The Money Mondays
How I Wiped Out $2M in Taxes with One Real Estate Move w/ Cody Sperber 🏡 E116
Mon, 07 Apr 2025
On today's episode of Money Mondays, join Cody Sperber, "The Clever Investor," as he shares his journey in real estate, marketing strategies, and how he built a multi-million dollar business. Learn valuable tips on saving taxes, growing your wealth, and the power of investing in education...---Cody Sperber, also known as "The Clever Investor," is a successful entrepreneur, real estate investor, and online educator. With over 22 years of experience in real estate, Cody has completed thousands of transactions and built several successful businesses, including his education platform, Clever Investor. He specializes in creative real estate strategies and tax-saving tactics like cost segregation. In addition to his real estate ventures, Cody also founded Floor Daddy, a flooring company, and is passionate about teaching others how to make, invest, and grow their money. His marketing expertise and innovative approach to business have made him a recognized authority in his field.---Like this episode? Watch more like it 👇What Does It Take to Become a Real Estate Investor in 2025? w/ Albert Preciado: https://youtu.be/_ZJm8u7MjhQFrom $0 to $100M: How To Raise Capital w/ Hunter Thompson: https://youtu.be/MofIHhCS_Y4He Built a $500M Real Estate Empire with NO MONEY - Ben Reinberg: https://youtu.be/w4SBQS0gtd0Watch ALL Full Episodes Here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLs0D-M5aH-0IOUKtQPKts-VZfO55mfH6k---The Money Mondays is a business podcast here to teach you how to make money, invest money, and donate money by showcasing some of the world's most successful people and how they do the same. Hosted by serial entrepreneur Dan Fleyshman, the youngest founder of a publicly traded company in history, this money podcast gives you an exclusive behind the scenes look at how the wealthiest celebrities, entrepreneurs, athletes and influencers make, invest and donate money.If you want to learn more business and investing while you work to improve your financial life, you're in the right place! Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@themoneymondays?sub_confirmation=1Dan Fleyshman,The Money MondaysLearn more here: https://themoneymondays.comWatch all the podcast episodes: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLs0D-M5aH-0IOUKtQPKts-VZfO55mfH6kLet’s Connect...Website: https://themoneymondays.comPodcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-money-mondays/id1663564091Twitter: https://twitter.com/themoneymondaysLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-money-mondays/about/TikTok: https://tiktok.com/@themoneymondaysFB: https://www.facebook.com/The-Money-Mondays-110233585203220/
Chapter 1: How did Cody Sperber eliminate $2M in taxes with real estate?
So I bought a building for 4.25 million. And at that time I owed a couple million dollars in taxes. I could have taken my millions that I had saved up to pay my taxes and paid my taxes. Or I could take my same millions and go put it down as a down payment, plus use some leftover money to repair the building and improve the property.
And then I did what's called a cost segregation study on the whole building and all the improvements I made. And then I accelerated that depreciation from accelerating my four and a half million dollar building into the first year, wiped out over $2 million in taxes, but I still own the building.
Chapter 2: Why is Miami the new location for The Money Mondays podcast?
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Money Mondays. As you guys know, we typically have this podcast inside of an RV motorhome for over 110 episodes. However, these last five episodes have been done here in the studio called Move. Why? Why am I here? Why am I doing a studio when I'm always doing it inside of a motorhome? Because we're in Miami.
Just through six events over the course of three days, which is insane, and a lot of the speakers are here. And one of them has been my dear friend. He's been part of... speaking at masterminds, hosting his own masterminds, hosting his own summits, 2,000-person conferences left and right for many, many years. And he's been getting deep into other types of businesses. He has a flooring company.
He has a commercial development company doing like $155 million. He's got so many things going on. And so without further ado, I'm going to have Cody Sperber, the Clever Investor, give you a quick two-minute bio so we can get straight to the money.
Chapter 3: What is Cody Sperber's journey in real estate development?
Well, first off, thanks for having me on. Appreciate you, brother. Yeah, I've been in real estate 22 years, done every type of deal under the sun, thousands of transactions, started off with no money down, really small houses, built my way up to doing big commercial development deals. Like you mentioned, that was a very nice intro. We've got a lot of commercial development going on right now.
We're really in three main areas, affordable housing, land entitlement, and then large developments where we're actually working with a lot of quick service drive-through, massive chains, the things that you've all heard of, the Chipotles and the Farmer Boys and Chick-fil-A's of the world and that kind of thing.
And we're helping them find locations, working with the city and then getting their buildings built so they can run their businesses. So that's on the real estate side of things. I started Clever Investor, the online education brand in 2009. That's what a lot of people on social media know me as. Just started teaching people how I was doing what I was doing.
And that was supposed to be something small on the side. I just love talking about real estate and it grew into one of the largest online education brands and had about 85,000 students come through that, which has been a real blessing because I love real estate and I love what it's done for me and my family and I love talking about it. So it was a match made in heaven.
And then recently, I took some of my real estate monies and my education monies and I started a business called Floor Daddy. And we're literally selling flooring, which is a whole new industry. But all of the things I learned in growing my other companies apply towards this industry as well. And I'm really passionate about it because everybody has floors.
Not everybody wants to learn how to flip a house or do a real estate deal, although they should want to know a lot about real estate because I haven't paid taxes in years. But everybody's got floors, and I love businesses that are kind of future-proof, AI's not going to disrupt them, and that are very scalable, that everybody can be my customer.
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Chapter 4: How can you start making money in real estate with no money down?
So on the Money Mondays, we cover three core topics, how to make money, how to invest money, how to give away to charity. On the make money side, how can people make money in real estate? I know that's an open-ended question because there's 15 different ways.
Well, where are you starting? What's your passion? And if you've got a lack of funds but a lot of hustle, and you're willing to put in some work to increase your skills and capabilities, you can start like I did, wholesaling houses. That's no money down real estate. There's a lot of creative real estate strategies out there. Wholesaling is one of them.
Taking over somebody's mortgage is a great way to get into a deal. Getting the seller to, there's a tremendous amount of free and clear properties out there. And there's softwares that literally tell you, here's one, here it is. You could do a quick search and get every free and clear property in your local area. And if you approach those sellers and say, hey, will you be my bank?
Will you participate in giving me the funding I need to buy your property off you? Maybe they're retiring as a landlord, but they still like the cashflow. there's a deal to be worked out there. So you got to squad up with somebody that's teaching this stuff. My favorite educators beside myself at Clever Investor would be like a Pace Morby, good friend of ours. He's great at teaching.
I try to find people that have great communities and that are very passionate about teaching because it's an art form to teach. It's not about the money for me. I don't really care about, we make money naturally just because we're passionate about it. And so I would squad up with somebody like that that has a good community and just get started and don't overthink it.
Don't put too much pressure on yourself. Just get out there, make some calls, make some offers. You'd be surprised. My first deal, I made $40,000. It changed my life and I never looked back since then.
So when you mentioned wholesaling, what the heck is that?
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Chapter 5: What is wholesaling in real estate and how does it work?
Well, it's kind of the we buy ugly houses concept. I see that billboard everywhere. Yeah, so well, what are they doing with their properties? Well, the way it works is if you look down any American street right now, it doesn't matter which one, 85, 90% of the houses and the owners that own those homes, they're not motivated at all. They got good jobs or they're financially stable.
And they're just living their lives. If they go to sell, they're gonna sell through a real estate agent, they're gonna take their time, they're gonna try to get top dollar, whatever. But 10 to 15% of those homeowners, at any given time, life is gonna run them over, right?
Death, divorce, inheriting an unwanted property, fire damage, flood damage, old, ugly house, doesn't qualify for a new loan, whatever. Well, when that happens, historically, Americans are pretty bad savers. And so all the money that they have is trapped in their house.
And so if you can learn some skills on how to market yourself to get out in front of those people when they have one of those opportunities, Problem properties or personal financial problems. And you show up and say, hey, I can help you get that money out of your house very quickly. You don't have to pay commissions. You don't have to wait three months to sell it traditionally.
And then you can work out a deal to put their house under contract. When you put their house under contract, even though you haven't bought it yet, you now control their real estate. And we can take that contract and I can go to a guy like you, Dan, that's got more money than time and you're looking for good investments. And I can say, hey, Dan, I got this house.
It's worth 250,000, but it needs a ton of work. I'm into it for 175. I'll give it to you for 185. Would you be interested in it? And you might say, 185, that's a smoking deal. I'll take that deal because not only will I rehab it, I'm gonna rip off the backside of the house, put another bedroom bathroom. And I don't even think it's worth 250. I think it's worth 275. or 300, whatever.
And it's a perfect deal for you. So I become a middleman, a matchmaker. I take the motivated seller and I take the cash buyer and I work the deal and I put them together and I get paid a wholesale fee, AKA an assignment fee for putting the deal together. And you don't need a real estate license to do this. That's what's great because you're doing this on your own behalf.
That's the workaround on why you don't need a license.
Very cool.
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Chapter 6: Why did Cody Sperber start a flooring company, Floor Daddy?
Yeah, well, I have became one of the biggest, best marketers just by necessity. And starting in 2009, social media was just starting to come around and buying ads on social media and funnels and copyright and all this stuff. And I had to teach myself how to become a marketer. And I became pretty good at it. And we made over $150 million selling education online through my Clever Investor brand.
But there is a ceiling to it. And I have these amazing skills of starting and scaling businesses. I got these great marketing skills. But I was looking for a vehicle that was really big. I didn't want a vehicle where AI was going to disrupt it anytime soon. If you're... plumbing goes down, you're calling a plumber. If your roof has a leak, you're calling a roofer.
There's certain industries that are, I don't want to say forever future-proof, maybe there'll be some Tesla robots. Yeah, but for a while, those businesses are tried, true, boring businesses that haven't really innovated or switched up their marketing angles yet. And here comes a guy like me. I don't know anything about flooring, although I've installed a lot of floors in my development projects.
And I just saw this huge market and we called it Floor Daddy because I'm a branding guy and a marketing guy. I was like, let's make it memorable. Sexy floors, affordable pricing, quality install. We got a little jingle. It's a cool name. It's memorable. And then I was my plan was just to out market everybody. And build a really great team, scale it.
And plus the last reason I went into flooring is private equity loves it. It's a very sellable business because it's not based around a person. It's not like my clever investor brand. It's like based around Cody. Whereas floor daddy, I don't really work at floor daddy that much. Personally, I'm not on the front lines. I'm not installing floors.
I'm running marketing and working with the team and the culture building. And that's a very cool business. And I have a great mentor in that business. His name is Tommy Mello. He owns A1 Garage Doors, one of the largest garage door repair companies in the country.
billion dollar evaluation about to have a second exit great mentor for me and we're like backwards engineering a sale my whole plan is to scale this thing for five years and sell a portion of it to private equity keep scaling use use that capital to keep scaling and then eventually maybe do it a second time and i'm sick and tired of seeing my friends like you get rich i want to be like you dan
So the reason I have so many different companies and investments is because I have an operator, a CEO, a quarterback. When you started Florida, did you decide someone's going to run it? You just said you don't really run it. I don't run any of my companies. I have a CEO or a quarterback running each one. What did you decide when you were doing it?
Yeah. So first I squatted up. I found some great partners, brought in Tommy, gave him some equity and said, hey, I want you to guide us. I brought in a couple of my best friends that I've been friends with for 20 years that were really great human beings that had complementary skills in me, like operation skills, finance skills, those kind of things. I took over charge of the marketing.
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Chapter 7: Why is investing in marketing crucial for business success?
And so I started building a team by bringing in other industry experts that have lots of experience, which cut our learning curve way down. And I'm also a very aggressive marketer.
I'm willing to spend a lot of money, screw a bunch of stuff up, build systems very fast, throw a lot of resources and energy at things in order to go quick because money loves speed and I don't want to be in the small phase for too long. When you're small, you die. Everything is painful when you're small. And I've screwed everything up. We were going so fast.
We're already doing over about 1.1 million a month right now. We're 10 months into this thing. And I'm installing floors in the wrong houses. We're not doing sub floors, right? I have to rip stuff up, get people free floors. Like there's lots of challenges on the quality control install side when you're bringing in that many customers this fast. But I love it because we're learning a ton.
We're building systems around it. And I'm starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel where this thing's just going to get that exponential return.
So you keep mentioning marketing a lot. Why should people consider spending money on marketing? Or more money on marketing.
Money flows where the energy goes. Maybe something like that. Yeah, I just, you know, you need to be the biggest cheerleader of yourself and your brand and your company at all times. And there's a lot of noise out there. People are distracted constantly. And so you got to kind of cut through that with the right messaging, the right hooks, and the right repetitiveness. Like, it's really...
you do get this exponential return on your marketing spend And you have to have marketing stamina. You really have to keep doubling down, doubling down, doubling down, tweaking, testing, tracking until you get it right. And over time, especially with flooring, you don't know when your customer's gonna need floors, but you gotta have that jingle in their head. You gotta have that messaging.
I bet you right now I can go into Arizona and say, name three flooring companies. And before Floor Daddy was around, they probably would have been able to name one, maybe two. And that's because they're on TV. They're on the billboards. They got a jingle. And then here comes floor daddy, small little company. I'm now competing with guys making hundreds of millions of dollars a year.
We're this little company and they're fearing us already. We got a fleet of cyber trucks. We got jingles. We got commercials. We got billboards. We're doing everything the big boys are doing. And trust they're paying attention. And it's a good thing because we're seeing the call volume scale every single month, month after month.
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Chapter 8: How does real estate investing help in reducing taxes?
Can you walk us through that whole concept of like, why should people consider buying a real estate and what that can do for their taxes?
Yeah, so there's something out there called depreciation, right? And the government kind of tells you what they want you to focus on. And you can depreciate a lot of assets, not just real estate. But with commercial real estate specifically, you could do this thing called a cost segregation study. So I bought a building for 4.25 million. And at that time, I owed a couple million dollars in taxes.
And so I could have taken my millions that I had saved up to pay my taxes and paid my taxes, right? My millions are gone, the government gets paid, and I move on to make more money. Or I could take my same millions and go put it down as a down payment, plus use some leftover money to repair the building and improve the property. And then rent that building out.
This particular building was an 18,000 square foot building with six different 3,000 square foot suites. And so we used some of the suites for our businesses and we rented out a bunch of the other suites. And then I did what's called a cost segregation study on the whole building and all the improvements I made. And then I accelerated that depreciation.
So instead of taking it over, say, 37 years, I was able to take it in the first two or three years. And it's changed a little bit since I bought there. Bonus depreciation used to be at 100% when Trump first got in office. Now it's down to, I believe, 60% or something like that. at least it was last year.
And so your accountant will be able to tell you like how fast you can accelerate that depreciation, how much you can take in that first year. But I essentially wiped out all my taxes from accelerating my four and a half million dollar building into the first year, wiped out over $2 million in taxes. but I still own the building. I still have the income from the building.
Now, let's say 10 years from now, I go to sell that building. There is some recapture of that, but hopefully by then I'm either in a lower tax bracket or I have another tax strategy that I can implement to make sure I don't pay taxes.
So on the investing side, people can invest into cryptocurrency, NFTs, businesses, small businesses, stock market. Why real estate? Why is that something you've dedicated your life to to focus on real estate?
Well, it's physical. I like that it's physical. It's tried and true. It's very proven. You know, there might be it's kind of a future proof business because, you know,
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