Send us a textJustin Volpe shares his journey from being diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder and incarcerated to becoming a certified recovery peer specialist who has trained over 3,500 police officers in crisis intervention. His story demonstrates how individuals with lived experience can transform systems and save lives by bridging gaps between law enforcement, courts, and treatment providers.• Diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder in his early 20s after struggling with substance abuse• Released from jail through Miami's Jail Diversion Program, which provides support, therapy, and resources• Became a peer specialist within 8 months of incarceration, helping others navigate the system• Worked for 14 years getting thousands of people out of incarceration and connecting them to services• Describes his role as a "bridger" between systems that don't typically communicate with each other• Trained over 3,500 police officers in Crisis Intervention Team (CIT) approaches• Featured in documentaries "The Definition of Insanity" and Ken Burns' "Hiding in Plain Sight"• Now works nationally with state behavioral health teams at NASMHPD• Advocates for including people with lived experience at policy and planning tables• Emphasizes that recovery is possible: "I was written off and told I'd die on the street"Tell everyone everywhere about Why Not Me: The World, the conversations we're having and the inspiration our guests give to everyone that you are not alone in this world.https://tonymantor.comhttps://Facebook.com/tonymantorhttps://instagram.com/tonymantorhttps://twitter.com/tonymantorhttps://youtube.com/tonymantormusicintro/outro music bed written by T. WildWhy Not Me the World music published by Mantor Music (BMI)
Chapter 1: What inspired Justin Volpe to become a peer specialist?
Yeah, it's always great to help others. Can you give the listeners a little of your background so they can understand what led to this path that you're doing?
Yeah, absolutely, Tony. I live in Miami, Florida, and at 22 or 23 years old, I was struggling with substance use and alcohol issues. I was put into a rehab, and I thought that that was my problem. But When I stayed clean off the drugs and alcohol, those problems persisted, and it ended up being a diagnosis of what is now considered schizoaffective disorder. I was hearing voices.
I was seeing things that weren't there. all in all while working and trying to maintain my daily life. This disorder led to a lot of turbulent times in my life and ended up being incarcerated at 23 years old in 2007 in the Miami-Dade County Jail.
During your time of incarceration, Was there a pivotal event or experience that occurred which fundamentally altered your life, compelling you to recognize the necessity of personal improvement and inspiring you to leverage the insights and knowledge you acquired to positively impact the lives of others?
Well, you know, something about some mental health diagnosis is Everybody else seems to know that there's an issue, but to know inside that something's not adding up takes a level of awareness that I did not have at the time.
But it wasn't until I went into the judicial system, I was released from court, from jail, through a court program to help people with mental health and co-occurring disorders called the Jail Diversion Program. That's where I got introduced to Judge Leifman's program.
After I got released into this outpatient treatment program, I was given the support I needed to get back on my feet, given education, a lot of different types of therapy, and access to resources I didn't have before. After I started to take this recovery journey, I started to feel better. And then within eight months of being incarcerated, I was given an opportunity to become a peer specialist.
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Chapter 2: How did Justin's diagnosis shape his journey?
A peer specialist is somebody with lived experience in the jail diversion program. So As soon as I got it and understood what I had to do to maintain, I was given the opportunity to give service to others being released from the justice system.
And I did that for 14 years, Tony, and I got thousands of people out of incarceration to help them get back on their feet and stay out of places like the streets and the hospitals and the jails by trying things a different way.
Everyone has their own unique style when it comes to helping others. Some lean towards a more aggressive approach. Others take a gentler, more passive tack. And then there's everything in between. What was your style like? How did you go about supporting those who needed your help? And how does your help affect them?
A peer specialist and a peer role is really a mutual understanding that you have with the people that you're working with. So The unique style that I really had to do was become a bridger in the community. So many different people don't talk to each other. The jails and the courts don't talk to the treatment providers. They don't talk to the housing providers.
They don't talk to transportation providers. And a peer specialist, my role was to really get everybody on the same page and hustle out there on the street every day because I didn't work in the office. I was on the street hustling for people to keep them out of these systems. And some of that was having open lines of communication, showing up for people to doctor's appointments.
bringing them to court, getting them clothes, getting them food, getting them transportation, all in their wellness journey to actually avoid a justice system where that would not help get them better.
Wow, that's a great description of what you do. I think that's going to help a lot of people understand it. Now, what about CIT training? Do you do anything like that to help police navigate situations?
Yeah, thanks for mentioning that. I do CIT training. I've trained over 3,500 police officers in Miami-Dade County, and that training would help keep somebody out of the justice system altogether at first. So if a police officer received that training, they should, if they spot somebody in crisis, be able to de-escalate them and not arrest them and get them to the proper resources if needed.
That's not a jail cell.
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Chapter 3: What is the Jail Diversion Program?
Yeah, that's really, really good. Now, what about the communication centers? When we think of first responders, we always think about police. Yet, before the police get there, you've got 911. Do you do any work with them so they can get the information needed to hopefully send a CIT-trained officer to the scene? Have you worked with the 911 operators?
A little bit. I've done some training with the mobile crisis teams that would actually respond other than police if a call comes into a crisis line. And we've done some training with 911 operators so they can help distinguish a call that may be someone in crisis so they know the kind of vibe or what that feels like.
Because without that training, they may not understand the difference between if an actual crime is happening or if somebody is experiencing a crisis.
Okay. Have you ever been involved in a crisis situation where you've witnessed and assisted both the police in managing the scene and the individual in need?
I have been involved in a lot of crisis situations in the community, like you just explained. And my biggest thing is communication, making sure the person being served speaks. needs are met and that they're understood completely, as well as the police's. So kind of like a bridger in between in that relationship to make sure everything's good and working smoothly to help the person in need.
Okay, suppose you arrive at a scene where someone has experienced psychosis and facing serious challenges. The responding police officer hasn't received CIT training yet. You're there to assist. What would your approach be? Police officers often have only seconds to react to a situation, and the goal is to prevent it from escalating into something harmful for anyone involved.
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Chapter 4: How does Justin help individuals navigate the system?
How would you de-escalate the situation, help the officer understand what you're doing, yet supporting the person in crisis so that ideally things resolve peacefully and don't take a turn for the worse?
You know, life's all about relationships, right? So even if somebody was not trained properly and they were a participant in the jail diversion program at the time, I was able to stand up for them and vouch for them and say, hey, I'm a court employee. This person is working with us. Kind of like, they're okay, you know, what's the problem?
Let's talk about this and even, you know, make an excuse for the person if they're not doing well. Like, oh, you know, something happened. But it's all about education and relationships.
Having, at the time, a county or court badge when speaking to somebody else that may work for the same department in the police goes a long way on the street than just somebody else that they may not recognize or be able to relate to in that situation.
Dealing with situations like psychosis or a major meltdown in autism can be challenging. These conditions often present complex symptoms that are difficult to diagnose, especially when you only have a few minutes or seconds to assess a situation and determine the best way to manage it so to prevent it from escalating to a situation that gets completely out of control.
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Chapter 5: What role do peer specialists play in crisis intervention?
The biggest thing, which is kind of the opposite of the way officers are taught to respond immediately to things, and they have that triggered stress of responding to calls all day and they're ready to go, is really to take a step back and helping have clear communications.
Like, if the officer is trained, have that call come in through the right path to let people know, let them know, like, you know, this... person may be experiencing crisis or a difficult time right now, to really approach them differently. And I've seen officers really strive with this. We know so much is going wrong in so many of these encounters nationally, and it's just not right.
And there's good police officers caught on the other side of that, too, that I've worked with that are more effective than some social workers that I've worked with. So it really depends on the person responding to these calls and their education and their the want to serve. You know, I worked with this one officer. They were doing people's laundry on the street.
They were helping them with their laundry, helping them get to the appointments, you know, incredible stuff that you don't hear about. Then, unfortunately, you'll see somebody that's not trained well or at all and respond to somebody in crisis. And they're the ones that make the news.
Yes, there are definitely a lot of good people out there doing their jobs, and they deserve recognition as well. How does the training you provide to police officers intersect with the role of the specialist who supports individuals navigating the ongoing court process?
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Chapter 6: How does CIT training benefit police interactions?
particularly given that not all individuals involved have consistent police encounters, and considering the officers you may train may not directly correlate with those responding to specific calls.
Well, let me just clarify a few things. So my job as a peer specialist was to support people in the ongoing court process. Not everybody had a police encounter all the time, but it did happen from time to time. The training I do with police is off hours, right, to do the training separately.
So that may not be a direct correlation between the officers I'm able to work with on the training to some of these calls.
Okay, that makes sense. Now, do you help them when they get into the legal system, or do you help them before they get into the legal system, or do you try to do both?
Both, because it's really about education. And I don't work there anymore. I work for a national mental health agency that's in Arlington, Virginia now, but I continue to do CIT training as a volunteer with officers. But when I worked for the court for 14 years, everybody had agreed voluntarily to be a part of this jail diversion program.
So even though they had criminal charges pending, they were given a chance to go on an alternate route to get some help. to get the state attorney to drop the charges. So if they successfully completed this program, which involved community treatment and health peer support, getting jobs, getting housing, if they were able to navigate that, the state would drop their charges.
Okay. Did you ever have a situation where you was trying to assist someone, yet in spite of all your efforts, it didn't seem to click for you? The more you both tried, the more you felt it wasn't going to work. And then after some time, whatever that was, it came together. Have you ever experienced something like that?
absolutely you see you have to meet people where they're at and with peer support you're not forcing this approach on them because it's really up to the person to want to make that change and unfortunately as we know some people don't get to make that change right because what i've seen in my experience of getting thousands of people
out of jail for almost 15 years is that people do get incarcerated they do live on the streets and sometimes they do die and that is a harsh reality that i have to tell you that just because they were involved in this program it wasn't a miracle either but there were people that did come back multiple times and i saw people get help multiple times
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Chapter 7: What challenges do individuals face in recovery?
So that means they were arrested multiple times, given multiple chance at this program, and then finally be able to receive some help. One gentleman was able to close out multiple felonies, go back to school, get sober in a recovery program and work again and not be involved with the justice system for, I think it's been at least 10 years now. So that's an accomplishment.
You know, you look at recidivism, You know, you can't expect people to maybe like become doctors and lawyers. They should and they can. But what I look at as a win is staying off the street, staying out of incarceration, living some sort of meaningful life that matters to the person.
Can you tell us about the company that you're working with now?
I work for an organization dubbed the acronym NASHPD, which is the National Association of State Mental Health Program Directors. Long acronym. So say that three times fast.
Yeah, that's a tongue twister for sure. So are you in Virginia now?
I'm in Miami, Florida. I work remotely and I work with states now. I use all that experience that I learned from working in Miami on the streets and my own personal experience of recovery, which by the way, I live a fully functional life. For somebody that's been diagnosed with an illness like schizophrenia and schizoaffective disorder, I have a family, I have a home, I have two cars.
I live a life that Before in this country, if you got a diagnosis, it was a death sentence basically to have or a life of institutions.
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Chapter 8: How can communication improve crisis situations?
But my job now is really to work with states and territories and their behavioral health teams and to really advocate for people with lived experience like myself and other people in different aspects of their community, that they're a part of their states and their programming and that they continue that when they build systems out, that people like us are included and at the table.
I think that's awesome. Now, when you first started, you was just in Miami and Dade County. Is that correct?
Yes.
So when you started out, you was working within the legal system, people on the street, trying to help them in that way. Now you're working with state legislators and people of that nature. Is that correct?
Really, state behavioral health... teams so it did go from a local to a national level and that is different it's not necessarily like within legislation and policy but it does touch that sometimes with the people that we work with at the states through my time at the jail diversion program
Judge Lifeman and I starred in a documentary called The Definition of Insanity, which is amazing if you want to talk about it a little bit later. And I was in a Ken Burns documentary on youth mental health, Hiding in Plain Sight, which also aired on PBS three years ago.
That's awesome. Documentaries are just so good. Can you expand on those documentaries a little?
So the definition of insanity was based on my time at the jail diversion program, which I explained to you. And it kind of encompasses that peer specialists, CIT officers and participants of the court going through the different stages of the program. And it highlights three clients going through the process and seeing their ups and downs and what it kind of entailed.
And that was just a snapshot of kind of what our daily life was like. And then Hiding in Plain Sight was a Ken Burns film on youth mental health because the youth mental health is experiencing crisis too. And it followed about 20 to 25 people, a lot of young adults, some youth. I was 35 when they made the film. I made the cut, thank God. I don't know how I got in a youth film at 35, but...
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