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The politics of fire

Tue, 14 Jan 2025

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Wildfires overtook Los Angeles, firefighters ran out of water, and the political finger-pointing began. This episode was produced by Avishay Artsy and Travis Larchuck, edited by Amina Al-Sadi, fact-checked by Laura Bullard and Peter Balonon-Rosen, engineered by Patrick Boyd and Andrea Kristinsdottir, and hosted by Sean Rameswaram. Transcript at vox.com/today-explained-podcast Support Today, Explained by becoming a Vox Member today: http://www.vox.com/members A fire hydrant burning during the Eaton fire in the Altadena area of Los Angeles county. Photo by JOSH EDELSON/AFP via Getty Images. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Chapter 1: What catastrophic events occurred during the Los Angeles wildfires?

2.148 - 24.05 Sean Rameswaram

It's kind of hard to wrap your head around the scale of the catastrophic fires in Los Angeles. They've burned 40,000 acres throughout the city. That's roughly the size of Washington, D.C. Some estimates are putting the damage upwards of $250 billion. That'll make these the most... economically devastating fires in the history of the United States.

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24.31 - 34.956 Sean Rameswaram

And then one thing people can't seem to get over is that in this wildfire-prone city, in a wildfire-prone state, firefighters battling these blazes somehow ran out of water.

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35.116 - 38.578 Firefighter

We have no water on these streets, and we have multiple structures taken off.

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38.898 - 44.961 Governor Tim Walz

Why was there no water in the hydrants, Governor? That's all literally... Is it going to be different next time?

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45.121 - 52.531 City Official

They have no water. They had no water in the fire hydrants today in Los Angeles. It was a terrible thing. And we're gonna get that done.

52.591 - 58.385 Sean Rameswaram

Everyone gets that this is tragic. On Today Explained, we're gonna try to understand why this has to be political.

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Chapter 2: Why did firefighters run out of water in Los Angeles?

362.583 - 378.556 Greg Pierce

But when firefighters run out of water, the pressure runs low, they go to private pools, because there's a lot of private pools in these areas, which tend to be quite wealthy. And they started to drive tanker trucks up with water to try to fight the fire.

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378.616 - 392.61 Greg Pierce

But if they don't have water, they need to get off the ground for their own safety, get out of that area, because there's nothing they can do, and just rely purely on aerial approaches and dropping water. other types of wildfire retardants or foams.

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394.533 - 404.568 Sean Rameswaram

So it's a pretty bleak picture. If they run out of water, they're basically useless, especially if there's not some truck around that's got reserves.

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405.307 - 428.142 Greg Pierce

Yeah, and it is the, I mean, you've heard the really big frustration of the fire agency and agencies that they are entirely reliant on the water systems to provide the water. It's not like the firefighters have their own reserve of water. So they do show up and hope, pray it works. And in this case, it didn't work as well as anyone would have liked.

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428.202 - 432.645 Greg Pierce

But again, I think in some ways that was to be expected if we were realistic about it.

433.59 - 444.538 Sean Rameswaram

I saw someone just post a map on social media of the Palisades fire, and then they circled the ocean right next to it, and they said, you know, here's some water, guys.

445.078 - 452.583 Listener Question

Why don't we just put a hose in the ocean and then spray the fire with the ocean?

452.943 - 465.607 Listener Question

Okay, can someone please explain to me why... They can't use the water from the ocean that's right by where a lot of the fire is happening to put out the fire.

466.287 - 475.352 Sean Rameswaram

For people who just can't fathom how these hydrants ran dry and they didn't just stick a straw in the ocean, what are they missing?

Chapter 6: What were the financial implications of the wildfire damages?

35.116 - 38.578 Firefighter

We have no water on these streets, and we have multiple structures taken off.

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38.898 - 44.961 Governor Tim Walz

Why was there no water in the hydrants, Governor? That's all literally... Is it going to be different next time?

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45.121 - 52.531 City Official

They have no water. They had no water in the fire hydrants today in Los Angeles. It was a terrible thing. And we're gonna get that done.

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52.591 - 58.385 Sean Rameswaram

Everyone gets that this is tragic. On Today Explained, we're gonna try to understand why this has to be political.

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