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The Action Catalyst

Cut For Time: What Is Love?

Wed, 19 Feb 2025

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In this cut-for-time clip from Episode 480 of The Action Catalyst, advocate and author Matthew Lesko shares a hot take on what love is, and how it's getting more important to him with age.Hear the rest of Matthew's interview in Episode 480 of The Action Catalyst.

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Chapter 1: Why might loved ones be considered our worst enemies?

0.269 - 20.637 Matthew Lesko

I feel our loved ones are our worst enemy because they don't want to see us fail. And so they'll tell you what's wrong with what you want to do because you're going to fail. And yes, they're true. That's right. But to do anything, you have to learn how to fail. You have to go out and fail. To learn how it really works for you. So I think the average person has no idea what love is.

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Chapter 2: How can we redefine love as we age?

21.078 - 43.592 Matthew Lesko

I don't either. But I'm learning more as I get older and trying to work on that more. Like helping somebody do something they want to do. So I think love is helping people you love just do whatever you want. They want your opinion, fine. But no, you help them do what they want to do, what they think they want to do. They don't know. It's a guess.

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Chapter 3: What does it mean to help someone you love?

43.772 - 68.505 Matthew Lesko

And they're struggling every day with that in their head. So if they decide to do something, man, I think your obligation is to help them. And also as they get older, I feel... That's one thing I could try to get better at 81. I'm not going to get stronger. I'm not going to get smarter. I'm not going to get faster at anything. All that stuff is going downhill. But I can love harder. Why not?

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Chapter 4: How can love improve with age?

69.466 - 90.455 Matthew Lesko

That's one thing you could grow in your life forever is just keep learning how to love harder. Why not? But I really think we can all love harder. And that's a lot of it. It's a word I couldn't even say a few years ago, to tell you the truth. I mean, growing up as a male in this country, at least in my family, you couldn't say you love anybody unless you married them.

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92.356 - 117.337 Matthew Lesko

And that was sort of like the deal. I never heard it in my house. There were all nice people. That wasn't an issue. It was just a word. We did it. And I just came to feel that that must be what's missing, and even community and stuff like that, to know people who your neighbors are and how to make everybody more human. And it's very selfish because I feel every time I even say the word,

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118.098 - 140.624 Matthew Lesko

my heart opens up more. And I think to get through your life, we all have to get through. I mean, you're going to get beat up no matter who you are. I mean, there's no immunity from getting beat up in life. That's part of being human. But to get comfort doing all that, I think is trying to open your heart as much as possible. I'm sorry, what was the question again?

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