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Sea of Lies from Uncover

S33 E1: The Olson Tapes | Calls From a Killer

Tue, 20 May 2025

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Arlene Bynon answers a collect call. On the other end of the line is Clifford Olson: a man convicted of killing eleven children and teenagers in the 1980s. The oldest of them, eighteen. The youngest of them, nine. During years of secret phone calls from his prison cell, he tells this young journalist things he hasn’t told anyone else. Decades later, Nathaniel Frum dusts off a box of old tapes inherited from his late grandfather. When he hears Arlene’s voice, he knows he needs to find her. And they both know that this forgotten story needs to be told.Binge all 7 episodes of this season right now, early and ad-free, by subscribing here.

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0.229 - 20.019 Matt Galloway

What is attention capitalism doing to our minds? What is all this tariff chaos doing to our money? How can we get better at growing older? We look at these kinds of big questions here on The Current, our award-winning podcast that brings you stories and conversations to expand your worldview. My name is Matt Galloway, and like you, I'm trying to wrap my head around what's going on right now.

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20.579 - 30.348 Matt Galloway

We look for solutions to wicked problems. We listen to each other, and we try to find delight in the everyday. You can find The Current wherever you get your podcasts, including on YouTube.

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32.05 - 61.966 Nathaniel Frum

This is a CBC Podcast. The following episode contains strong language and descriptions of violence. Please take care when listening. Whenever I stayed at my grandparents' house as a kid, there was a rule. Always pick up the phone. Because you never knew who could be calling for my grandpa Pete. A Soviet spy, a cabinet minister, a serial killer.

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64.408 - 87.495 Nathaniel Frum

Growing up, I'd learn what my grandpa did for a living through the stories he'd share at the holidays or summers at the lake. It wasn't that he was bragging. Pete was actually really humble. He just had stories no one else could tell. And he never told the same one twice, because he never needed to. There was the time he stood just feet away from Lee Harvey Oswald as Jack Ruby pulled the trigger.

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88.176 - 111.506 Nathaniel Frum

The time a bullet went through his sleeve in Algiers as fighting between the Algerians and French raged. The time he met the Beatles in Hong Kong. He didn't even think to mention that one until a couple years before he died. Long story short, he thought they all needed haircuts. My grandpa, Peter Worthington, was a newspaper man. And for some time, he was one of the newspaper men in Toronto.

112.527 - 139.446 Nathaniel Frum

He was a roving foreign correspondent, chasing every conflict through the 50s and 60s, until helping found his own paper, the Toronto Sun, a paper that still exists today. Pete continued to write until his death in 2013. The last thing he wrote was his own obituary. My grandpa left behind a bird's nest of papers, photos, and tapes, fragments of his extraordinary career.

140.407 - 168.645 Nathaniel Frum

It was all packed and sent away to Canada's National Archives by my grandmother, Yvonne. But six years after Pete's death, I brought those boxes back. By this time, I was in my mid-20s, trying to make it as a screenwriter in L.A., trying to find my next story. What if it lived in the boxes that Pete had left behind? I popped one of his hundreds of cassettes into a player. Tape 12, 1991. Okay.

168.685 - 169.446 Nathaniel Frum

Hello, Peter? Yeah.

175.279 - 183.103 Clifford Olson

I called last night there, and I can appreciate not calling you at home, but I thought sometimes for an emergency or anything, that comes up, Peter, you know?

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