The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
534. How Some Muslim Countries Navigate Extremism | Mark Siljander
Mon, 31 Mar 2025
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with ex-Congressman, ambassador, and author Mark Siljander. They discuss the numerous times he brokered peace in Middle Eastern and African conflicts, the Neo-con worldview, Donald Trump, his role in the Abraham Accords, pushing back against Islamism, and how to build a bridge between true Islam and the west. Mark Siljander is an ex-Congressman, ambassador, and author of “A Dangerous Misunderstanding: A Congressman's Quest to Bridge the Muslim-Christian Divide. This episode was filmed on March 5th 2025 | Links | For Mark Siljander: Read “A Deadly Misunderstanding: A Congressman's Quest to Bridge the Muslim-Christian Divide” https://a.co/d/6skKSkA
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Obviously, during the 60s, there was a huge rebellion in the United States against the use of the military in fighting the communists in Vietnam. As I matured and learned more about the absolute horrors of communism, how many people in Cambodia died when the communists took over? Four million in the killing fields? At least. Something like that.
This is extraordinary naivete to think one could go to Iraq, or even Syria for that matter, and force an American, US-style democracy on a people group that is broken into different faith groups, Muslim, Shiite, Sunni.
It was completely absurd. 47 of 50 Muslim-majority countries are not democracies.
And there is a fourth or fifth century copy of what they call the Peshitta text. And Peshitta means simple and straightforward. And it has the Aramaic language of Jesus. So I began reading that and then reading the Quran. And while I had many nice things to say about Jesus, it also said things, for example, he's not the son of God. He wasn't crucified. I felt, how does one say this?
We were assured by his opposition that he was a warmonger and that you could imagine him voted in high school as most likely to start World War III. But, you know, one of the things we might always remind ourselves is that we might not be able to recognize a true peacemaker when one comes along.
But he shouldn't be trifled with. That's the other side of Trump.
I had the privilege today of sitting down with Mark Silgender, a former congressman.
Mark wrote a book in 2008 called A Deadly Misunderstanding.
A Congressman's Quest to Bridge the Muslim-Christian Divide. Now, when Mark entered Congress decades ago, he was a pretty straight-laced and rather hawk-like, so war-like, evangelical Christian with a pretty pronounced anti-Muslim stance, pro-Christian, anti-Muslim stance, very partisan in the religious sense. And he had an epiphany while serving as a congressman that said,
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