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Chapter 1: What are Trump's tariffs on Canada and Mexico?
Past and future President Donald Trump isn't being very nice to our neighbors. He said he'd drop 25% tariffs on goods from Canada and Mexico on day one.
This tariff will remain in effect until such time as drugs, in particular fentanyl, and all illegal aliens stop this invasion of our country. That threat has Canadians saying, How dare you compare us to Mexico?
And has Mexicans saying, Rude, Canada! But it's certainly getting everyone's attention. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau took a trip down to Mar-a-Lago to be like, what's the deal, Donald? Will it work? Nobody knows. But after he left, Trump called Trudeau the governor of the 51st state. Rude, Donald. We're going to ask what the next block party might look like on Today Explained.
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I'm Mary Beth Sheridan, bureau chief for The Washington Post in Mexico.
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Chapter 2: How did Trudeau respond to Trump’s comments?
And there's been a lot of questions about whether she will be able to establish the bond that Lopez Obrador had with Trump.
Instead of distancing ourselves, we are deciding, we're opting to walk together towards the future. We want to privilege understanding.
You know, López Obrador, I think, and Trump in part had this respect because each saw the other as the head of a movement. Claudia Sheinbaum won with a commanding majority in the elections last June, but she kind of rode on the coattails of López Obrador. So she may not have quite the same stature. So far, they've both said their conversations were very positive. So we'll see what happens.
Do we have any sense of who she wanted to win the presidential election in the United States? Oh, she was so careful about not expressing any preference because I think she understands Mexico needs to have a good relationship with the United States. In particular, the economies are so intertwined. So many Mexican jobs depend on the exports to the United States.
So she didn't want to do anything that would get her off on the wrong foot with the new president. you If you look carefully at what's been going on, Mexico has become just a crucial ally for the U.S. in stopping migration. So under President Biden, in particular in the past year, the Biden administration leaned on Mexico. Migrant arrivals at the border, the detentions by the U.S.
Border Patrol had reached historic high in December. And the Biden people came down and really had a tough talk with the Mexicans. And Mexico cracked down in a huge way. They have done about a million detentions since then, and the number of migrants being detained at the U.S. border has dropped by 75%. So Mexico has a crucial role to play in terms of being able to stop migrants,
The other thing I would mention is that the U.S., both consumers and U.S. business depend tremendously on things made in Mexico. Everything from, you know, fruits and vegetables to cars to Oreo cookies. I mean, the two countries are very, the economies are interwoven. Even our Oreo cookies? I didn't even know that. You bet. Cheez-Its. It's all kinds of snack foods.
Yeah, they're made in both countries now. And stuff goes back and forth. Think about Oreo cookies are made using U.S. wheat. Mexican beer is made using barley from Idaho and Montana. You know, Trump has talked about these 25 percent tariffs that he could put on Mexico and Canada because of migration and drugs.
But those would wind up having a real boomerang effect for American consumers and for the American companies that rely on Mexican parts for, you know, auto factories in Detroit or airplane factories in the U.S. and so on.
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