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The American People Deserve the Truth — Charlie and PBD on The Unusual Suspects Live at AmFest

Sun, 12 Jan 2025

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Enjoy this snippet of Charlie's interview with PBD on The Unusual Suspects podcast live at AmericaFest, where they discuss fulfilling Trump's mandate, what Tulsi Gabbard can accomplish once she is confirmed, how young men have shifted to the right, why college is a scam, and more. Listen to the Unusual Suspects here: https://www.youtube.com/@theunusualsuspectspodcastSupport the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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00:00 - 00:21 Charlie Kirk

Hey, everybody, my conversation with Patrick Bet-David live from America Fest. We had a great dialogue back and forth on the PBD Unusual Suspects show. So check it out. As always, email us freedom at charliekirk.com. Get involved with Turning Point USA today at tpusa.com. That is tpusa.com. Buckle up, everybody. Here we go.

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00:21 - 00:22 Patrick Bet-David

Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.

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00:22 - 00:24 Patrick Bet-David

Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.

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00:24 - 00:27 Patrick Bet-David

I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.

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00:28 - 00:52 Patrick Bet-David

charlie kirk's running the white house folks i want to thank charlie he's an incredible guy his spirit his love of this country he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created turning point usa we will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries destroyed lives and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country that's why we are here

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00:54 - 01:16 Charlie Kirk

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01:19 - 01:36 Charlie Kirk

Welcome to the show, Peabody Peabody. To pick up where you left off, I want to give you credit. You predicted this. The puppet master, President Elon Musk. Two months ago. Yeah, we talked about this on the podcast yesterday. Your thoughts on what's going on with Elon, Trump, Charlie, everything. You predicted this sort of alignment. What are your thoughts?

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01:36 - 02:02 Patrick Bet-David

So I think what Charlie said is very important because I'm not with Elon and Trump. If anybody knows that, it's him. It's the people that are on the inside. And if they say it's good, that's all that matters. That relationship needs to stay so strong and tight, they're going to play games. You know, in anything you do in life, the moment you win at the highest level, the enemy doesn't like it.

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02:02 - 02:22 Patrick Bet-David

What comes next is flattery. And here's how flattery comes. Flattery comes in and says, hey, J.D., just so you know, Trump would have never won without you. Oh, man. Okay? Everybody knows. We all talk about it. When people say things like that, hey, Bobby, just so you know, he wouldn't have won without you. You're the real reason why he won. The divisive nature is out there.

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02:22 - 02:23 Charlie Kirk

This is so correct.

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02:23 - 02:41 Patrick Bet-David

This is not going away anytime soon. So imagine my relationship with Charlie, right? I've had a great relationship with Charlie. Charlie and I have a good relationship together. Somebody calls me and tells me things about me to pump me up over Charlie or go to Charlie. We play two different games. We both are fighting the same cause.

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02:41 - 03:05 Patrick Bet-David

But the fact that we stay united, there is nothing more intimidating to the enemy than a party or a team or a family or a company that stays united. Do you know how scary that is? And by the way, you can't even laugh when they compliment you. You can't even say, hey, you know, it's really about you. I had a list of top 10 people that helped Trump win the election. I have them in the top five.

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03:05 - 03:27 Patrick Bet-David

And I've said this everywhere. What he did with TikTok, that strategy, the way he broke it down. I think everybody here watching this should go and hear the way he broke down what they did TikTok. You go to the enemy. And then you find a way to create content there. How many young people watched and had their ideas changed?

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03:27 - 03:41 Patrick Bet-David

How many people sat there and said, you know, I never thought about this before. Look what's going on here with Turning Point USA. How many people came here because they saw the content that he posted on TikTok? To me, the more united they stay, the more afraid the enemy is going to be. And that's very important. Yeah.

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03:42 - 04:00 Charlie Kirk

PBD, you are spot on. So if you think of, you look at just CIA playbook psychological operations, the top five things, how do you destabilize the government? How do you try to fracture a power center? They're going to try to run this play. The first thing they have to do is they have to try to create daylight and schism amongst this power alliance of Elon Musk and Donald Trump.

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04:00 - 04:18 Charlie Kirk

It is play number one. Because think about it, that is too much. It's too much power. It is too ascendant, right? You got $400 billion. You got Twitter. You got X. You got SpaceX. You got Boring Company, Neuralink. I mean, and the world's wealthiest... And that's what's most popular, man, besides Trump. So they have to try to create a schism there. So if I was the Democrats...

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04:18 - 04:31 Charlie Kirk

I would go all in on any means necessary of stories, leaks, you know, oh, Donald Trump is mad at, Elon Musk is mad at, and it's all BS. I can just tell you this. I've seen it with my own eyes. I know all the people involved. You know, I've gotten to know Elon. He's amazing.

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04:32 - 04:43 Charlie Kirk

Obviously know the president very well, that there is no daylight between the two, and they are in harmony and lockstep to continue to fulfill this mandate and the agenda. But you guys have to know this. The Democrats, that is their initial play, and it's a very smart play.

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04:43 - 05:02 Charlie Kirk

Because all of a sudden, if you can start to divide, then you can start to pick apart the administration, turn people against each other. Because if Elon remains in lockstep, if Elon remains in harmony with our movement, we're talking about an 8, 12, 16, 20-year reign, the likes of which we could have never dreamed before. Because Elon represents the thing the Democrats thought they had.

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05:02 - 05:11 Charlie Kirk

They thought they had full oligarch control, that every oligarch was behind the Democrats. They thought they had Bezos. They thought they had Zuckerberg. Now, they're obviously defecting away because of recent political events.

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05:11 - 05:23 Charlie Kirk

The Democrat Party is now saying if this is sustained, they see the writing on the wall, and the earlier they could try to divide the two and create this fake fissure, this schism, the quicker they think they can get back to power.

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05:23 - 05:44 Charlie Kirk

Very smart people. Can I tell you why you guys are absolutely right? Did you see what Elon Musk tweeted today? No. He said the following. This is exactly their goal. Elon Musk. Political and legacy media puppets all got their new instructions yesterday and are now parroting the same message to drive a wedge between the real Donald Trump and me. They will fail. Signed,

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05:45 - 05:59 Charlie Kirk

And here's what's so great is that they were too transparent and too naked with their psychological operation that it's now backfiring that now this play will then be flushed out as you guys are obviously trying to divide us. Let's grow closer together. And that's so they overplayed their hand.

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05:59 - 06:13 Charlie Kirk

And also we are now at a heightened state of awareness because we understand the media lies that we're constantly being opt that now the fact that he tweeted that means that they're all going to grow closer together. He's going to double and triple and quadruple down. And I can't say that. A decade ago, I don't know if that tweet would have been sent.

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06:13 - 06:27 Charlie Kirk

It would have been like, oh, I don't know about this. I'm cautious of you. Now when the op is being run, it was so obvious. Every Democrat got their marching orders, tried to do this. In fact, they were creating images with Grok that, you know, Elon was actually president or the king and Donald Trump. All a bunch of BS.

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06:28 - 06:34 Charlie Kirk

But now the fact that they identified it, spotted it, shows that the Musk-Trump duo is only going to continue.

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06:34 - 06:34 Charlie Kirk

That's awesome.

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06:35 - 06:49 Patrick Bet-David

So, Charlie, besides Doge, which, I mean, Elon and Vivek, I'm excited. It's almost like a Super Bowl is coming. We can't wait. Who is your favorite appointment that is coming in? Who do you have?

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06:49 - 07:23 Charlie Kirk

I mean, Bobby Kennedy. Oh, that's my favorite. Oh. Yeah. Now, Bobby Kennedy, understand this. It's not the Department of Defense. It's not Medicare. The thing we spend the most money on in this country is health and human services. $1.6 trillion a year is the HHS budget.

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07:23 - 07:42 Charlie Kirk

That is Donald Trump giving a middle finger to Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Moderna, Johnson & Johnson, the Goliath drug companies that have done so much damage to this country, and then Tulsi Gabbard. I'm a big believer that a nation that keeps secrets unnecessarily from its people cannot survive. that a government that keeps secrets from its people is an illegitimate government.

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07:43 - 08:01 Charlie Kirk

The DNI is the keeper of America's secrets. Tulsi Gabbard must be confirmed as DNI director. We deserve, as the American people, the truth of what happened on July 13th when Donald Trump got shot, the truth of what happened on January 6th and the pipe bombs and who planted them on the RNC and the DNC, and most importantly, the truth of the JFK assassination.

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08:01 - 08:05 Charlie Kirk

We deserve those files to be declassified immediately and Tulsi Gabbard will deliver on them. I agree.

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08:05 - 08:23 Patrick Bet-David

Oh, that's so frigging. I think mine, Charlie, being Kash Patel, I think because you I think you tweeted this, Charlie, and I was following it along. We talked about the podcast a while ago that just just the FBI, Christopher Wray stepping down in January. Obviously, they're there to me. They're the most politically biased from all the way from Russia.

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08:23 - 08:25 Charlie Kirk

Dangerous. They could just raid your house for no reason.

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08:25 - 08:33 Patrick Bet-David

Whenever the hell they want. Yeah. Who are the who are the ones? Who are the main... Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, that whole... Andy McKay, that whole freaking crew.

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08:33 - 08:33 Charlie Kirk

That's right.

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08:33 - 08:42 Patrick Bet-David

So, Charlie, George Floyd, the coroner, we just found out that the coroner changed the autopsy notes after a visit from the FBI. Let's all let that sink in.

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08:42 - 08:43 Charlie Kirk

No, this is...

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08:44 - 08:54 Patrick Bet-David

That's legit. Think about that. Change the notes. Why? Because they wanted to make sure it wasn't because of the drugs, the fentanyl that he had in him. When did this come out? A couple days ago. Wow.

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08:54 - 09:07 Charlie Kirk

Change the Hennepin County original medical autopsy. Which you remember, they say he did not die of strangulation or... Oh, asphyxiation. No, he did die of that. It wasn't the drugs. Yeah, that's correct.

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09:07 - 09:16 Patrick Bet-David

So it was. They came out. They lied. Well, oh, that's the FBI. So that's number one. So you're saying it was the coroner. The coroner. Well, the FBI visited him.

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09:16 - 09:22 Charlie Kirk

Well, remember, the original coroner report was completely different than what was submitted as evidence in Chauvin's time. Yeah. Yeah. So this is the third.

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09:23 - 09:44 Patrick Bet-David

And he's requesting samples from his blood and his heart and all that stuff. And then Charlie, so that's coming down to January 6th, which we talked about, which I believe, you know, not even believe, we found out not only were there undercover agents inside the crowd, there was 26 humans. What were they called? Confidential. Confidential human sources, which are spies. These aren't appointed.

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09:44 - 09:57 Patrick Bet-David

These are people that were caught. They were snitches. They got caught, and now they have to work for them. How deep do you think that went? Because if that's the truth, then they were the ones provoking it. They're the ones that made January 6th happen. Well, this is why DNI is so important.

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09:57 - 10:16 Charlie Kirk

Exactly. And DNI is the keeper of America's secrets. In fact, the way that DNI was chartered, it didn't exist before 9-11. It was supposed to be the superseding authority above CIA, above DHS, above Five Eyes. DNA is the central nervous system of all the intel networks, and Tulsi Gabbard can fix that. So as far as January 6th goes, all that's important.

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10:16 - 10:35 Charlie Kirk

I think the key that we have to focus on, because you can't focus on everything, is one question. Who planted the pipe bombs? The pipe bombs are everything. Remember, they were planted at both the RNC and the DNC. We know everybody that was at the Capitol. We know grandmas that were praying in the Capitol Rotunda. We know people that were waving U.S. Constitution flags. Wait a second.

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10:35 - 10:49 Charlie Kirk

There were pipe bombs at the place where the vice president, Kamala Harris, the soon-to-be vice president, was visiting. She visited the DNC. And we don't know who planted those pipe bombs. Those are the heaviest charges that have yet to be filed because we all know who planted the pipe bomb. Obviously.

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10:49 - 10:59 Charlie Kirk

We know that it was probably, almost assuredly, a government contractor, an FBI agent that planted these pipe bombs at both. And who, by the way, who plants them both at the RNC and the DNC? Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.

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10:59 - 11:17 Charlie Kirk

Well, it only makes sense is if January 6th did not, if the Capitol storming did not work and they needed to create some sort of a narrative that Donald Trump's people were creating terror that day. There is so much wrong with what happened with the pipe bombs. We do not have an arrest. We don't have a suspect. Who was it?

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11:18 - 11:31 Charlie Kirk

We find that out, we can get down to the fundamental core that our government, like so many other things, was actively involved, not just covering it up, but involved in the practice and the execution of the events on January 6th.

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11:32 - 11:52 Patrick Bet-David

Charlie, going back to you were talking about all these people coming in and flipping the table upside down. I mean, we're talking about going after big pharma. We're talking about going after big food. Charlie, these are big time, dangerous ass people. This is no joke. We know what these people are about. How fearful are you and how fearful should Donald Trump be?

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11:52 - 12:10 Patrick Bet-David

We still don't know who this Thomas Crooks is. Like, we found out who Luigi Mangione was. In six hours, we know his life, the letters he wrote, his ex-girlfriends, he might be gay. We still don't know. Thomas Crooks had six cell phones. We don't know nothing about that guy. How fearful should Donald Trump be still? There's less than how many days, Pat?

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12:10 - 12:12 Charlie Kirk

Less than 29 days.

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12:12 - 12:17 Patrick Bet-David

How fearful should he be? And even if he's in, Charlie, they're still in there. The deep state is not going anywhere.

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12:17 - 12:31 Charlie Kirk

I mean, look, I pray for his safety every single day, and we should all pray for his safety. I think he's only alive thanks to the grace of God, and they try to kill him again, and they try to kill him again. And look, I mean, I don't want to say how fearful he is because Donald Trump is not an afraid man.

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12:31 - 12:48 Charlie Kirk

He has every reason not to leave Mar-a-Lago for the next 29 days, but he's coming here on Sunday because he's not an afraid man to come address all of you. So the best way I can answer the question, though, is Donald Trump's strategy seems to be I'm not going to pick one fight. I'm going to pick every single fight. And we're going to lose some and win some. And we're going to flood the zone.

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12:49 - 13:02 Charlie Kirk

And we're going to do things that the deep state don't like. And we have to understand, like, when you storm a beach, you're not everyone's going to make it, right? But eventually some people are going to pierce through, and you're going to do some remarkable things. I mean, think about it. It's not just Bobby Kennedy. It's Tulsi Gabbard. It's Kash Patel. It's Pam Bondi.

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13:03 - 13:08 Charlie Kirk

And then once we do what's in it, it's Russ Vogt at OMB. I mean, with Stephen Miller doing the immigration stuff,

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13:09 - 13:32 Charlie Kirk

up with all of this yeah and that is the brilliance of the strategy the traditional republican playbook is like pick one or two controversial things and focus on it no no we're in a brave new world guys we are in a new era completely we are going to do 15 simultaneously game-changing things with people that have a dedicated scope of work and you are not going to be able to cover it you're not going to be able to stop it we are going to flood the zone because we are the media i love the

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13:32 - 13:49 Charlie Kirk

We are the media, and if we get half of it, America will be a fundamentally better place because of it. By the way, that's why we worked as hard as we worked at Turning Point Action. That's why you guys worked as hard as you worked, because we wanted a revolutionary change in our government, not just neat reorganizing around the edges.

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13:49 - 14:06 Charlie Kirk

Charlie, amazing answer right there. By the way, I want to focus this question on young men. You see that guy right there? That young man right there? Little Tico right there. Patrick Bet-David. A round of applause for this young man. Patrick! He's my boy. Patrick's son. Young men, what you're doing on universities, what you're talking about. You didn't go to college.

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14:06 - 14:16 Charlie Kirk

I love when you just dismantle people. When you're saying, yeah, I didn't go to college. I didn't get a degree. I read. I learned. By the way, same with PBD. Advice for young men. Entrepreneurship.

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14:16 - 14:20 Patrick Bet-David

Did you not go to college? No. We have that in common. Yeah, zero. I love that.

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14:20 - 14:25 Patrick Bet-David

Shout out to the entrepreneurs out there. I don't know how to read. Pico, you're going to go to college, buddy.

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14:25 - 14:44 Charlie Kirk

He taught me how to read. His son taught me how to read. I love that. Adam, what's your point? Thank you, Tom. I want to get your advice and also PBD's advice. To young men like that, that are about to grow up, they're 12, they're 13, they're 16, they're 18. You got college kids everywhere. Best advice for them. We all know college has been a scam.

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14:45 - 15:05 Charlie Kirk

What should young men do? I think number one is that if you have drive and you have hustle, it is the irreplaceable ingredient in business and in life. People say, Charlie, how do you do all this? I mean, look, yeah, intelligence, I guess, is part of it, but you have to want it more than the person that you are up against, and that is putting in more hours and dedicating yourself to it.

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15:05 - 15:25 Charlie Kirk

There is no replacement to having this kind of all-encompassing drive of your body and your being. be a voracious learner and read as much as you can and learn as much as you can as early as possible. Find people who are really good at what you do, study them intimately, read everything about them, absorb them, become like them, and ask them good questions.

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15:25 - 15:43 Charlie Kirk

And then also, the more that you understand The forsaking of immediate pleasure is a necessary ingredient to long-term success. Delayed gratification built Western civilization. So that means, as young men, save yourself sexually for marriage. That means don't do drugs. Don't drink alcohol.

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15:43 - 16:00 Charlie Kirk

I know this might not be the most popular message, but if you want to be successful and operate at a high frequency, PBD will attest to this, that the most successful people are not the people hanging out at 1 a.m. at the bars. It's the people that are going to bed at the right time and waking up at 5 or 6 a.m. Turning Point USA was not built at a hookah lounge. It just wasn't.

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16:00 - 16:02 Charlie Kirk

I see where he went there.

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16:02 - 16:08 Charlie Kirk

You went Middle Eastern. I get it, Charlie. Good analogy. Charlie, there's exceptions to every rule. Fair enough.

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16:08 - 16:17 Charlie Kirk

Some people take different approaches. But I will say this, though, that if you want to be excellent, then be excellent at things that deeply matter. And PBD, I'm sure you agree with what I'm saying here.

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16:17 - 16:42 Patrick Bet-David

Oh, listen, you know, for me, You know, the way we start companies is by producing something that doesn't exist. Like, PBD Podcast, we created it because we wanted a show like that, that guys are just sitting around talking and just regular people, right? We wanted a show like that. Manect, we wanted something like that. You have no idea... how glad I am that you started Turning Point USA.

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16:42 - 16:57 Patrick Bet-David

Thank you. Do you know how, let me tell you guys why I'm glad. I got four kids, right? And my 12-year-old is here, Tico. They're going to be coming every year. I mean, it's going to be something where they're going to be coming every year. I love it. You know, with their scheduling permitting, they're going to come out. And you typically do it at a time that we're leaving town.

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16:57 - 17:17 Patrick Bet-David

So he forces me back from vacation with the wife. And then I got to come go back to them right after this. But I'll do it for Charlie because I think this is such an important organization. Thank you. Community matters. Community matters. This may be right now the biggest conservative gang in the world for the youth called Turning Point USA.

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17:18 - 17:41 Patrick Bet-David

And this gang is built on the right values, principles, pride in their country, respect for their God, the different things that this country has given them. There is nothing like knowing that someone like this exists. And I have so much respect for you, the fact that you keep growing it. Your drive and fire, your drive and fire is so important. I have nothing to say. His answer was so flawless.

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17:41 - 17:44 Patrick Bet-David

But community will matter as well. So I'm glad you're doing this. Thank you.

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17:44 - 17:50 Charlie Kirk

Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com. Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.

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17:52 - 17:56 Patrick Bet-David

For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.

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