To officially wrap up season 5, we’ve brought in our friend, Detective Mike Weber, to discuss his thoughts on the police investigation into Sophie Hartman. He walks listeners through the extensive police reports and analyzes the evidence collected, including Sophie’s journal entries. Andrea and Detective Mike discuss the complexities surrounding child abuse cases, particularly the influence of family court decisions and the challenges faced in prosecuting these cases. *** Links and Resources: Click here to view our sponsors. Remember that using our codes helps advertisers know you’re listening and helps us keep making the show! Subscribe on YouTube where we have full episodes and lots of bonus content. Follow Andrea on Instagram for behind-the-scenes photos: @andreadunlop Buy Andrea's books here. To support the show, go to Patreon.com/NobodyShouldBelieveMe or subscribe on Apple Podcasts where you can get all episodes early and ad-free and access exclusive ethical true crime bonus content. For more information and resources on Munchausen by Proxy, please visit MunchausenSupport.com The American Professional Society on the Abuse of Children’s MBP Practice Guidelines can be downloaded here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What are Andrea Dunlop's reflections on Season 5?
True Story Media. Hello, it's Andrea. First of all, thank you so much for all of the incredible feedback on season five. I've gotten so many comments and emails about the season and especially about my interview with Chalice Howard that aired last week as our unexpected episode nine.
So I wanted to tell you I have been sharing all of these nice messages with Chalice and she said that you are such a lovely group of people and I could not agree more. She also wanted me to tell you that she is so grateful for how this episode landed, and peace and blessings to you all.
Today we've got a bonus episode with friend of the show, and of course my co-author on my new book, The Mother Next Door, Detective Mike Weber, breaking down some elements of the Sophie Hartman case that we didn't get to in our episode with the other Detective Mike, Michael Lee, because some of that documentation came in later in the game. And that is Adventures in Foyer Request for you.
A reminder that we've got our Season 5 Mailbag episode coming up, so get your comments and questions in now. You can email us or send us a voice memo at hello at nobody should believe me dot com. Again, that's hello at nobody should believe me dot com. Or if you're listening on Spotify, you can leave a question in the comments and we will grab it.
We are hard at work right now on our Season 6, which is set to air later this spring. And I know I always say this, but we have really never done anything like this one on Nobody Should Believe Me. So all I can say is buckle up. In the meantime, we've got a whole new batch of Case Files episodes for you. We are going to be covering a couple of cases that are in the headlines right now.
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Chapter 2: Who is Detective Mike Weber and what is his role in the Sophie Hartman case?
Oh, I think it's compulsive.
Is it compulsive?
But yes. Yeah. Anyway, same idea.
Yeah, that really struck out to me. And obviously, all of her admissions about her illness, her own illness falsifications, which showed just a pattern of behavior. You know, I'm not an attorney. It'd be interesting to see what an attorney had to say about those being admissible, specifically an attorney from the state of Washington. I think you may have problems getting them in.
in the guilt innocence portion of trial, but they would absolutely come in in punishment phase, right?
Interesting, yeah. I was gonna ask you actually if you thought, like how you thought these would have played at trial.
The main thing they would have done is there was no way her defense attorney would let her take the stand because she makes one statement that she's an honest person. She makes one statement that I don't lie about anyone's health or I don't lie about health. She makes that statement on the stand under cross-examination. That comes in. Right. All those statements from her from her journal come in.
So and people mess up whenever they're under cross examination all the time because they don't know. They don't know the legal system. No matter how much you coach them as a defense attorney, when they get up there, you never know what they're going to say. And it would have kept her absolutely from testifying. at the minimum.
But one of the things she says in the journal is, you know, we need a feeding tube. I need to push for this. So she can't... Those journals, again, eliminate the defense of just saying, well, you know, I'm just following what the doctors tell me to do.
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