Dave Smith brings you the latest in politics! On this episode of Part Of The Problem, Dave is joined by co-host Robbie "The Fire" Bernstein to reflect on Dave's debate with Douglas Murray on the Joe Rogan Experience, and more.Original air date: 4.10.25Support Our Sponsors:Ridge - https://ridge.com/potp10My Patriot Supply - https://www.preparewithsmith.com/Part Of The Problem is available for early pre-release at https://partoftheproblem.com as well as an exclusive episode on Thursday!PORCH TOUR DATES HERE:https://www.eventbrite.com/cc/porch-tour-2025-4222673Find Run Your Mouth here:YouTube - http://youtube.com/@RunYourMouthiTunes - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/run-your-mouth-podcast/id1211469807Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/4ka50RAKTxFTxbtyPP8AHmFollow the show on social media:X:http://x.com/ComicDaveSmithhttp://x.com/RobbieTheFireInstagram:http://instagram.com/theproblemdavesmithhttp://instagram.com/robbiethefire#libertarianSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Chapter 1: What is the focus of this special episode of Part of the Problem?
What's up? What's up, everybody? Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem. Kind of a special episode, a late night episode. Of course, I'm Dave Smith and he is Robbie the Fire Bernstein. How are you, sir?
Chapter 2: Where can I find dates and info about the Porch Tour?
I'm doing well. I'm so close to being done with having to take Adderall and put together these Porsche tour dates. And I'm very excited to be done with it. Mobile, Alabama and Pensacola, Florida is the start of the tour. And you can find that at PorscheTour.com.
Nice. Awesome. Make sure you guys, if you're in the area where porch tour comes, go out and see one of the shows. This has become legendary at this point. People tell me, I hear all the time I'm on the road. Oh, I went to the porch tour. It was crazy. You brought me in the middle of the woods and did a ceremony of some sorts. And then it's not the best show of my life.
And then I passed out and woke up, you know, blood coming out of my ass.
I don't know how many more, I don't know how many more purchase I've left in me. I don't, I don't know that I got another year of taking Adderall and coordinating dates.
Chapter 3: How did Dave Smith prepare for the Joe Rogan debate?
This might be the last one. Anyway, so I just got home today, spent the day with the family. It was very nice. I've been on a crazy stretch of just traveling nonstop. And of course, the last thing that I did was, well, I was out, you know, we were in Boston. Then I went down to Austin, did a solo episode with Rogan. Then I went and did the Nashville Comedy Festival, hung out with Kid Rock.
Did he get a word in? Great guy. Great guy. He talked about tariffs? Dude, he couldn't have been cooler. Awesome guy. And no, we didn't talk tariffs. I was just trying to angle for, you know, you try, you don't, you talk to Kid Rock to get a meeting with Donald Trump.
What makes you even think you should have an opinion?
Well, okay. So then let's get to it. Then the thing that I did, well, it just came out today. And we did it yesterday. So I figured we'd do an episode kind of giving my thoughts on this debate. I'm exhausted. I've been doing a lot of traveling and I've been getting not so much sleep. So this might be a little bit of a shorter one. But I did think maybe we would just talk about it a little bit.
Chapter 4: What are Dave Smith's thoughts on his debate with Douglas Murray?
I could give my thoughts, my recap of it. And I know you watched it, so you could give me your thoughts on it as well. It was...
Am I allowed to give my opinion? I mean, I watched it, and I have thoughts, but where do I get credentialed?
Well, were you there? But were you there, though?
I've never stepped foot in the Rogan studio, so I guess I haven't... Yeah, unless your feet touch the ground, you don't really absorb the information.
Yeah, you shouldn't really talk about it. And I'm not arguing that you shouldn't talk about it. That's not my point. My point isn't that you shouldn't talk about it, but you shouldn't talk about it, and probably there should be experts who talk about it, and that's not... Okay, anyway...
You know, I kind of I my assumption is I know it's sometimes it almost seems a little, you know, douchey to do these recap episodes. But I don't know. It's just I think this is probably going to end up being the biggest thing that I've ever done. I just have the feeling that this debate, I think me and Douglas debating would have been a big numbers show anywhere.
But then you put that on Rogan and it's like, holy shit, this is going to be a big, you know, a big episode. And people love debates like that. So it was, you know, going into it. It was like, okay, this is going to be a big thing. I was very much looking forward to it. I'm a bit... I was fairly confident about how it would go. I'm happy with how it went. I think it's great.
I'm a bit shocked at how crazy it was. And in the way... I'll say this, right? This is an interesting...
Me and Douglas both, whatever side you're on, one of the really interesting dynamics, I thought, of the debate that stuck out to me was that, and I think even if you're like a Douglas Murray fan and you think, oh, he smoked me or whatever, which most people seem to not think is the case, but some of his, you know, he's got a big fan base and I have a big fan base.
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Chapter 5: What was the reaction to the debate on the Joe Rogan Experience?
And I understand why on that platform it... it should be a little bit different than it is on pierce morgan or something like this this is for long-form conversations so i i go into it with that attitude and i also think that's kind of why i didn't you know there were areas i probably could have gone a little bit harder on him but i also look
I'll say this and then I'll shut up and let you talk for a little bit and you can tell me what you think. But I really I left there with the feeling I would say even a half hour in to the show. I just. I think the reaction that we're getting. You know, I've had a lot of debates where the reaction is overwhelmingly that I won the debate in this particular case. It's just that he lost it.
Like, it wasn't even that I beat him in the debate. He started out with a 40-minute... struggle session for Joe Rogan that just contained probably the longest stretched logical fallacy I've ever seen anyone open a debate with. Just a naked appeal to authority, completely unclear with what he was saying. He literally he came in. So in this struggle session with Joe Rogan, I couldn't make this up.
This is barely before I presented any thought or argument or opinion. I think I think it was before that he comes in with this long that is an appeal to authority, an appeal to expertise. You're having these non-experts talk about issues that experts should talk about.
And I'm not saying they should be censored and I'm not saying they shouldn't talk about it, but they're talking about it and they're acting like they're experts. How are they acting like they're experts? Because they're talking about it. And when they're talking, it was just the most ridiculous thing.
argument the most pompous elitist but essentially telling the the host of the show and the entire audience your opinion doesn't matter like it was just a strategy to me that was like you want to make everyone think you're a pompous asshole it was wild in there sandwiched in this appeal to expertise he trashes Daryl Cooper and Ian Carroll whose names he doesn't even know and admits that he's never consumed any of their material before
Yet he's trashing them and then claiming that you can only talk about these issues if you have expertise. Then when he's asked, does he have expertise? He goes, well, in some things, do you talk about things you don't have expertise in? Yeah, all the time I talk about things I don't have expertise in. Okay, well, why can you do that? You're not even understanding my point.
You know, it was just like the most wild thing. And it just became clear as the show went on that Douglas Murray came to do anything but debate me. Like that was the theme of the entire show. He was there to do every single thing except have an exchange of ideas with me. It was either, I'm going to go on this long appeal to authority, or I'm going to play ridiculous semantics games with you.
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Chapter 6: How does Dave Smith critique Douglas Murray's debate strategy?
Like when I say, we are at war, you'll say, we are we at war, and you're not at war. Your military is having an action, and you're not. And just contradicting himself constantly. The things... Instead of ever taking on my argument, he would think it was a big blow to be like, you haven't been there. You haven't been there. You don't have expertise. It's so bizarre because it's like,
This would be – look, I'm not saying I would agree with it, but at least it would make sense if Douglas Murray refused to debate me and then made a video about why he wouldn't debate me. And in the video he said because he doesn't have expertise and because he hasn't been there and because – okay. But once you agree to the debate, you can't just say I have expertise and you don't have expertise.
You can't spend 40 minutes on that. It's like demonstrate it, motherfucker. If you've been there and that gives you some greater insight, then demonstrate that and win the argument and counter what I'm saying. He would never, I mean, the entire thing, it was straw man. He would argue against what other people are saying.
You know, if I said, oh, the NED and the USAID poured $100 million into the Maidan protests in 2014, he'd go, you know, sometimes libertarians speak as if everything that happens in the world is done by America. And really, there are no other actors and nobody else has agency. And I'm like, what? No, all the people there have agency. Also, the U.S.
poured $100 million into a street punch that overthrew a democratically elected government. Like what? No matter who I said, dude, his big like blows that he tried to land were, I'm not an expert, but I present myself as an expert. And then I said, I don't claim to be an expert. And he said, see, that's the problem. I haven't been there. I haven't been to Israel. So therefore, well, I don't know.
Can't comment on it. And then at the end, I literally cited that the supreme commander of the NATO forces and the four-star general, Wesley Clark, said that the plans to overthrow seven different governments came from Paul Wolfowitz. And he said, I shouldn't say Paul Wolfowitz because that'll make people hate Jews or something like that. I can't mention the deputy defense secretary.
Anyway, I don't know. You could tell me what you thought of it, but it was a, it was, I don't really think I particularly won the debate. I think he just showed up trying to do anything he could not to debate. It was transparent. People could see through it. It was smug and condescending. And that's why the reaction is what it is. That's kind of my thoughts.
I don't, First, it did an excellent job. It was a, it was a fun watch. I, I knew that this was happening for a while and I was very excited for it. And that was a good recap there to hop into the Paul Wolfowitz thing, just cause it's the last thing you said. And then maybe we could address some of the others cause they were all just such a fascinating points.
But let's start with the Paul Wolfowitz one. You mentioned the name and it was so not the point of what you were trying to address. I think you guys were having a conversation about the regime changes in the area and in the agency. And you were trying to say, no, America's clearly had an involvement. And he said that as an aside and he scoffed and you're like, well, why is that part funny?
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Chapter 7: What are the broader implications of media narratives on public perception?
and um and i was like okay well you got to admit they said forever that that was their brightest red line and then there's all these people at the top level of our intelligence who said you know when they say this is the red line i think they really mean it i think we better not flirt with crossing this red line and then we kept flirting with crossing the red line and he'd be like oh so now you trust the head of the cia
As if like there's some contradiction, like, yeah, now I love the organization that is the CIA. I'm just saying even the CIA head himself admitted they all say this is the brightest of red lines. And I think they mean it. And I think this might lead to war. Like, you're not taking on the argument at all.
And then he'd go, well, it wasn't about NATO expansion and say something else about how Putin wants to constitute the Soviet Union. And I'd say, OK, well, the head of NATO literally said that Vladimir Putin sent him a draft treaty saying just put into writing that you won't bring Ukraine into NATO and then I won't invade right before he invaded. And he'll go, the war was never about that.
And then there's always this feeling that it's about the Americans and it's always about what we're doing. And it's not, it's like, you didn't counter the art, you know, like he's just not, he was there to do anything he could do except grapple with any of the arguments because, you know, on some level he knows the shit is indefensible. I mean, I don't know what to say. And so I think, uh,
In a weird way, I think I ended up just collecting kind of an easy win on that. I mean, I'm glad people are telling me I did a good job. I'm glad people feel that way. But it just seemed almost like, oh, he's just kind of hanging himself. I mean, think about it. He came in and picked a fight with the moderator and then essentially the entire audience. It was like, Jesus Christ.
And I just think that... whatever, at least from what I've seen of the reaction.
And I do tend to like, you know, I tried my best to not like live in the YouTube comments, but on a show like this, it's kind of impossible for me to not, you know, when you do this on, it's not like if I do a show in front of my audience where I kind of, you know, I know my audience knows me very well and I know them very well.
And at this point, the Joe Rogan audience knows me, but it's not the same. And it's such a huge show. that you're like, oh, I'm kind of interested how people responded to this.
And it was, I mean, the second I looked through the comments, it was like exactly what I said after the show, exactly what everyone there, because he left right after, and I asked a bunch of the people who were there and watched it, like, hey, what did you guys think? Brutally honest, what did you think? And they were all like, oh, he just killed himself right away.
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