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Reviving The Woolly Mammoth ... With Mice

Tue, 04 Mar 2025

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You've heard of the woolly mammoth. But have you heard of woolly mice? These critters were genetically modified by the Dallas-based biotech company Colossal Biosciences to have the same "woolly" and fat appearance as the ancient mammoths. The mice are a key step in the longer journey to de-extinct the woolly mammoth. NPR's Rob Stein takes us to the lab where it all happened.Interested in more biotech stories? Let us know by dropping a line to [email protected] to every episode of Short Wave sponsor-free and support our work at NPR by signing up for Short Wave+ at plus.npr.org/shortwave.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

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Chapter 1: What are woolly mice and why are they significant?

187.935 - 189.845 Regina Barber

And how do they go about doing that?

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190.979 - 203.665 Rob Stein

So they started by comparing genomes from samples of ancient DNA recovered from mammoth remains with genomes from living African and Asian elephants, the mammoths' closest living relatives.

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203.986 - 215.331 Beth Shapiro

We ask, where are all of the mammoths the same as each other, but different from an elephant? So this is narrowing down the focus on the genes that make mammoths mammoths instead of elephants.

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215.851 - 218.953 Rob Stein

That's Beth Shapiro, the chief science officer at Colossal.

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219.284 - 226.412 Regina Barber

So in practice, I imagine they're like hunting for genes responsible for like iconic, you know, mammoth traits like their distinctive coat.

226.692 - 227.173 Rob Stein

Yeah.

227.353 - 228.535 Regina Barber

And maybe their fat?

228.715 - 240.725 Rob Stein

Exactly. And they narrowed down that list of candidate genes to 10 genes for the coat and the fat. Okay. But they wanted to make sure that the genes they had identified were really responsible for the traits that they wanted.

240.945 - 250.411 Rob Stein

They couldn't just, you know, try to engineer Asian elephants with genes they thought might control those traits because it would be unethical given the fact that Asian elephants are endangered.

Chapter 3: What is the connection between woolly mice and woolly mammoths?

529.562 - 540.907 Rob Stein

Well, Beth and her colleagues, they defend their project. They say reintroducing mammoth-like creatures could actually repair the environment by helping restore the ecosystems where the mammoth once lived.

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541.367 - 552.653 Beth Shapiro

Our intention is to recreate these extinct species that played really important roles in ecosystems that are missing because they've become extinct. And that is our goal with our de-extinction projects.

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552.873 - 561.742 Rob Stein

And Ben Lamb, Colossal's founder and CEO, says the tools the company's creating in this project could help prevent more species from going extinct.

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562.183 - 575.997 Ben Lamb

Current conservation models work. They just don't work at the speed of which we are changing the planet and eradicating species. So we need new tools and technologies so that we can engineer life in a better way that's more adaptable to be coexistent with humans.

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576.837 - 582.761 Rob Stein

The researchers say they hope to produce their first mammoth-like Asian elephant embryos next year.

583.221 - 583.661 Regina Barber

What?

583.741 - 583.941 Rob Stein

Yeah.

584.122 - 584.822 Regina Barber

That's so soon.

585.062 - 596.429 Rob Stein

Yeah. And then they'll implant them into female Asian elephants, which will hopefully give birth to the first mammoth-like Asian elephant calves by 2028. Wow. I'm going to mark my calendar.

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