The Dylan Gemelli Podcast
Episode #30 Featuring Dr. Robin Rose! The Gut Microbiome and Covid Expert!! Insight on how the covid virus works, the dangers of spike proteins, long covid concerns, a FULL breakdown of leaky gut, how to treat it, SPORE probiotics and MORE!!
Tue, 27 May 2025
Episode #30 Featuring Dr. Robin Rose! In this amazing interview, Dylan obtains a plethora of deep insight from Dr. Rose from her two areas of expertise: The gut microbiome and everything covid related! . Dr. Rose first focuses on leaky gut, providing an insightful understanding of what it is and how to treat it. Then the conversation shifts to understanding Pre, Post and Probiotics as well as discussing the benefits of SPORE probiotics. The conversation then takes a deep dive into understanding covid, from spike proteins, to protocols for recovery, an explaining of viral load, long covid facts and severity and so much more!!! This is a priceless amount of information that is a MUST LISTEN!!Check out Dr. Robin and Terrain Health Here! https://terrainhealth.org/meet-dr-rose/Follow Dr. Robin on instagramhttps://www.instagram.com/dr.robinrose/?hl=en______________________________________________________________________PLEASE RATE AND REVIEW THE DYLAN GEMELLI PODCAST and THANK YOU FOR THE CONTINUED SUPPORT!! Follow Dylan on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter and Tiktok @dylangemelliEmail Dylan for booking, collaborations and/or to apply for the Dylan Gemelli [email protected] PURCHASE MITOPURE visit Dylan's landing page and use code DYLAN10 to save!!https://www.timeline.com/promotions/dylangemelliRSShttps://rss.com/podcasts/the-dylan-gemelli-podcastApplehttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-dylan-gemelli-podcast/id1780873400I Hearthttps://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-the-dylan-gemelli-podcast-249695201/Spotifyhttps://open.spotify.com/show/3In4QlJj4IvHqq0eduKj7mPandorahttps://www.pandora.com/podcast/the-dylan-gemelli-podcast/PC:1001096187Stitcherhttps://www.stitcher.com/show/1096187FM Playerhttps://player.fm/series/the-dylan-gemelli-podcastPodchaserhttps://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/the-dylan-gemelli-podcast-5933919
Chapter 1: What is the background of Dr. Robin Rose?
all right everybody welcome back to the dylan gemelli podcast so we have a very very very exciting time today that i have been waiting and looking forward to so my guest today she does quite a bit and i've already learned a ton from her i'm sure many of you have heard of her but just some of her credentials first she is a board certified specialist in gastroenterology and internal medicine
She has a bachelor's degree in behavioral neuroscience with honors from Lehigh University and a master's degree in neuropsychology from New York University. She also has a medical degree from the New York College of Osteopathic Medicine. And she is the CEO and founder of Terrain Health. And she did that because she wanted to practice health care, not sick care.
And she's known for being an expert on the gut microbiome and long COVID. So we got a ton of stuff to get into today. So my friends, welcome. Dr. Robin Rose.
Thanks Dylan for having me. I really appreciate it. I'm so excited to be with you. Educate your audience on all that we can talk about.
100%. Well, everybody, I've had the blessing of knowing Robin now for several months, and she's going to be doing some tests on me as well and help me out with some things I have concerns about. And she is just, beyond being highly respected, just a wealth of knowledge.
But beyond that, what I would say is just a huge breath of fresh air because of the way that she goes about her teaching, the compassion that she shows, and the knowledge that she has. So we're going to dig into a lot of different topics today that I think some people are either scared to touch on or don't know a lot about, have misconceptions, have like hearsay things.
So that's why she's here to help and educate. So Dr. Robin, let's first just kind of start with your background a little bit. Uh, why, why gastroenterology? Why internal medicine? What turned you on to that? What fascinated you with that?
Yeah. So when I was doing my training in internal medicine, um, it was funny. I actually thought I was going to maybe specialize in hematology, oncology. Then I thought I was going to do cardiology and I landed on gastro because I just liked the, the, the system. And I struggled with some irritable bowel syndrome myself. Maybe that's TMI, but I did. And I also liked procedures.
Like I wanted to be a proceduralist. So you do upper endoscopies, colonoscopies, and you get to do really cool things when you're in there with the scope, like stop bleeding ulcers and take out really large masses or polyps that could turn into cancer or that maybe are cancer. And you have a lot of opportunities to like
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Chapter 2: What is leaky gut and how can it be treated?
Yeah, you want to talk about that?
I do because it's very confusing.
Yeah, it's a little confusing.
Can you just say, okay, first of all, can you just say what the heck is a prebiotic and a postbiotic? And two, what do we need and what don't we need?
Okay, so prebiotics are the food that the bacteria in your gut are feeding off of. And the interesting thing is, and you can look at this in a lot of different ways, but giving yourself a prebiotic or a specific prebiotic might not be good for one person, but be good for another person because you each have your own unique microbial blueprint, right?
And so based on the bacteria that are there, what prebiotic is right for you, right? So I always say, you know, really having that beautiful diversified diet of all the colors of the rainbow. Right. And, you know, sticking to either side of the grocery store, like where you're in the produce section or right. Meat, fish and that stuff like that.
Eating anything that man hasn't gotten in the way of and staying away from that standard American diet, you're going to give yourself the prebiotics, like from all the veggies and the fruit, you know, all those things, right? So, you know, resistant starches, all that stuff is going to be really important in helping diversify and feed that microbiome.
Sure, there's different things like inulin and so forth, you know, but again, it's, you don't know what each person's blueprint is, right? Unless you test every single person and know that, and then you can maybe match that prebiotic to the population that's, you know, living there.
And of course, if you took maybe, you know, something that has a bunch of different prebiotics in it, that's always helpful, of course, but eating foods that specifically have these prebiotics in them. And, you know, at the end of the, you know, I could give you a list of like really good prebiotic like foods.
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Chapter 3: What are probiotics, prebiotics, and postbiotics?
metabolite right right right then you have amazingly fantastic metabolites like your short chain fatty acids which everyone many people have heard of right so and those short chain fatty acids like do a million different things you know everything from you know um you know restoring health and balance to the integrity of the intestinal mucosal barrier keeping intact you know the tight you know making sure the tight junctional proteins are functioning properly cardiovascular health metabolic health
Like all those things. Right. So so that's what the post. So I I believe that probably in the future, like products that really show efficacy, good efficacy with these post biotics or these metabolites is where we're going to go, because it's really that the end result. Right. That's the end game. It's not the fact that those bacteria are living there.
It's what are they doing for us and what are they making for us? They're living there on purpose to make these things so that we are healthy. Right. Right. So it's going to be all much. I think it's going to be more about the post biotics or these metabolites.
Got it. So.
And there's this one I'm doing. I'm plugging for people. Not that I don't even know. I have no ties to any of these people, by the way. But so there's a wonderful product that I used for quite some time and I still use it. And it's called the antibiotic. OK. And the antibiotic. is all of the thousands of these postbiotics or these metabolites that we're talking about.
So what they do is they get donor stool that's screened, right? And then they take the stool and they autoclave the crap out of it, right? So that then what's left, so anything left Any like protein, RNA, like any bacteria, it's all dead. Okay, so that's dead. And what's left are these beautiful postbiotics or metabolites. And then they encapsulate that. So it's like freeze-dried protein. poop.
And people like to tell my patients, they're like, Oh, but no, I mean, you know, fecal microbial transplants, you know, can reverse and regress, like many chronic disease states and conditions, right? This is being studied all over the world.
So this is a way around that, because you're giving them from a healthy donor, right from a healthy donor, who has like a perfect, you know, looking microbiome, you're giving giving people the metabolites
from their microbiome does that make sense and so yeah that's a great product and it works great you know people do one great on it that's laughing because i pulled this up to look at it and it says right on here good shit guarantee and it says are you our next yeah are you our next unicorn pooper and it says they're looking for donors and donors yeah okay yeah oh my gosh so
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Chapter 4: How does COVID affect the gut microbiome?
Chapter 5: What protocols are effective for COVID recovery?
Yeah.
Does that concept make sense? Like that? It's a hard concept.
Well, it makes sense.
It's so hard.
It makes sense to me because I'm in class right now studying cellular biology and everything. So I understand everything you're talking about. I totally get it. I just got done learning about senescent cells and autophagy.
Oh, that's perfect.
Perfect. I work with Timeline Nutrition, and so I'm very familiar with creating mitophagy and urolithin A. So this is all my wheelhouse. So I get it. But, you know, I want to make, I'm sure that people... I'm trying to like dumb it down.
But you can dumb it down more if you... Yeah, 100%. Just jump in. So, okay. And then the last part I'm going to say about this is you have productive cells and depo cells.
Okay.
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Chapter 6: What are the dangers of spike proteins?
And then another type of productive cell is a cell that has the mRNA in it from the vaccine that's able to still produce spike protein. Does that make sense?
So that's not good.
No, that's not good. But then because of all the free floating spike and all the spike that we produce from the vaccine or virus when we're infected, the spike is a magnet for any cell in your body. Okay. And the spike. can actually attach to over two dozen different host cell receptors in our body. So everyone always hears ACE, ACE, ACE receptor, ACE. No, no, no. That's like one of 26 receptors.
That's why it's such a beast. And that's why it impacts so many different organ systems because it can access almost every cell in our body. OK, so if you have free floating spike without the mRNA or the virus, right, that spike is a magnet for any healthy cell it comes into. It doesn't live in the blood. I just want to make that like it has no purpose. It doesn't it doesn't want to be there.
It will just like you'll eventually just get rid of it. You'll pee or poop it out. So as soon as it comes in contact with a healthy cell, it accesses that host cell receptor, gets in, and that's a deep host cell.
So it's not productive because it doesn't have machinery behind it like a virus or the mRNA to make more, but it's still a spike inside a cell that now made that cell senescent and now overrides autophagy and it needs to be taken out also. Does that make sense?
Yeah.
So you got to, you got to get all those cells out. And then the other cells, like I told you from the SAS, you know, that are, that don't have spike or virus in it, you know, they can be safe and it's every cell in your body. It's like the immune cell, every endothelial cell, epithelial cells, your astrocytes in your brain, your like everything.
Right.
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