Redefiners
The Only Certainty Is Change: Nasdaq CEO Adena Friedman on AI, Innovation & Market Evolution
Wed, 09 Apr 2025
When it comes to global financial markets, the only certainty is the likelihood of uncertainty and change. The world is in a period of transformation on multiple levels fueled by AI and technology innovation, shifting economic policies, and infrastructure modernization. At the foundation of all of this transformation is the unrelenting need for long-term capital. In today’s special in-studio episode, Clarke Murphy sits down with a leader who’s not only deftly navigating her organization through change in her role as Nasdaq CEO, but she’s doing it all at the speed of global capital. Adena Friedman talks about Nasdaq’s evolution from the world’s first electronic stock exchange to its current role as a global technology company serving the broader financial system and capital markets. She digs into her career journey from intern to CEO at Nasdaq, how Nasdaq stays on the leading edge of technology and innovation, and how to compete for and keep top tech talent. And she discusses the $80 trillion investment opportunity to bring every society in every economy forward to face the realities of the world that we're living in today. We'll also hear from Tristan Jervis, a leadership advisor specializing in AI transformation, who will discuss the four critical steps CEOs can take to build AI-powered organizations. Four things you’ll learn from this episode: Adena’s personal story, career and leadership journey, and advice on how to navigate change and uncertainty What to do to take advantage of impending changes to the global economy How to nurture and grow a culture of innovation to stay ahead of disruption How Nasdaq competes for and keeps top tech and AI talent If you enjoyed this episode, you might also like these Redefiners episodes: Talking Tough Decisions with TCW President and CEO Katie Koch Leadership Lounge: How to Future-Proof Your Leadership Elections, Geopolitics, and Global Business: A Conversation with Former President of the European Commission José Manuel Barroso Leadership Lounge: Unleashing AI’s potential: Are you ready to lead the charge? Private Investment Guru David Rubenstein Goes Public on How to Be a Successful Leader & Investor Leadership Lounge: What do top-performing teams have in common?
Chapter 1: What is the main topic of this episode?
Call them changemakers. Call them rule breakers. We call them Redefiners. Hello, everybody. Welcome back to Redefiners. It's Clark Murphy with Russell Reynolds Associates. We've got a special jolt of caffeine today because we're recording live off the floor of the NASDAQ exchange. If you want some energy, you've got to come here. It's amazing.
For those who aren't familiar, the exchange was the first electronic exchange founded in 1971. and is home to the listings of some of those high-energy companies like NVIDIA, Microsoft, Amazon, Google, Meta. So you've got the picture. But of course, the exchange is just one of their businesses, and we're going to talk about that a little bit later on.
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So a lot of the work we do at Russell Reynolds Associates with CEOs and board members is talking about the themes today of innovation, pace of change, culture, talent, making sure you're relevant, but keeping the roots of a great culture. We're joined today with a CEO who is doing that at pace and scale as we speak. And we're joined today by Adina Friedman, who's the chair and CEO of NASDAQ.
earlier served as president, also COO. She left briefly at one point to be the chief financial officer of the Carlyle Group, in fact, took them public as the CFO. And so she's seen the listings from both sides of the scoreboard. Earlier, she was at NASDAQ running their data products business. And she's done a variety of things, starting by joining the company as an intern out of business school.
Adina, welcome to Redefiners. Thanks for joining us.
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Chapter 2: What is Adena Friedman’s career journey at Nasdaq?
It's great to be here, Clark. Thank you so much. This is fantastic.
Well, it's good to be in the same place at the same time. Agreed. I have to laugh. You and I may be some of the rare people that have spent 30 years on and off with the same company. Agreed. Agreed. So maybe we start there. Having started as an intern to become CEO, you started as an intern, became CEO.
Tell us about the journey and maybe some of the milestones that help you be the leader you are today.
It is a fun story because I got so lucky. I mean, how often do you get to go and join a company right out of college or right out of university and then suddenly end up spending your whole career here? By the way, my father did that. So he also joined T. R. Price out of business school and spent his entire career there. So I did see that. I think that probably did influence me a little bit.
There you go. But I started as an intern because I wanted to be in the financial industry, but I wanted to be a product manager. When I was in business school, I loved product management, but I also liked finance. And I had this rare opportunity to become an intern at NASDAQ to write product plans for their trading products.
And Nasdaq was at an interesting time because they were owned by the National Association of Securities Dealers. So they were owned by a membership not-for-profit organization, but they were a for-profit business inside that shop.
So they were trying to figure out, how do we build commercial muscles around these trading products or data products or things that they owned and start to think differently about being a product company? And so I got to come in and they said, oh, you went to business school. You know how to write product plans. And I was like, oh, sure. I had no idea. Yeah. But I got in there.
I learned it quickly. I helped them write some product plans. And then they hired me on permanently. And ultimately, I became a product manager in the trading division. And then they reorganized NASDAQ into three divisions. They peeled the data business out of the trading business. And they took a big risk on me when I was about 30, 31 years old. And they made me the head of the data business.
on the back of being that product manager. That was one of the great, you know, one defining moment. I think that then we had a new CEO come in in 2003 and he was very different, came from the technology industry. He was not coming from the banking side.
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Chapter 3: How has Nasdaq evolved as a technology company?
There actually was a defining moment for me, and it's not going to be... I had a couple of key moments in my career, like becoming the head of data, becoming the head of strategy, and then joining Carlyle. I would say those three things, and of course, becoming CEO. But there was a project that I want to talk about, because there was this project that...
allowed me to exercise a lot of muscles that allowed me to develop myself as a leader, accomplish something really important for the company, and build trust with the CEO, who was Bob Breyfeld. So he was new as CEO. And so this was in 2003. He'd come into NASDAQ. He was making a lot of change inside the company.
And then we had kind of this external force that came in and said, that really made it so that we had to rethink how we closed the market every day. So up until this moment, we closed the market every day by just taking the last trade that was reported to the market. And then we would just shut the system and say, we're done.
And the problem with that is it really was a very gameable way to close the market. And as indexers were coming up and becoming more prevalent and mutual funds at that time were so big, they were using that closing price as the price that determined the value of their fund or the value of the indexer.
And that was making it so that trillions and trillions of dollars were dependent on that price to be the right price, to really be a good reflection of the market. And the result of that was we just weren't keeping up with the times. And so we said, OK, it's time for us to build an auction to close the market. But we'd never built an auction before at NASDAQ, ever.
And today, of course, auctions are a huge part of markets. But at the time, we had none. And I raised my hand and I said, Bob, I really want to work on this project. I want to lead this project. And I was the head of data, not the head of trading. But I really wanted it. Some skepticism in that moment, perhaps?
Well, it was more like, well, and look, this is actually a huge transparency opportunity. We're going to build data. It's going to be a critical component of this. Please, can I take this project? And he gave it to me. And there was a big time commitment, meaning we had to get it done within a certain period of time.
Because every year in June, there's the largest closing event of the year, which is the Russell rebalance. And at that time, it was a huge event. And a couple of years earlier, we'd actually had a problem on that day. And so we knew that we had to execute this thing flawlessly and we needed to get it live and we needed to get it proven before that day occurred.
So it was an opportunity for me to build a team take an idea and turn it into reality to figure out how to code it, to engage the industry, the buy side and the sell side, to figure out how does this work for everyone, to have the best talent inside of Nasdaq come with me to help define what this looks like. I had incredible people on the team working with us.
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Chapter 4: What are the key themes driving Nasdaq’s strategy?
I often say to people, take the most difficult project. No one remembers the easy ones.
Exactly. That's exactly right. And I did raise my hand and ask for it, too. I didn't wait for him to choose. I think that was important, too.
Another thing that people may not realize is NASDAQ is a serial acquirer of business. You do a lot of deals here. You've done a lot of deals. Doing a deal at Carlisle, doing a deal at NASDAQ, very different. How might you juxtapose doing deals in different environments?
Well, it's interesting because they have different purposes. So in NASDAQ, if we're choosing to bring a company to become part of NASDAQ, it's a forever decision. And so it's a very different framework to use to determine whether that company is the right fit for you. Because number one, you start with the strategy. First, you should have a strategy as a company.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then you start to say, okay, to me, M&A should be a means to an end, not an end itself, right? So you're saying, here's my strategy. And you take your shareholders on the journey to say, here's how we want to define our future.
Here's how this company fits into that future, how they can add to your capabilities, add to your distribution, get to put you into a new market, whatever it is that's really defined within the strategy. Then you say, okay, well, how financially does this fit in to the picture of NASDAQ as well? You know, does one plus one equal more than two?
And that's super important, but it's both in the near term and the long term. Because in the near term, the shareholders are expecting a return that's within the framework of their own return environment. But then also you have to know 10 years, 20 years later that you've got this business that's really defining the future of the company.
So that's the way we view M&A within being an operating company buying another operating company. Inside of a private equity firm, they have a very defined process. And for them, as soon as they're thinking about buying a company, it's not a strategic decision necessarily. It's a financial decision. They also have a very defined exit timeframe.
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Chapter 5: How does Nasdaq approach mergers and acquisitions?
climate change and an energy transition and unleashing the power of technology and AI, the redefining what will AI really mean for every business, for every part of society. But there's an enormous amount of opportunity to unleash if we can find the capital to deploy. And that's, of course, what capital markets do.
And it's also what the broader banking system and VC investors, investment, that's what we're here to do is to really put capital to work in these defining moments to catalyze growth or to catalyze change.
Chapter 6: What is the significance of being a public company?
And at the same time, we have to recognize the fact that we have another moment, which is we have been putting more and more obligations on those companies and banks and brokers that are the ones that are going to be the drivers of that change. And we have to rethink that.
So we do think that this notion of smart regulation, reframing what regulations there to achieve, outcome oriented, getting rid of regulations that are no longer relevant, Changing the mindset of the regulators from tick-the-box, input-driven regulation to output, what am I actually trying to drive towards regulation, will unleash an enormous amount of capital into the system.
So we actually did this study with the banks. And we said, even if you could just take down the risk and compliance function of the global banks by 10% to 20%, it actually allows them to retain 20%. 25 to 50 billion more in earnings.
And if they then leverage that and go out to and drive that into the market, that's 500 billion to a trillion dollars of incremental capital that they could bring into the markets just by making them more efficient. So that's the use of technology, changing the regulatory framework, and then unleashing that technology to allow us to deploy more capital into the market.
So it's a pretty exciting moment, but it's a moment where we have to grasp it and we have to take hold of it.
Okay. So let's talk about grasping it. Those are complex stakeholders. You push too hard, you got a real problem. You don't push hard enough, a trillion dollars doesn't get to the markets. As a leader, how do you think about multiple stakeholders and when to push, when to listen? Others wanna learn how you think about multi-stakeholder engagement.
Well, I think first you have to listen.
Yeah, I agree.
So what are their problems? What are their needs? How are they navigating those problems? But also what new capabilities can be brought to change the trajectory of how they manage those problems? The second is, and then you listen to your employees and you listen to regulators and you listen to legislators.
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Chapter 7: What are the challenges and opportunities in the current economic landscape?
So we want people who really believe in the mission of what Nasdaq does in terms of economic progress, being the trusted fabric to the world's financial system is our vision. And we want everyone to believe in that and be a part of that. And we live it every day. So they do feel that they're part of something important. The second thing is we have global talent.
So we are not wedded to a country or a city. We have talent across the US, across all of the world. We have talent in I think more than 50 countries, but we have defined centers of excellence around the world that allow us to draw talent from around the world. And that I think is obviously hugely beneficial. And we know how to do that at scale.
And then I think that also we really believe in that culture of bringing diverse points of view and diverse backgrounds together in a performance culture and allowing people to stand up and come up with ideas and be a challenger, but also in a respectful way, let's make sure we channel that into decisions and we go forward as a team. So that's kind of the culture we also bring here too.
I love the missionaries versus mercenaries. But you yourself, you've always been an athlete. I think you're a taekwondo black belt, right? You've also been famous for sitting on the third baseline of your family members playing baseball games quite successfully. How do you keep the competitive edge culturally? You are competitive. I've seen it.
But we're mission driven because people are trying to find the balance and it's hard.
Yeah. So I think everything starts with the client. I have always said that if you only look to the left and the right and you look at what your competitors are doing, you're not actually reaching your full potential. Because they may not be very good at what they do.
Right, right, right, right.
Let's hope so if you're going to win. Right. So the first thing you have to start with is the client. If you really understand the client deeply and you understand what their challenges are, what their needs are, they may not know exactly... what they need or how they need to achieve it, but they do know what their challenges are and what their needs are.
And if you listen to those deeply, and then you are there to help them meet those needs, exceed those needs, make sure that you're driving those capabilities into the future with them, a lot of the rest of it kind of takes care of itself. Now, we are hyper competitive though. And we want to win every single deal, every listing, every new client.
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