The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart
Confronting the Chaos with Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY)
Thu, 06 Feb 2025
Amid the disarray in Washington, we're joined by House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries to discuss leading the opposition during Trump's second term. We examine his strategy for countering Republican overreach, explore what resistance looks like this time around, and consider how Democrats might harness this moment to forge a more responsive and effective party. Follow The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart on social media for more: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@weeklyshowpodcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/weeklyshowpodcast TikTok: https://tiktok.com/@weeklyshowpodcast X: https://x.com/weeklyshowpod BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/theweeklyshowpodcast.com Host/Executive Producer – Jon Stewart Executive Producer – James Dixon Executive Producer – Chris McShane Executive Producer – Caity Gray Lead Producer – Lauren Walker Producer – Brittany Mehmedovic Video Editor & Engineer – Rob Vitolo Audio Editor & Engineer – Nicole Boyce Researcher & Associate Producer – Gillian Spear Music by Hansdle Hsu — This podcast is brought to you by: ZipRecruiter Try it for free at this exclusive web address: ziprecruiter.com/ZipWeekly Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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It is February 4th. It is a beautiful Tuesday. I'm going to say morning. It is sort of morning-ish. It is fucking freezing here. And the news is moving in a manner that I have not quite seen it move in quite some time. The deluge is very much that Maxell commercial where you're sitting on the chair and it's just blowing past you. I don't know.
By the time this gets to your Sony Walkman, as you're listening to it, people still use those. Is that correct? Is that still the divisive choice for the young people? The Sony Discman, Walkman? I don't know what will be happening. Everything I am saying to you right now could in fact be moot. Here's what I would imagine that the war with Canada is entering its It's third day.
Our targeted smart bombs at their syrup factories have been effective. It has limited hopefully civilian casualties and spread an air of fear and delicious smelling maple all throughout the land. The border is in fact packed, I would think, with Americans fleeing towards Canada and Canadians standing there pushing us back, trying not to let us get in there and fuck up their lower rents than ours.
I've not seen actually anything like this. The chaos of launching tariff wars in the morning, calling them off by afternoon and claiming victory as though somehow in the intervening six to eight hours of bluster, the countries that you had challenged had fallen to their knees in prayer. No, dear Lord. not our wheat, not our lumber. We'll do whatever you say.
It is obviously the strategy of create chaos, act like you've solved the chaos by calling down the chaos when you realize the American public is turning against your chaos and then claim victory and expect to be praised for it. It is very reminiscent of, it's something my dog used to try to pull. The dog, I can recall, he used to vomit
uh on the rug and i apologize to any of you who are listening to this podcast in a cafe uh but the dog would would vomit on the rug and then he would eat it and then he would look up at me like huh how about that i just cleaned up for you how about a treat and i'm like but you fucking threw up that's you you did that you don't get a treat and so that is my plea to the american people
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Chapter 2: Who is the guest on the show today?
All right, so we're very excited today. We are pleased to be joined by House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries, representing New York's eighth congressional district since 2013. Brooklyn, sir, how are you? Good. It's great to be with you. It's very nice to see you, sir. How are you holding up? It's, I assume...
For me, even just doing a television show about what's happening in Washington, it is utterly chaotic. So I can't even imagine being down there right now. How often does your phone ring or your Blackberry ding or whatever it is, however the communications are happening down there? where there is another five alarm fire, reversal of policy, trade war on, trade war off?
Chapter 3: What challenges is Hakeem Jeffries facing in Washington?
What's the pace going on down there?
Yeah, it's intense, probably as intense as I've experienced during my time here in Washington, D.C., which included the first Trump administration, included serving as an impeachment manager during the first impeachment trial, included being here during the violent attack on the Capitol on January 6th. But this is a flood the zone strategy that's very intentional.
And they are trying to overwhelm the American people with a parade of horribles. And we've got to push back. We've got to be strategic.
But we also have to be relentless in how we push back and define what's happening for the American people, why it's wrong, why it will hurt them, and of course, offer a positive vision for what life could be like if you had more enlightened policies in Washington, D.C.
Right. Because it does seem, and look, What we're seeing now is the execution of a plan that has been in development, I would imagine, for 60 years, maybe longer. It seems like there's three pivot points that the Republicans want to kind of redefine America's relationship with government. The first one's probably the biggest one, I would say, is the New Deal.
They've been kind of after that for quite some time. Do you see that as this initiative as part of a plan to redefine, to repeal the New Deal, to redefine the Civil Rights Act, to redefine the Immigration and Naturalization Act? Boy, they have a strategy. They got a book, Project 2025. They've been working on that with think tanks and everything else.
Are you seeing them executing it as a particular strategy? very pointed strategy?
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Chapter 4: What strategies are Republicans using to influence government policy?
It's a great observation. It's a great question. I think there are three periods of time that many far-right Republicans or even some traditional Republicans would like to roll back. There's the FDR New Deal period. There's the civil rights slash Great Society moment in the 1960s. And then there's the Obama era. And there's a real effort, I think, to try to strike back at all of those things.
The Republicans have had a problem with Social Security for decades. They have a problem with Medicare and Medicaid, which came out of the Great Society era in the 60s, the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act for decades.
And they certainly are trying to do everything that they can to either launch a frontal assault against those issues to end Social Security as we know it, end Medicare as we know it. Certainly they want to end Medicaid as we know it, as well as rolling back the progress that has been made in society.
Do you think, I always wonder if the idea for them is privatize, privatize, privatize. Their position is government can't do anything right. As though if we leave it to corporate interest, Well, they'll act on behalf of the American people because, you know, corporations are people and they're lovely and they're good neighbors. Is everything moving towards privatization?
Is that their goal for all of these programs?
Well, there's definitely a strategy, which is... Demonize, downsize, privatize, right? They want to demonize the functions of government, local government, state government, federal government. And look, of course, can we find additional efficiencies? Yes. Do we need to make sure government is effective in every possible way? Yes.
We need an efficient government, an effective government, and an equitable government. But they want to attack government, and in this case, civil servants. demonize the government as part of their effort to then downsize the government.
When they downsize the government so that it can't function properly, so that it can't deliver services that the American people rightly deserve and need, then you make the argument, well, because government is so ineffective and inefficient, because we downsized it, now we should privatize it. So it is definitively a scheme. It's a scheme. Now, What's at the root of the scheme?
What's at the root of all that we're seeing, the effort to steal taxpayer dollars, to freeze funds, right, to shrink these agencies? At the core of it, I believe, is that the Republicans in the House, the Senate, the administration, They want to enact massive tax cuts for their billionaire donors and wealthy corporations. Follow the money. That's the reality of what's taking place.
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Chapter 5: How are Democrats responding to Republican strategies?
Where have we been? So politically, I think one of the reasons why we've seen the pendulum swing back and forth It went from George H.W. Bush to Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton to George W. Bush, George W. Bush to Barack Obama, Barack Obama to Donald Trump, Donald Trump to Joe Biden, Joe Biden back to Donald Trump. You're getting me dizzy. It's a dizzying swing of the pendulum.
with very different people who have very different ideologies, what's consistent? The American people have a constant desire for change. Why? Because no one has solved the fundamental problem. That's interesting. All right, quick break, and then we're right back. We are back, Leader Jeffries. Now here's the thing about Democrats.
Under Barack Obama, we did deal with the healthcare affordability crisis. The Affordable Care Act has been transformational. It has ensured that tens of millions of people who otherwise would not have had access to high quality healthcare, have it. That's progress for the American people, but we of course have to do more.
Under Joe Biden, you did see steps that were taken to try to bring down costs, particularly in the area of prescription drug pricing and steps to bring jobs back to the American people through the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, the CHIPS and Science Act, all designed, how do we bring domestic manufacturing jobs back home to America enough with our jobs going in the other direction?
So we were doing the work. Perhaps we were not speaking as forcefully as necessary to say, you know what? We understand that y'all have been getting jammed up in the communities that I represent. It's been happening. And John, here's the thing. You can actually point to several different ways in which the deck has been stacked against everyday Americans.
Poorly negotiated trade deals, the outsourcing of good paying American jobs, the dramatic decline in unionization and the rise of automation. And yes, the innovation economy is important and we have to continue to lead. developments in the innovation economy, but automation has cost good paying American jobs. No question.
You add those factors together and you have a middle class that has been in decline in relative terms. And the American people are smart enough to know, wait a second, my life was supposed to be better the lives of my parents, whose lives were better than their grandparents', and my children's lives, consistent with the American dream, should be better than mine. But that appears to be broken.
So we have to fix it. And we have to fix it decisively. But in order to convince the American people that we're prepared to fix it, we have to be very clear that we understand that this has been a problem for a long period of time, and we haven't yet collectively been able to turn around this dynamic with the comprehensive, decisive action necessary.
So I think that's a fabulous way of sort of laying out the task at hand. And it's a big one. I mean, let's not kid ourselves. It's a difficult one. I wonder if, in your mind, when you're down there with the Democratic Party, Do they understand that their role in creating that world? So like we talk about NAFTA and through the Clinton, you laid out very nicely these different eras.
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Chapter 6: Is the Affordable Care Act sufficient for healthcare reform?
I think Democrats may be, my point is, are they too comfortable within a system that seems not to be delivering? And do we need a to take an approach that is more clear and direct to say to people like, if healthcare is a right, I'm not sure that the ACA is the most efficient way of delivering that right?
I think it's a fair question, certainly, that you're asking. But the way that healthcare has developed in the United States of America has been a far too cumbersome and complicated system. And what we've seen is a series of steps that have been taken to try to make it as equitable as possible.
You've got Medicare and then Medicaid and then the child health insurance program that was put into place during the Clinton era. And then the transformational work of the Affordable Care Act and then the subsidies that were enhanced during the Biden administration. Now, this is a long journey.
But that's taken us to a place where about 90% to 95% of the American people now have access to insurance, in addition to, of course, what takes place in the private market with employer-based health care. But there are still gaps. There are still flaws.
My point is, in your perfect world, would you say this system, first of all, we don't need to tie health care to your job. That limits people's liberty and freedom. And we don't need to give subsidies to an insurance company. It's almost like what Trump understands is I can use the government to bully, right? I wonder if Democrats can take that message and say, oh, right.
Why aren't we playing by that same rule? If we were redesigning the system, is this the way we would design it? And if not, then how do we take a hard line to get that system to deliver?
Yeah, well, I think that point that you make about leveraging the ability of the government to bring about the best possible result for the American people is something that certainly we have to continue to lean into in the healthcare space and in every other space as it relates to improving the quality of life for the American people.
I will say that one of the most important things that was accomplished in the previous administration is to give the federal government the ability to negotiate drug prices on behalf of the American people using the federal government's bulk price purchasing power. Right. The idea was, now it's limited to Medicare recipients. Right. That's tens of millions of people, and we got to expand it out.
Which is crazy.
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Chapter 7: What are the Democratic Party's plans for future healthcare policies?
And we're back. What recourse is there other than outrage? I think the frustrating thing for a lot of people watching at home is at this point, the recourse seems to be, let's put Chuck Schumer on television to give as non-dramatic a reading as he can of the outrage. What is the real recourse? Can there be temporary injunctions? Is there a Congress? Have the Republicans just decided
We're just going to give it all to the executive and we no longer have the power of appropriation. We're just going to go along with all of this. What is the recourse for an opposition party that doesn't control the House, the Senate, the executive or the judiciary?
It's an all hands on deck effort. We got to make sure that we push back in the Congress, push back in the courts, and push back in the community, particularly as it relates to shaping public sentiment, which we have seen can be decisive. Abraham Lincoln once made the observation that public sentiment is everything. With it, nothing can fail. Without it, nothing can succeed.
Public sentiment rose up in response to the funding freeze. They backed off. Public sentiment rose up in response to the overly broad tariffs related to our North American allies, the market also weighed in and all of a sudden they backed off two days later. So we are seeing that public sentiment can be an important vehicle, but we also have to push back in Congress.
And by the way, at the end of last year, when both the incoming president at the time and Elon Musk tried to tank a spending agreement that had been negotiated in a bipartisan way because they demanded the nerve of these people. They demanded that we give the president a $4 or $5 trillion blank check by suspending the debt ceiling for the entirety of his presidency-
So he could pass massive tax cuts for his billionaire friends and wealthy corporations. Our response was not simply no, politely, it was hell no. And the Congress defeated that bill. The Democrats... and a handful of Republicans, but Democrats could have done it on our own. And we showed that in that context. And so there will continue to be legislative pushback.
And I think it's also important, John, to understand that, listen, Donald Trump won the popular election vote this time around. He lost the popular vote in 2016. He lost the popular vote in 2016. He comes into Congress. There are 241 Republicans in the House, only 194 Democrats. This time around, so-called mandate, he wins the popular vote.
And currently there are 218 Republicans in the House and 215 Democrats. It's the narrowest majority since the Great Depression.
That doesn't portend well. Anything that relates back to it's the last time that happens is the Great Depression. That's not a good sign.
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Chapter 8: How can public sentiment influence political outcomes?
you know different rulings that were being passed down that were letting people back out on the streets when you would look at 17 uh arrests or you know uh undocumented people that had committed crimes that are still here and still committing crimes you know is that was that a missed opportunity that the democrats didn't because the way you're describing it feels different than the way it had been executed over these past i don't know how many years yeah i definitely think that
There's work to be done as it relates to making sure the American people understand we're committed to securing the border and we're committed to fixing our broken immigration system. But we need to do it right in a bipartisan way. We also are committed to a criminal justice system that doesn't just lock people up, that has unleashed mass incarceration on the American people. And that's hurt.
Communities of color, Black and Latino communities, poor white communities who have been swept up into the failed war on drugs and mass incarceration. And by the way, John, during the first Trump administration, I worked with Doug Collins. who is now a member of the Trump cabinet. Georgia. From Georgia.
Yeah, he's VA secretary now.
VA secretary. Yeah. I think, you know, you'll probably be interacting with him a lot and you may disagree with him on some issues, but he's a very thoughtful individual in my experience. I worked with him on criminal justice reform. We passed the First Step Act. It brought together the left and the right, progressives and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, the NAACP and the Koch brothers,
on a bill that was ultimately signed into law by Donald Trump. And so we can find common ground on the issue of public safety and on criminal justice reform. We've done it. In the past, and we're committed to it.
But we do have to make sure that the American people don't think that Republicans have some monopoly on keeping people safe, particularly when we've seen a Republican Party, by the way, that has signed off on pardons that were issued. to violent felons who brutally beat police officers and have now been unleashed on communities all across the country where they're continuing to commit crime.
I'll go you one further along the lines of that absurdity, but a party of law and order that continues to basically allow our streets to be flooded with illegal weapons. I mean, you've got Mexico. Here's how bad it gets. You've got Mexico fighting cartels going, yeah, we'll try and stop fentanyl from coming into your country. Could you try and stop weapons from coming into ours? Yeah.
So I agree with you completely. I love that idea. It's a difficult needle to thread, but that idea is nuanced. We must control the border, but we can do it in a way that doesn't demonize those But it feels like in this country, we're still lacking the conversation around immigration or safety.
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