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The Ben Shapiro Show

FLASHBACK: Destroying Matt Walsh w/ Critical Drinker

02 Jun 2025

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Today, we release my full interview with Critical Drinker. Join me as I seek to destroy Matt Walsh and his insanely stupid take on “Lord of the Rings.”   - - -   Today’s Sponsor:   Home Title Lock - Go to https://hometitlelock.com/shapiro and use promo code SHAPIRO to get a FREE title history report so you can find out if you’re already a victim AND 14 days of protection for FREE! And make sure to check out the Million Dollar TripleLock protection details when you get there! Exclusions apply. For details visit https://hometitlelock.com/warranty Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0.289 - 18.527 Ben Shapiro

Well, folks, since I'm off, I thought that you might enjoy the full interview that I did with Critical Drinker. It's an awesome interview, it's really enjoyable, and it's a nice break. So we've had a literary take on why Lord of the Rings is great and not too long. And now I need a movie expert's take on why Matt Walsh is wrong.

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18.567 - 31.677 Ben Shapiro

Because if we're going to fisk somebody, we're doing it in a comprehensive fashion here. Joining us on the line is the critical drinker to analyze Matt Walsh's hot take that Lord of the Rings is bad because it is too long, among other critiques. Good to see you. How are you doing? I'm good, thank you. How are you?

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32.258 - 42.073 Ben Shapiro

You know, I'm doing well, except I just, I can't deal with the fact that there's a person who works for our company who has such stupid thoughts about Lord of the Rings. So I need to get your take on Matt's take.

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42.941 - 62.191 Critical Drinker

I mean, Matt seems like a nice guy, but man, he has some bad takes on media and I think this is up there with the worst of them. His primary complaint seems to be that the films are too long and therefore they are bad. And I've never held with that complaint about any movie. It should be as long as the plot dictates. And in this case, there is an awful lot of plot to get through.

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62.251 - 70.235 Critical Drinker

So these movies deserve to be as long as they are. In fact, the theatrical cuts aren't even long enough. It's the extended cuts that you really want for the proper experience.

70.475 - 90.566 Ben Shapiro

I mean, I have exactly the same issue with Matt's take. I mean, I think it's actually his second worst movie take after The Dark Knight is super overrated. It's his other horrifyingly bad movie take. But the whole point of the—unlike The Hobbit, which is way too long because the plot does not justify the length of those films. And the book itself makes this clear.

90.626 - 113.875 Ben Shapiro

I mean, the whole series of—so The Hobbit itself is about a 300-page book. The entire series of Lord of the Rings is over 1,000 pages. I mean, it is a very, very long book. And the movie doesn't even cover everything that's in the book, and it's still long, and it moves quickly. I mean, it's one of those movies where you finish Fellowship, and you're surprised that it's over already.

115.174 - 136.186 Critical Drinker

Absolutely, yeah. And I think part of the issue is that it's a fantasy novel, or it's based on a fantasy novel. And fantasy stories stand or fall based on the world that they create. It's got to be a living, breathing, believable world that's got depth to it. And that's the thing that the Lord of the Rings movies do so well. It really gets you invested in this world.

136.226 - 151.114 Critical Drinker

And it helps you to understand that what you're seeing is just one small story in a much grander saga that's been going on for thousands of years. There is so much history there, there is so many different cultures, so much that's going on outside the scope of this narrative.

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