will make you cry. real life people who will inspire and show that you are not alone in this world. Hopefully you gain more awareness, acceptance and a better understanding for autism around the world.
Hi, I'm Tony Mantor. Welcome to Why Not Me The World. Today's guest is Rose Griffin, a distinguished speech-language pathologist and board-certified behavior analyst. During her senior year of high school, Rose took a career assessment that suggested a career in speech therapy.
This pivotal moment marked the beginning of her professional journey dedicated to serving individuals with autism and their families. Rose joins us today to share her inspiring story and the evolution of her career from its inception in high school. Thanks for coming on.
Yeah, no problem. Somebody did an audit of my podcast and they said your podcast is one that I should be on. That's how I found out about your podcast.
Wow. I really appreciate the referral from them. That's awesome. So when do you decide to go into therapy?
Actually, my mom gave me a career test when I was a senior in high school, and it said I should be a speech therapist. And then I just, I shadowed a family friend, and that was it. I became a speech therapist. I never took any classes that I didn't need to, and I knew I wanted to do that. And you have to get a master's degree, so six years of school. Yeah, so immediately, once I entered undergrad.
Yeah, I just love the field. I've been doing it over 20 years, and I still really enjoy it, so.
I think that's awesome that you knew what you wanted to do right from the very start. I've had friends that have gone to college, learned their craft the best they could, followed the books.
Yes.
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