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When Batteries Get A Face Lift, So Do Renewables

28 Feb 2025

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Batteries are everywhere. They're in our phones, our remote controls, smart-watches, electric cars and so much more. They could also be the solution to a problem that renewable energy companies have faced for years: How to store the mass amounts of energy they produce for later use. Some companies are using batteries to make renewable energy accessible 24/7. Today, we dig into how the technology is rapidly progressing with Cooper Katz McKim, a producer from fellow NPR podcast The Indicator from Planet Money. Listen to The Indicator's three-part battery series. Have questions about the future of technology? Contact us at [email protected]. Listen to every episode of Short Wave sponsor-free and support our work at NPR by signing up for Short Wave+ at plus.npr.org/shortwave.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

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21.942 - 31.623 Emily Kwong

Hey, Shortwavers, Emily Kwong here with Cooper Akatsumakim, a producer at The Indicator from Planet Money, as he is... Wait, what are you doing, Cooper?

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32.263 - 46.193 Cooper Katz McKim

Oh, Emily, hi. That's just me turning on and off the lights at a facility in California where there is battery power energizing the grid. Like literally holding energy and then releasing it onto the grid that powers all our homes.

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46.693 - 53.258 Emily Kwong

Interesting, but in California, I'd expect energy to be coming from places like natural gas or hydro. You're telling me batteries are in the mix?

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53.68 - 59.824 Cooper Katz McKim

Grid-scale battery storage is surprisingly oftentimes the second largest source of energy on a given day in California.

60.044 - 62.265 Emily Kwong

I didn't know that battery storage could be used at that level.

62.806 - 71.191 Cooper Katz McKim

I mean, just a few years ago, it was unimaginable. Grid-scale storage like this, it was basically a dream technology for renewable companies, a what-if scenario.

71.531 - 79.336 Emily Kwong

Right. And those companies historically have been using technologies at the whim of the weather. If the sun doesn't shine, solar energy isn't so great.

79.376 - 82.758 Cooper Katz McKim

If the wind doesn't blow, exactly. And battery storage, it changes that equation.

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