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301 | Tina Eliassi-Rad on Al, Networks, and Epistemic Instability
Mon, 13 Jan 2025
Big data is ruling, or at least deeply infiltrating, all of modern existence. Unprecedented capacity for collecting and analyzing large amounts of data have given us a new generation of artificial intelligence models, but also everything from medical procedures to recommendation systems that guide our purchases and romantic lives. I talk with computer scientist Tina Elassi-Rad about how we can sift through all this data, make sure it is deployed in ways that align with our values, and how to deal with the political and social dangers associated with systems that are not always guided by the truth.Support Mindscape on Patreon.Blog post with transcript: https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/podcast/2025/01/13/301-tina-eliassi-rad-on-al-networks-and-epistemic-instability/Tina Eliassi-Rad received her Ph.D. in computer science from the University of Wisconsin-Madison. She is currently Joseph E. Aoun Chair of Computer Sciences and Core Faculty of the Network Science Institute at Northeastern University, External Faculty at the Santa Fe Institute, and External Faculty at the Vermont Complex Systems Center. She is a fellow of the Network Science Society, recipient of the Lagrange Prize, and was named one of the 100 Brilliant Women in AI Ethics.Web siteNortheastern web pageGoogle Scholar publicationsWikipediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Mindscape Podcast. I'm your host, Sean Carroll. There's a kind of history myth that sometimes gets promulgated in, I don't know, elementary schools, maybe, or just folk tales we tell each other. According to which, when the first European explorers landed in the New World...
The indigenous folks saw them and thought, oh, my goodness, these are gods coming to visit us and we need to worship them and they're too powerful to deal with. Turns out nothing like that is actually true. This is a story that the Europeans made up after the fact to make themselves look good, justify some of the things that happened.
Nowadays, we are being faced with a new set of visitors from another world, namely artificial intelligences, whether it's large language models or some other kind of constructed program that in many ways can act human, but has a different set of capacities and we're learning to deal with them.
And unlike the myth of the European explorers landing in the Western Hemisphere, today there are a bunch of people who quite literally who are very willing to say that these are gods coming to deal with us. I know there's also plenty of skepticism out there, but there are people who think not only that AIs are gods,
going to be in our human-level intelligence and agency, but well beyond that, superhuman, godlike creatures that we're going to have to deal with. I am myself not of that opinion. I do not think that that is actually what is going on. But just like the landing explorers, AIs do have different capacities than we do. They're trained, of course. They're designed.
They're made to, in many ways, act very human. But they're really not. They're thinking in a different way. They're capable of some things much better than we are and other things not nearly as good as we are. So how do we think about this?
This world in which interacting with AIs, interacting with computerized systems more broadly is going to be a crucially important part of how we live our lives. Today's guest is Tina Eliassi-Rod, who is a computer scientist whose work spans the space. And this is why I really like it. From very technical stuff, just, you know, how do you better detect things?
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