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Chapter 1: Who is Gloria Allred and what is her background?
Gloria Allred is one of America's best-known lawyers.
Women have found their power, and they're not going to be silent anymore. They're going to stand up for themselves.
The 83-year-old is the go-to lawyer for women's rights cases in the U.S. She has a reputation as a tough and tireless advocate for her clients. And she's represented women against powerful men, like Harvey Weinstein, R. Kelly, Bill Cosby, and Donald Trump. Truth matters.
Women matter. Those who allege that they were victims of sexual misconduct or sexual assault by Mr. Trump matter.
Allred's famous for holding press conferences. In front of cameras and microphones, she hugs and comforts tearful clients.
The public deserves to know if Mr. Cosby is a saint or a sexual predator.
I can remember talking to somebody about her going, wow, thank God there's a woman out there who's taking care of women.
Caroline Walner became a client of Allred's firm in 2021.
And I thought she was really amazing. You know, I still actually feel like she's done a lot of good bringing things to the forefront when maybe they wouldn't have been before. You know, I mean, sometimes there are two truths to things. This might be one of those times in my situation.
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Chapter 2: What are some criticisms against Gloria Allred's firm?
So do you regret working with Gloria Allred's law firm?
Absolutely. It's been like the scariest roller coaster ride with this because, you know, when you feel like, you know, people are starting to understand and then all of a sudden you get like even more scared than you were before because they're constantly trying to put a muzzle on you. That's what this is all about. Like not talking.
In her reporting on Allred, Khadija has spoken to dozens of people, including former clients, lawyers, and people who've approached Allred's firm. Many said Allred's public image is at odds with their experience behind the scenes. Some clients said Allred's firm ignored their wishes and instead of helping them find their voice, silenced them through non-disclosure agreements.
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Coming up on the show, the high pressure tactics Gloria Allred uses on her own clients.
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Caroline Wallner accused the acclaimed author Neil Gaiman of sexual exploitation. She said that it happened when she was a caretaker for a property Gaiman owned. Gaiman denied the allegations. Wallner approached Gloria Allred's firm, Allred, Morocco, and Goldberg, in 2021. She wanted to find a lawyer who could take on a case against such a high-profile figure.
And that's when I just thought, well, I guess I could go to the best, Gloria Allred, and looked her up on the internet, and I emailed her. And probably three hours later or something, they called me.
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Chapter 3: What is Caroline Walner's experience with Gloria Allred's firm?
What was your state of mind at the time you were approaching the firm?
I was probably like one of the lowest periods I've ever been in my life. I was not in a good place at all. And I did tell them that, you know.
Caroline spoke with Allred's legal partner, Nathan Goldberg. And what happened surprised her. When she told him Gaiman's lawyer's name, he told her that he actually knew that lawyer and he would call him.
And, you know, I don't think after that conversation I really ever got to go into the sex abuse and what had happened. Like, I don't think he ever knew any of the details. Maybe I had told him a couple of them. I can't really remember. I was asked, like, not a lot of questions about that.
After that call, things moved fast. Within a day of retaining Allred's firm, Caroline had signed a settlement with Gaiman. It included a non-disclosure agreement, or NDA, that both she and Gaiman signed. These agreements prevented her from suing Gaiman or speaking about her allegations against him to family, friends, and associates.
She and Gaiman were also asked to destroy photos, texts, and videos they sent each other. But the settlement wasn't the only thing Caroline signed over those quick few days. When she agreed to be a client of Allred's firm, she signed a retainer agreement, basically a contract between a lawyer and a client. Within this contract was something called a forced arbitration clause.
This clause is found in many types of contracts, and in this case was meant to prevent Caroline from taking the firm to court or publicizing her experience with the firm.
The thing that makes it interesting for Gloria, she has spoken out publicly against forced arbitration clauses.
That's our colleague Khadija Safdar again.
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Chapter 4: How do NDAs and arbitration clauses affect clients?
And there's like even some language on her website where she talks about these private arbitrations. She say they, quote, deprive survivors an opportunity to be heard and seek justice in a system of checks and balances. So she's criticized these agreements, but then she employs them in her own retainer agreements.
It protects Allred and her firm.
From public scrutiny. So you can still seek recourse against her in an arbitration, but the public wouldn't know about it. She said, when I asked her about it, that she does it because she's trying to protect women who have NDAs from opening themselves up to financial penalties.
Caroline said when she signed the settlement agreement, her focus wasn't on her ability to speak about her case. She said she believed at the time she was Gaiman's only accuser.
Did you have time to read the NDA?
I mean, he said you should read the NDA, but the NDA was so long and it was not language that I was used to at all. I did not know what a lot of it even meant. And we didn't go over the NDA together at all.
In a statement, Allred said, quote, Caroline said her top priority at the time was finding a place to live for herself and her three daughters after Gaiman had evicted them. I wasn't in the frame of mind to even make a decision about an NDA, to tell you the truth.
I didn't have a place to live. And it's kind of like when you're in a situation like that, it's like, wait a minute, what is right in front of you? Right in front of you is you need like a roof over your girl's head, you know, and like groceries and a refrigerator. And that's how I was thinking.
I wasn't thinking about the fact that the NDA was going to like hold me hostage for the rest of my life.
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Chapter 5: What are the challenges of speaking out against powerful figures?
How did the podcast make you feel?
Oh, completely sick. I mean, what happened to us was different, very different, but so much of it was the same.
Caroline began to feel strongly that she should speak out about what happened to her.
The only way to take care of yourself when you've experienced a trauma is to talk about it and to come to terms with it and try to understand that it was not your fault. And so to not be able to talk about that and to have to keep that silent is really, really bad for your mental health. And I think that's one of the things that keeps people traumatized. It's re-traumatizing. It absolutely is.
Caroline wanted to speak out publicly and support the women. She contacted Goldberg, her lawyer at Allred's firm, to ask if she could.
And he said, listen, don't be stupid. If you break your NDA, you are breaking the law. You sign that NDA and you have to follow it by law. Don't be a fool. You're one of the lucky ones. And, you know, if you do break this NDA, I will no longer represent you. And that's what he said. And he hung up. And I hung up.
How did you feel after that call?
Oh, I was... I mean, I was totally crying. I was crying so hard because it was really... It was aggressive. It was an aggressive phone call.
Caroline did break her NDA. Eventually, she hired a different lawyer to send a letter to Allred's firm alleging malpractice. Allred's firm responded, saying that Caroline couldn't sue or publicize her experience due to her retainer agreement. But there was more. Allred's firm made clear they had recently obtained what they called sexually provocative texts, photos, and videos from Gaiman's lawyer.
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Chapter 6: How did Caroline Walner react to other accusations against Neil Gaiman?
You know... Caroline told Khadijah that she didn't send any nude photos or videos.
It was just so duplicitous and shocking. And I don't know, it just felt really kind of like, I don't know what the word is for something like that, like Machiavellian or something.
Caroline and Gaiman have now both filed arbitration claims against the other for breaching the terms of their NDA. Allred said she can't respond to specific client allegations because of ethics rules and other legal reasons. Caroline told Khadija that looking back at her experience with Allred's firm, she wished she'd been encouraged to go to the police. She also talked about signing the NDA.
There's a problem with signing an NDA, and that is with somebody who is a serial predator, and that is that you protect them because you have to be silent about that so you don't go on the record. And I don't know what to do about that. You know, that's like a societal issue that I think has to be talked about.
Khadija spoke with dozens of people who felt silenced or let down by Allred. Effie's story is next. Efresina Angelova was 24 when she posted on her Instagram page messages she'd received from the actor Armie Hammer. Hammer has appeared in films like The Social Network and Call Me By Your Name. The messages discussed rape and cannibalism.
They went viral online and led to other women making allegations against the star. Hammer has denied the allegations. Efrasina, who goes by Effie, spoke to our colleague Khadija.
We're going to go back to when you first approached Gorya Alred to help you. Why did you approach her?
I was speaking out about my rape and a lot of people were recommending that I get a lawyer. And a lot of those people were recommending Gloria specifically because, you know, she's known as this like feminist icon that like helps victims and protects victims and fights for victims' rights. So she has a reputation.
Effie became a client of Allred's in 2021, and like Caroline, she was asked to sign a retainer agreement with the forced arbitration clause. She requested that the law firm remove it, but they refused. Effie ended up signing the agreement. Allred would help Effie pro bono to provide evidence to law enforcement and act as her media spokesperson when and if needed.
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