Cade Cunningham scored 21 points and dished out 11 assists to lead the Detroit Pistons to their 8th straight win by beating the Celtics 117-97 . Dave DuFour and Zena Keita breakdown the Pistons big night, Jalen Brunson’s MVP case, and that Shaedon Sharpe dunk. Then, the director of the Netflix documentary “Court of Gold”, Jake Rogal, joins the show to discuss the unprecedented access and the behind the scenes drama involved in filming.Host: Dave DuFourWith: Zena Keita & Jake RogalExecutive Producer: Andrew SchlechtAudio Producer: Grayson Moody Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Chapter 1: What happened in the Pistons vs. Celtics game?
Wow.
How about that? They are streaking. This is the hottest team in basketball right now. Their eighth straight win. They pick it up over the Boston Celtics. And it wasn't even close, Zena. They got this thing done pretty early. Joe Mazzullo was waving the white flag. early on, I actually thought he pulled it a little bit early.
Like this game, this team can hit a lot of threes in a short amount of time. You think you'd give them a chance, but no, they got out of there. This is the longest winning streak for the Pistons since 2008. They snapped a 12 game losing streak to the Celtics. The Pistons are here, Zena.
They are. And the crazy part is, is that Boston was also here for Detroit. I mean, they shot 43% almost from three. So it wasn't a factor of the Boston not being themselves. It was just a factor of Detroit being better at being themselves. They were slicing up the paint, ended up with 62 points in the paint. They also played tremendous defense.
Like, Asar Thompson, we just talked about him this week. We're going to keep talking about him. Why not? Because he continues to be a pest, a thorn in everyone's side. You know, he did go down with an injury. We're not sure what's going on there. But before he went down, him and his team, All night long in passing lanes, forcing everyone to go the way that they want to go.
They were just making everything sped up for the Boston Celtics. Detroit really showed out tonight and also showed out for the national stage. So anyone that was doubting, oh, is this streak a fluke? Is this? Uh-uh. They showed up tonight.
Well, they showed out in a big game, but let's just be honest here. This game should have probably been flexed to national TV, and it wasn't. Instead, it was Sixers-Knicks, which wound up being a good game, and we'll get to that in a minute. But, you know, the Pistons, this isn't a win that I think – I'm glad that you put it this way because they showed who they are
The first quarter run that they went on to close the first quarter, it was keyed by Malik Beasley. I mean, he missed a shot that he probably took his time on a little bit too long, gets his own rebound, and sticks it. And this guy is having – what was the stat that you gave me the other day? The shooting stats that you put me up?
In that seven-game – in that seven game win streak before last night's win 51 from three yeah so he's just continuing that going on but yes that step back getting your own shot looking down let me take a step back and do it again is not only hard it is confident yeah okay the whole you got a reset clock you're all good to go no no i know what's going in don't worry i got you and his team also knew
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Chapter 2: What makes Cade Cunningham a standout player?
to boost Jalen Brunson's chances of an MVP or boost him up the MVP ladder, make sure he wins the Clutch Player of the Year award. Because this guy is ridiculous. Now, number one, he takes the toughest shots in the league, every single shot that he takes. But especially in crunch time, because you know he's getting the ball. And he was clearing out on these guys at the end of the game.
Zena puts up a personal 9-0 run to seal the deal. But Jalen Brunson, I mean, he's the most clutch player guard for sure in the league right now and respect to Kyrie Irving. I just think when you look at the way that the Knicks have been winning, the way they've been leaning on him, maybe he should be getting some MVP buzz.
I mean, of course, he's not going to win it, but what he's doing down at the end of games is pretty incredible.
I was looking this up because it is ridiculous how much Jalen Brunson, one, finds himself in clutch situations, two, finds himself burdening the close of games in clutch situations. But this season, Jalen Brunson has been in 21 clutch games and he's averaging the most amount of points for anyone that's had more than two games at five and a half points in that court. That is significant.
We're talking about five minutes left in the game. You're scoring over almost six points for your team like that can be the ballgame difference. And so that's the kind of leadership and the type of confidence that, you know, Jalen exudes, essentially. As we like to say, yeah, right.
He's willing to take those big onion shots.
Yeah.
And, you know, we got to mention Paul George put up 25 points in his first post-podcast game. Paul George announces he's no longer going to podcast. And, Zena, look, I went and did the math, not because I'm petty, but because I'm curious. Sure. He posted 17 podcasts this season. Now, that's less than we do in a month. He's not prolific, but that's 17 podcasts.
But that's significant for an NBA player. Absolutely. The 76ers, with Paul George in the lineup, have only won 14 games. I think that... is a pretty good sign. Yeah. Let's the podcast.
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Chapter 3: Why is Jalen Brunson in the MVP conversation?
Before we go to break and come back for the interview with Jake Rogal, we got to talk about Shadon Sharp. Number one, probably had the best game of his career last night in a Blazers win, but the bigger thing, if you haven't seen the dunk Go and find it. Shade on sharp. Absolutely. Just ends. Bub Carrington's. We're not going to say we're not going to get too serious.
Didn't in his career, but he's certainly ruined his night and put him on a poster. My question to you, Zena, is that the dunk of the year?
It's got to be top two. And the only one that I have above that is Gary Payton II on Isaiah Hartenstein.
Everybody's going to call you a homer.
But I will say this. I will say this about the Shadon Sharp dunk. The way that man cocked it back, it was ancestral. He dug into his lineage to get the vengeance and power to come back at the basket. It was surreal. And to do that off of a turnover.
yeah thank you great for that made a great place thank you just jumped the passing lane takes off and and bub you know what respect man way to get up there you play trying to block that that's right you try to block that that's how we do it guys stick around after the break s and xena this this interview honestly is fantastic and makes me want to go and watch the documentary all over again so you guys enjoy that thank you guys for listening
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Last summer, we were privy to one of the best, if not the best basketball tournament of all time with the 2024 Olympics. And a couple of weeks ago, we got to relive it with Court of Gold on Netflix, which was absolutely incredible. And we're joined by the creator, Jake Rogal. And look like watching this court dock back. As a Canadian, obviously heartbroken through the whole thing.
But on top of that, I think the thing that shocked me was the access, the level of access that you guys got throughout this whole tournament for all four teams, which was the U.S., Canada, Serbia and France. That felt unprecedented to me with the way that the league works and a lot of these players work. How did you guys get that level of access?
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Chapter 4: What was the significance of Shaedon Sharpe's dunk?
I feel like you kind of alluded to the conversations that you had in order to get people comfortable with how much vulnerability was displayed on this doc. You know, it's one thing to have access, but to have access to some of the emotional capacity that you captured. When you started this project and you anticipated getting some interviews, did you anticipate Kevin Durant opening up like that?
Bam out of bio opening up in that way, just being able to have these vulnerable moments captured?
No, I don't think you can anticipate that. I think when you – I've never been to an Olympics before. This is my first experience there. So right when the tournament starts, not just the basketball tournament, just the Olympics overall, there is a ton of emotion right away. I mean the opening ceremony and they're on the river and Celine Dion is there and the Eiffel Tower is illuminated.
You immediately are emotional. So you start from a place of emotion and then I think when you're in it, you're in this sort of like bubble of emotion where nothing else in the world is going on. So it's a ripe environment for some of that emotion to come out. And I think the job is to make people know that you can be comfortable being emotional in that environment.
And if you feel emotional, it's not unique. Everyone in there feels emotional. And showing that is cool. And it's relatable. And I think when people open up like that, as you saw the reaction to Kevin crying. People like that. And it's because we all feel that way a lot of times. And so when you show it, it makes you feel human and it humanizes the person showing it.
So I think just making people comfortable in what's already an emotional environment is kind of the trick there.
Yeah, I think it also helped audience and the fans to sort of see Kevin in a different light and respect him in a different way. I think I can speak for a lot of people where it's like you really change your perspective on a lot of these players like Xena mentioned. And I think the fact that One of the other unique things about this doc was it took four different perspectives, right?
The US was obviously the main perspective, but you had Canada, you had Serbia, you had France. How did you guys nail down those three other teams in terms of picking which teams could kind of go far in this tournament? And were you guys silently rooting for some of these teams to make it further to make this thing work? Yeah.
So I'll get to the first part with the teams. So, again, this is Connor and a lot of conversations happening without me there. But Team USA was the obvious choice because win or lose, they had to be in it. They're kind of the story, the great white shark. France was another pretty obvious choice because they're the home country. Silver medal in the Tokyo Olympics.
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Chapter 5: How did the documentary 'Court of Gold' come about?
Yeah.
I have a thought, but I want to know.
I want to hear your thought first and I can tell you whether it's true or not. What's your bet?
I'm thinking Serbia. I'm thinking they were a good time, particularly because as the U.S. and France were battling for their lives, Serbia has been drunk for 24 hours. So I want to know if it was Serbia that was the most fun.
So Max Gershberg, who was the lead producer on the show, his job in Paris was to get the Serbians to warm up to him and that crew. And it was the hardest assignment of the whole project because the Serbians were the most serious. Coach Pesic ran a very, very tight ship. And I think that Max had to do a lot of work to convince those guys that this was worth their time.
So the Serbians were actually one of the harder ones to crack because the tone that Coach Pesic said was nothing matters besides basketball. And I don't care if you're in Paris and your family's here. You need to go run on the track more instead of go have dinner with them. So they were fun once they won a medal. They were very fun. But that was the last day.
We were one of the last days we were shooting. I think that the Canadians were the loosest team. Like they had cool music playing in practice. They were very like, they had a swagger about them that just like kind of jumped out.
Yeah.
They were cool, man. I think Shay set the tone of just like Jordy is a really cool dude. He's like very human. The French were also really fun to be around. Boris Diaw we got really close with. He was awesome. But they had a lot of pressure on them. And any time they left where they were, the media was insane around them. So I think it was harder for them to kind of let loose.
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Chapter 6: What emotional moments were captured in 'Court of Gold'?
Let me take some of your cringe away, because I think it speaks volumes of who both of them are, where President Obama. is creating an environment where guys are comfortable enough being themselves. He could easily come in and be like, I'm the president. How dare you talk to me that way? But he didn't. He was cool.
He was actually kind of like getting more out of Ant by bringing LeBron in and be like, you hear what he said? So he's creating a comfortable environment for Ant, which shows how cool President Obama is. Then Ant is being completely himself because that's what makes Ant great. And he's comfortable being himself no matter who he's in front of, whether it's us or the president.
And so it shows how cool Ant is. So while I understand it's like,
shocking and kind of uncomfortable it's they're both so cool in that moment for creating the moment and doing it and what knowing we were there it's it's a cool i feel like it was a cool moment i mean it is absolutely dope that edwards is as confident as he is as young as he is and a person like president obama doesn't like phase him i think that just like particularly in the black community we're like respect your elders but that's that's aunt's way of being respectful
There you go. There you go. Speaking of respecting your elders, I actually did a show with Chris Mullen from the Dream Team last night. And I told him that I was speaking to you this morning, Jake. And I was like, any thoughts on like Doc or any questions you want me to ask? And he was like, you know,
Thinking about The Last Dance, which you also produced, and thinking about this documentary, how much did you... In terms of making a decision of content that you wanted to incorporate, how much of the Dream Team story did you consider... for this story, to be able to tell the setup for Court of Gold?
Because, of course, Last Dance was all in retrospect, as opposed to in-person live content that you could utilize. Outside of interviews, that was all you had for Last Dance. Versus this, you had so much content in the moment. But there is this historical context that you had to set up.
So how did you balance that in terms of being able to tell that story and setting up the importance of this particular Olympics?
Yeah, it's really hard. Episode one was the last episode we finished because you're just constantly making sure the setup is accurate to what you're showing. I think what you want to do is – for basketball fans, the dream team has been covered at Nazim. Like everyone knows the dream team in every detail and every game and the Monaco practice and all that. So the basketball fans –
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