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Ep. 2138 - Tulsi CONFIRMED, Trump Pushes UKRAINE DEAL

Thu, 13 Feb 2025

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President Trump gets his director of national intelligence; the White House pushes forward negotiations over the Russia-Ukraine war; and the entire administration mobilizes for more cuts. Click here to join the member-exclusive portion of my show: https://bit.ly/3WDjgHE Ep.2138 - - - Facts Don’t Care About Your Feelings - - - DailyWire+: Now is the time to join the fight. Watch the hit movies, documentaries, and series reshaping our culture. Go to https://dailywire.com/subscribe today. "Identity Crisis" tells the stories the mainstream media won’t. Stream the full film now, only on DailyWire+: https://bit.ly/3C61qVU Get your Ben Shapiro merch here: https://bit.ly/3TAu2cw - - - Today's Sponsors: PureTalk - Switch to PureTalk and start saving today! Visit https://PureTalk.com/SHAPIRO Blinds - Get up to 45% off for a limited time at https://Blinds.com and tell them The Ben Shapiro Show sent you at checkout. Helix Sleep - Go to https://helixsleep.com/ben for an exclusive offer. Insurify - Go to https://Insurify.com to compare car insurance quotes in real-time and start saving today! - - - Socials: Follow on Twitter: https://bit.ly/3cXUn53 Follow on Instagram: https://bit.ly/3QtuibJ Follow on Facebook: https://bit.ly/3TTirqd Subscribe on YouTube: https://bit.ly/3RPyBiB

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Chapter 1: What are Trump's plans for the Russia-Ukraine conflict?

00:00 - 00:16 Ben Shapiro

Well, President Trump promised that when he entered office, he was going to look at the Russia-Ukraine situation and try to facilitate an actual end to the war. People have been watching this war very closely understand that Russia's original goal, which was to take Kyiv to completely ingest and then digest,

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00:17 - 00:28 Ben Shapiro

all of Ukraine, turn it into a functioning part of the new Russian empire, that that failed. And that failed very early on in the war. But very quickly, the war then transmuted into something else.

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00:28 - 00:41 Ben Shapiro

And that was a Ukrainian attempt, backed by Europe, backed by the Biden administration, to take back portions of the country that had essentially been conquered by Russia in 2014 after the Euromaidan revolution.

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00:42 - 01:01 Ben Shapiro

The attempt to take the Donbass and Crimea back from Russian forces, that was largely doomed to failure because the only way to do that would have been to arm up the Ukrainians to the extent that it might have prompted a larger Russian intervention using perhaps things like tactical nuclear weapons. That is the only way that could have been done.

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00:00 - 00:00 Ben Shapiro

Or to allow the Ukrainians to attack inside Russia in such a way that could have provoked a larger war. Now, it may be that those concerns over a larger war were exaggerated. However, the risk-reward relationship there was out of balance.

00:00 - 00:00 Ben Shapiro

The reality was that the West had very little interest in Ukraine fighting a large scale war to take back Donbass and Crimea, areas that are predominantly by virtually all polling data, even before the fake Russian Democratic takeover. Those areas were very pro-Russian historically.

00:00 - 00:00 Ben Shapiro

And so Russia taking over those areas, while it is devastating to the economy of Ukraine, much of the oil-rich area of Ukraine is in its east in the Donbass region. Crimea, of course, is on the Black Sea. And so much of the warm water ports available to the Ukrainians were via Crimea.

00:00 - 00:00 Ben Shapiro

The reality was that barring some sort of massive war effort, much larger than anything that Ukraine was actually given, those areas were not going to be retaken by Ukraine. And so this conflict had settled into a stalemate for almost three years at this point because the original invasion took place at the end of February 2022.

00:00 - 00:00 Ben Shapiro

And for a very long time, the Biden administration had a conflicting strategy, a mutually exclusive strategy. On the one hand, the Biden administration suggested that they would continue to provide endless aid until, quote unquote, victory was achieved.

Chapter 2: Why is Biden's strategy in Ukraine criticized?

29:46 - 29:54 Ben Shapiro

Lee Zeldin, the EPA administrator, who was a guest on our program just last week, he said, listen, I've been trying to identify waste, fraud and abuse with the help of Doge and we're finding it.

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29:56 - 30:24 Reporter

Shockingly, roughly $20 billion of your tax dollars were parked at an outside financial institution by the Biden EPA. This scheme was the first of its kind in EPA history, and it was purposefully designed to obligate all of the money in a rush job with reduced oversight. EPA needs to reassume responsibility for all of these funds. We will review every penny that has gone out the door.

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30:25 - 30:31 Reporter

I'll be referring this matter to the inspector general's office and we'll work with the justice department as well.

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30:32 - 30:51 Ben Shapiro

Again, is this stuff going to be unpopular with Americans? I'm hard pressed to see precisely how. Mike Lalo, representative from New York, he was talking about USAID, which of course has had its funding dramatically slashed by Musk and by Doge. And he says, you want to talk about a waste of money. And here's an example of a waste of money by USAID.

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00:00 - 00:00 Mike Walz

You look at some of the expenditures by USAID. For instance, I uncovered over $3 million to a rap artist in Gaza producing anti-Israel, anti-Semitic songs. Is that the best use of American taxpayer dollars? I would venture not. And so one of the things that we're going to do in this hearing tomorrow, obviously, is go through what actually is the role of USAID. What should they be focused on?

00:00 - 00:00 Mike Walz

And frankly, what have they been focused on?

00:00 - 00:00 Ben Shapiro

Well, again, he is right about all this. It's not going to be hard to find examples of bad spending. And that is a great way of approaching these issues. From a public relations perspective, it's a great way of approaching these issues because it puts Americans in mind of how much money is being wasted. Now, Democrats are trying to do the opposite.

00:00 - 00:00 Ben Shapiro

They're trying to find examples of things being cut that are just so devastating. That's every day in The New York Times. Somebody who's been deprived of their government paycheck. And oh, how sad. Somebody who's in Thailand who's been deprived of a medical appointment. because USAID is no longer paying for it. Oh, how sad.

00:00 - 00:00 Ben Shapiro

But the truth is, in a time when Americans feel that America has been overstretched, that our economy is basically stretched beyond its capacity, that we are paying too much money for everything, there's not a lot of sympathy for the Democrat position that we need endless largesse and waste of taxpayer money in order so that one government employee can get her retirement salary at a level that she wishes.

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