The Why Files: Operation Podcast
577: The Seventh Experiment: Lacerta Reveals the Truth of our Creation
Mon, 06 Jan 2025
In December 1999, Sweden's most notorious UFO skeptic sat down for an interview that would challenge everything he believed. Ole K. had spent his career exposing hoaxes and debunking paranormal claims. The being who called herself Lacerta revealed an underground civilization that had existed alongside humanity for millions of years. She explained humanity's true origins as a series of genetic experiments and warned of the imminent return of our creators. From the mysteries of Derinkuyu to the truth about the dinosaurs' extinction, this story connects ancient mysteries to modern questions about human consciousness and evolution.
Chapter 1: What happened during Ole K.'s 1999 interview?
His articles had ruined careers and earned him a reputation as a tough professional skeptic. But now his pencil was floating above his desk. The being across from him called herself Lucerta. She told him how humanity was created and how it would end. And she could prove it. The world's most notorious UFO skeptic was about to understand why some stories can't be debunked.
Ol' Kay arrived early to set up his equipment. One camera, one tape recorder. That's all Lacerda allowed. Every hoaxer had rules. He didn't argue. He figured he'd be out in an hour. The story was obviously fake. Lacerda claimed to be from a race of beings living deep within the Earth. Some say they're shapeshifters. They don't change shape. They change the way the human brain sees them.
They're highly evolved and intelligent with extremely advanced technology. They are... Reptilians.
Chapter 2: Who is Lacerta and what does she reveal?
Lizard people!
The Lacerda files appeared online in the early 2000s. They're transcripts of two interviews, one from 1999 and one from 2000. A journalist known as Ol' Kay spoke with a female reptilian who calls herself Lacerda when she's with humans. Apparently, we can't pronounce her real name, and mispronouncing someone's name in her culture is offensive. This sounds like a millennial lizard, people.
How old is she? Is she on TikTok?
She's 28 years old.
Checks out. She was around 5'5 and humanoid.
Her skin was pale green with brown dots, and her eyes were larger than human eyes with vertical slits for pupils. And when she blinked, a transparent membrane slid sideways across her eyes. Her species is called the tern. They lived beneath the Earth for millions of years in vast cities carved from solid rock. I linked to the full text, and you'll want to read it, but here's what matters.
Lucerta knew things, things about ancient cultures, quantum mechanics, computer science. She said humans didn't evolve. We were engineered by aliens who needed slaves.
Yeah, new Nike.
Right. They have many names.
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Chapter 3: What is the significance of the Illijim in human history?
I thought the Death Star blew up Aldebaran.
Aldebaran.
What'd I say?
The Illogim arrived on Earth 1.5 million years ago to mine copper. This would require a large labor force. So they altered a primitive ape's genetics and created a new species to do the work. Version 1 was promising but flawed, so they wiped it out and started again. And again. Lacerda says the evidence of these earlier versions is all around us.
Archaeologists say the Great Pyramid of Giza was built around 2500 BC.
Big news. It's way older than that.
Well, Lacerda agrees. The Egyptians didn't build the pyramids. They found them. The Great Pyramid was built 75,000 years ago by the fifth version of humanity. The underwater ruins near Bimini were built 16,000 years ago by the sixth version. Perfect angles cut into massive stone blocks using techniques we only mastered in the last century. The Illegim accelerated our revolution.
Look at our timeline. Two million years to improve a sphere. Then in a few thousand years, writing, electricity, landing a man on the moon.
Well, that never happened. But you monkeys got to orbit. I'll give you that. Fine.
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Chapter 4: Are ancient structures evidence of previous human experiments?
Earthquakes, volcanoes, sometimes floods.
Young and dry is flood.
That was the last reset. Every culture has a flood myth because it happened. Lacerda expects the Illigim to return and finish their work, and we have no way to stop them. We don't have the technology to fight, and there's nowhere to hide. We can't go underground. underground belongs to the lizards.
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The Derinkuyu underground city in Turkey is a puzzle. 18 levels deep, almost 300 feet below the surface, It has a ventilation system, a fresh water system. Acoustic chambers are tuned to specific frequencies. It was allegedly built with Bronze Age technology, but the truth is nobody knows who built it or when. According to Lacerda, Derinkuyu isn't an ancient human city.
It's an entrance to the Turin civilization, a vast network of cities underground. Their main settlements are 14,000 feet below the Earth's surface, and each city is about a mile and a half wide, carved into solid bedrock. At the center is The Column, a 700-foot tower. It regulates climate, generates artificial sunlight, and manages the airflow.
Oh, it's like a lizard Alexa.
I guess so, yeah.
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Chapter 5: What theories exist about the extinction of the dinosaurs?
She said copper can produce energy fields that can manipulate gravity, space, and time. UFOs use this for propulsion. The craft creates a field oppositely aligned with the Earth's magnetic field. I also know you speak lizard. When the same poles from two magnets are close to each other, they create a repelling field.
UFOs use copper fusion to create a field that pushes against the Earth's magnetic field. This is how they fly. It actually makes sense. But the magnetic field of the Earth is constantly moving. UFOs have to adjust their alignment, and this is hard to do. Sometimes they fail. That's what happened to Roswell in 1947. Two ships crashed.
According to Lacerda, two alien species discovered Earth at the same time millions of years ago. Humanoids from Procyon arrived first. They built copper mines in Antarctica and Asia, and their ships filled the skies. Then another species arrived, reptilians with their own copper fusion technology, and they wanted Earth's copper. The Procyons refused to share. The war lasted months.
The Procyons were winning until the reptilians deployed their ultimate weapon, a copper fusion bomb. It detonated in the Yucatan. They expected it to kill all surface life while preserving mineral deposits, but something went wrong. Earth's seawater triggered a chain reaction, and the nuclear winter lasted 200 years. And most dinosaurs died, but some escaped underground.
One species, an advanced iguanodon, evolved into the tern, Lucerta's ancestors. Before the extinction event, the guanidons were evolving to walk on two legs, and they were evolving an opposable thumb.
Your human scientists today see the iridium concentration in the ground as an evidence for an asteroid impact that killed the dinosaurs. That is not true. But how should you know that?
Modern militaries are trying to recreate copper fusion technology, but Lacerda says they're following blueprints they don't understand. The process requires a deeper knowledge, not just of physics, but of biology. Because the real power of copper fusion isn't just about manipulating matter. It's about manipulating human consciousness.
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Chapter 6: How does copper play a role in advanced technology?
During the second interview with Ol' Kay, Lacerda demonstrated the Terran's psychic abilities. First, telekinesis. Lacerda held out her hand. His hot coffee froze instantly. A pencil rose from the table. Ol' Kay was stunned.
This isn't magic. It's biology. We are able to use telepathy and telekinesis from our birth. The structure of our brain is a little bit different and more active than yours, especially when we are in sunlight. When we are on the surface and we meet human beings, we are able to touch their mind and induce them via telepathy the command, see us as one of your kind.
And the weak human mind will accept this order without refusing. And they will see us, despite our reptilian look, as normal humans.
Wait, wait, wait. Lizard people could be anywhere. Look at all human-y.
Chapter 7: What are the implications of the return of the Illijim?
They could be.
What the most important thing in our lives is, what for we have come to this world in general, not only on
The tern are not the Illuminati. Different reptilians are. Lucerta's people avoid humans, but another reptilian race controls Earth. If you know David Icke's work, her story confirms a lot of it. Icke said that a race of shape-shifting reptilians from the Draco star system has infiltrated the world's power structures.
I would say that the people that actually live on the island are part of this. There are people... There's a network on the island that are... Big time. I mean, the Isle of Wight's a beautiful place, and if you pick up the higher levels, the vibrational levels of it, it's a very pleasant place to be.
But my goodness me, there is a network of Freemasons, Satanists, and pedophiles that run this island. They run its government. Police, the government, everything.
They're disguised as leaders in finance, media, and politics. They manipulate global events, steering us toward a one-world government. This is common knowledge. Ike says they operate from the moon, an artificial base built by ancient aliens.
Hollow moon linked down in your bento box.
The moon broadcasts frequencies that create negative emotions. The reptilians feed on this. Yeah, I've covered bits and pieces of Ike's work here and there, but he needs his own episode. He has a lot of interesting theories. Now, if you want to see that, let me know. Where we at?
Uh, the lizard lady was throwing pencils around and manipulating you weak-minded humans. Right.
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