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Smart Planning Sessions: When is it OK to Stop Saving? (Plus: Spring Cleaning Your Finances)
Mon, 28 Apr 2025
In a new Smart Planning segment, a finance expert tackles retirement goals and savings questions with a listener. How can you gift savings bonds? When is it time to stop saving for retirement early? Hosts Sean Pyles and Elizabeth Ayoola offer tips for “spring cleaning” your finances, including refreshing your budget, resetting your financial goals, updating your insurance and estate plans, and getting back on track if emotional spending crept up earlier this year. Then, they debut Smart Planning, a new segment where a registered financial advisor helps a listener tackle real-life money questions. In this session, Certified Financial Planner Barbara Ginty, host of the Future Rich podcast, talks with listener Kay about navigating the transition from saving to spending. They dive into how to know when you’ve saved enough to scale back at work, how to plan for rising medical costs in retirement, and how to gift savings bonds the right way. If you’ve ever wondered what financial freedom could look like after decades of diligent saving, this conversation is packed with insight. Inspired to navigate your finances with an advisor? Use NerdWallet Advisors Match to find vetted professionals today at https://www.nerdwalletadvisors.com/match Track your budget and credit score on the NerdWallet app, and let the Nerds guide you toward your financial goals: https://www.nerdwallet.com/p/mobile-app In their conversation, the Nerds discuss: updating financial goals, savings bonds, how to gift savings bonds, budgeting tools, emotional spending, estate planning checklist, updating beneficiaries, Roth IRA contributions, SEP IRA contributions, dollar-cost averaging investing, semi-retirement planning, when to stop saving for retirement, how much to save for retirement by 55, Medicare vs Medicare Advantage, retirement healthcare costs, setting up travel insurance, travel insurance for seniors, Roth vs traditional IRA in retirement, retirement income planning, safe withdrawal rate, 4% rule retirement, and required minimum distributions.. To send the Nerds your money questions, call or text the Nerd hotline at 901-730-6373 or email [email protected]. Like what you hear? Please leave us a review and tell a friend.
Chapter 1: What are effective ways to spring clean your finances?
Sean, it's spring and I can finally throw my jackets in the back of the closet and get back to being the tropical princess I was born to be. What are you growing in your garden during this season?
I have a bunch of seedlings growing in my greenhouse right now. Tomatoes, hot peppers, herbs, some annual flowers. I always feel so invigorated by spring and I just love to spend all of my free time in the garden this time of year.
Well, while we're on the topic of growing things, spring is a good time to clean up your finances and grow your money. So today we're going to chat about some ways that you can spring clean your finances.
Welcome to NerdWallet's Smart Money Podcast, where you send us your money questions and we answer them with the help of our genius nerds. I'm Sean Piles.
And I'm Elizabeth Ayola. This episode, we have a new segment, Smart Planning, where we pair a listener with a financial expert, Barbara Ginty, to help walk through some questions around gifting and saving.
To start off the episode, though, we're going to chat a bit about spring cleaning your finances. But first, we want to acknowledge the news has been pretty wild lately, especially around trade policies and the economy. We designed this segment to be helpful no matter what's happening.
But if something big breaks between the time we record this and when you're listening, remember you can check out our Thursday episodes or the NerdWallet News Hub for the latest updates and to see how it affects your finances. Copy that, Sean. It's time to get your financial house in order. Deep clean that budget and get the dust off of those goals.
Personally, I love a good spring check-in with my finances. My summers tend to be so busy that I like to use this time to make sure that I'm on track with my financial goals. and find a place or two to make some adjustments. So, Elizabeth, where do you think folks should start?
I think we should talk about budgeting first, since that is the foundation of personal finances. Sean, have you had any major changes to your budget so far this year? Where does your budget need some spring cleaning?
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Chapter 2: How can I gift savings bonds?
There may be some taxes, but that is where you really want to talk to a tax professional.
And where might the taxes arise?
From the difference in the original value versus the value when the recipient receives it. So it will have grown in value. And so what Kay purchased versus what her nephew is going to receive, there is going to be a gain in the gift, right? From what she spent versus what he's going to receive. And that is where the taxation will come.
And whether the recipient's going to pay, which is what I would presume is the most likely scenario, but you would want to talk to a tax professional.
Well, Kay, any other questions around these savings bonds? I know you had just a pretty tactical question there. So I think that we've covered most of it. But yeah, what are you thinking right now?
No, I think that's helpful a lot.
Well, I want to shift gears a little bit and talk about some of your retirement questions, Kay. You mentioned a little bit about this earlier, but give us a picture of how you've been saving for retirement and where you think you might need some guidance.
So my spouse and I have been contributing to retirement accounts for the duration of our working lives, sometimes a little less than others. We've been contributing to Roths, particularly early on in our working careers, and then workplace retirement accounts. whenever we had them, so which is most of the time.
And again, the only significant debt we have right now is a home mortgage and that's all we're expecting to have really going forward. So I'm just curious about what amount we should have saved by age 55 that might allow us to semi-retire and stop contributing.
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Chapter 3: What should I consider before stopping retirement contributions?
So at 65, you'll be eligible for Medicare and that is the retiree healthcare system. If you retire with medical, that would become your secondary insurance. If not, you might want to get gap coverage. And so what I would say is the number I would use for what you would need, you know, ballpark,
would be what you're currently netting, subtracting out the mortgage, but then maybe adding a little bit more to buffer for potentially a higher cost for medical since it's currently covered. And you will have some expenses with medical. And I think a lot of people underestimate what that might be in retirement.
And so what I always say to people is in retirement, no one's really ever upset if they have extra money. It's only if you have less than what you expect it.
When thinking about that medical cost and how to project that, is there any sort of formula or general wisdom of how to consider what that higher medical cost should be?
Yes. So there's actually a great government benefit. It's either the Office of the Aging or the Office for the Aging in your local community. And it is a government benefit. run agency and you can sit down with them and they'll do healthcare counseling and they'll go over what the various costs are going to be and what they also see locally, right?
And what plans are working well locally in terms of like gap coverage. And then you also have the choice. There's a big difference between Medicare and Medicare Advantage. Medicare is going to be your traditional Medicare where you have part A, part B, and then your prescription coverage.
Medicare Advantage is where you have a private company that goes in and puts all of your pieces together for you and you just pay them. Right. And so that oftentimes comes in a lot cheaper and it's seamless because it's one right versus the various pieces that you have with. traditional Medicare, and then you would get that gap coverage.
The thing I like to warn people about in retirement is the Medicare Advantage will come in cheaper initially. But as we all know, as you get older and your later years of retirement, most people need more medical care at that stage. And so the Medicare Advantage might be cheaper in the beginning, but oftentimes isn't cheaper later on when you need more medical care.
Additionally, depending on your retirement goals, you might want to travel in retirement. And those plans tend to be very local specific. And so you could be out of network on vacation versus if you're doing Medicare, the traditional, which can come in a bit higher. You're not going to be out of network when you're traveling because it's a federally run program. So it doesn't matter where you are.
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Chapter 4: What are the best strategies for managing healthcare costs in retirement?
This is domestic only. So for instance, if you took a Medicare Advantage plan and we'll just use the state I'm in, Kay, but I'm in Utah and I did a Medicare Advantage. And so I'm in network in Utah, but then I go to New York to visit my sister and I have, we'll just say I have a stroke and I need to go to the hospital.
Well, that hospital most likely will be out of network because I'm no longer in Utah. But if you are on Medicare, Medicare is a federal program. So it doesn't matter what state I'm in.
But it's important to know, too, if you're planning on doing international travel, neither would port abroad. Correct, Barbara?
Correct. Nope, neither would port abroad. And that's why it's important. And oftentimes, and these are other expenses that come up in retirement. But if you're planning on traveling a lot abroad, a lot of my clients travel very frequently. It is important to get your own travel insurance. And oftentimes, they have good medical coverage.
And it's worth, as an adult, this is another adult lesson, right? We pay for a lot of insurance throughout our lifetime with the hope that we never use it. Travel insurance abroad is really important, especially with good medical coverage if you're going to be traveling. And the hope is that you don't have a medical event while you're abroad.
But it is important to have that travel policy separate for international.
Kay, that makes me wonder about your retirement in general. When you talk with your partner about your retirement, what comes to mind? What do you discuss for potential plans?
We are all over the map on that one.
Mm-hmm.
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Chapter 5: How can I navigate estate planning effectively?
And so you just map out using your approximate inputs on where you think you're going to be. And I always say it's better to plan for more expenses than than less because as I said, nobody's ever been upset if they have a buffer, right? They have extra at the end of the month. That's ever really been a problem. The only time it's a problem is if you don't have enough, right?
Because the way I always describe retirement, it would be like jumping off the high board into the pool, right? You want to make sure you check the water first before you do it because there's no going back. And so I always think it's better to plan for a little more and have a bit of a buffer. And so when we're talking about what you need,
The textbook rule is you want to look at what you'll have at your retirement and what it'll generate. And we usually use to be conservative 4%. You can also use 5%, but I would say somewhere between 4% and 5% off of how much you have saved. So for instance, if you have a million dollars saved, that would generate on the conservative side, $40,000. And so then you know, okay, that's 40,000.
But now is that 40,000 gross or is that 40,000 net? And so if that million dollars is a million dollars in an IRA, right, traditional IRA, then we know we're also going to have to pay tax on that 40,000. So it's not really 40,000 in our pocket, depending on where we're going to fall tax-wise.
If it's a million dollars in a Roth, which would be amazing, then that is 40,000 to spend versus 40,000 on a traditional IRA. And that's where you start to kind of rough draft your plan and say, okay, this is how much we're going to have. This is how much on a ballpark it's going to generate. And then you say, what are our tax ramifications on that? And then that gives you an idea of
if that's going to be able to maintain your current lifestyle.
That is super helpful, actually, that kind of philosophy. And we have to go back and look through how much we have in Roth versus how much we have in the standard IRAs to kind of figure out the tax liabilities there too.
So I would say the big missteps I see with people planning for retirement is they underestimate some of the expenses. We'll just say in this instance, medical, right? What medical is going to cost, right? And then taxes are often underestimated depending on what you have saved for retirement.
Oftentimes when people come in to work with me for retirement, the majority of their monies were saved through workplace plans, right?
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