NerdWallet's Smart Money Podcast
Can AI Really Manage Your Money? Plus: The Truth About Roth Conversions
Mon, 10 Mar 2025
Learn how AI can help you budget, invest, and build financial knowledge. Then, get expert insights on Roth conversions. How can AI help you manage your money? What do you need to know about Roth conversions? Hosts Sean Pyles and Elizabeth Ayoola discuss the rise of AI-powered financial tools and break down the pros and cons of using AI for budgeting, financial education, and investing research. They explore how generative AI, budgeting apps, and robo-advisors can assist with personal finance tasks but also highlight potential risks that come with using the technology, like misinformation and algorithmic bias. Then, investing Nerd Sam Taube joins Sean and Elizabeth to discuss Roth conversions, including how they work, when they make sense, and what tax implications to consider. They cover how to estimate taxes on a conversion, the impact of the pro-rata rule on backdoor Roth IRAs, and strategies to avoid tax complications. Whether you’re curious about AI-driven financial tools or weighing a Roth conversion, this episode provides the insights you need to make smarter money decisions. What Is a Robo-Advisor and Is One Right for You? https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/investing/what-is-a-robo-advisor Federal Income Tax Calculator and Refund Estimator 2024-2025 https://www.nerdwallet.com/calculator/tax-calculator NerdWallet’s roundup of the best financial advisors: https://www.nerdwallet.com/best/investing/financial-advisors In their conversation, the Nerds discuss: how to use AI for budgeting, AI investing tools, robo-advisors, AI for financial planning, AI stock research, how to use ChatGPT for money management, generative AI and finance, Roth conversion taxes, Roth IRA conversion rules, Roth IRA tax implications, backdoor Roth IRA, pro rata rule Roth conversion, traditional IRA vs Roth IRA, Roth conversion strategy, Roth conversion tax brackets, when to do a Roth conversion, backdoor Roth IRA step by step, Roth IRA withdrawal rules, best robo-advisors, AI stock picking, AI for retirement planning, how to avoid taxes on Roth conversion, investing with AI, and AI vs human financial advisors. To send the Nerds your money questions, call or text the Nerd hotline at 901-730-6373 or email [email protected]. Like what you hear? Please leave us a review and tell a friend.
Chapter 1: How can AI help with personal finance management?
Well, I use ChatGPT to find Valentine's Day staycation ideas. And I am proud to say that I now have new date night ideas that I will be taking full credit for. Just kidding, kinda. But honestly, I also use it to explain how bonds work like I was a five-year-old. And then I asked it to further explain to me as a visual learner.
Wow, those all sound like really useful applications. I'll admit that I'm not an AI power user, largely because I worry about its environmental impact, but maybe one day I'll use it to plan my life. This episode will give folks a few tips for how they can use AI to help them manage their money.
Welcome to NerdWallet's Smart Money Podcast, where you send us your money questions and we answer them with the help of our genius nerds. I'm Sean Piles.
And I'm Elizabeth Ayola. This episode, we answer a listener's question about Roth conversions, which is timely considering tax season is upon us.
But first, let's explore the rapidly evolving and sometimes intimidating world of AI and whether it's a good idea to use it to help you manage your finances.
So for context that nobody asked for, I recently wrote an article on the topic of AI for nerdwallet.com. And what I learned along the way was pretty interesting. So I came across an Experian report that found that 67% of the Gen Z population and also 62% of millennials surveyed are using artificial intelligence to help with their personal finances.
I guess I'm in that minority of 38% of millennials not using AI, but maybe by the end of this conversation, I'll be converted. Elizabeth, before you go too deep into AI stuff, I want to be really clear. What do you mean by using AI to manage finances? Because AI is really broad and so many financial tools can fall under the category of AI.
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Chapter 2: What are the pros and cons of using AI for budgeting?
You're absolutely right, Sean. And that was my first conundrum when I started researching. So I would say that when I personally hear AI, my mind immediately jumps to chat GPT, right? But the Experian report that I just mentioned focused on generative AI. So for those who are like, what the heck is that?
It's defined as an algorithm or learning model that can be used to generate new content based on the data it's trained with. So the most common example is a tool like chat GPT. In the experience survey that I mentioned, the target was people using generative AI tools for things like budgeting and saving, investment planning, or improving their credit scores.
Anywho, other than generative AI-powered tools, there are so many other AI tools available that can help people to manage their finances. Some ways that people could use AI, generative or otherwise, to help manage their money include via an AI-powered budgeting app, robo-advisors, and yes, chat GPT or other chatbots.
There are also AI power tools that can be used for bookkeeping and researching and analyzing stocks, which can be a headache for some people. Some of these tools just use elements of AI while others brand themselves as actual AI tools. And it kind of reminds me of greenwashing a little bit. Not everything that has a green label on it is 100% sustainable.
Yeah, and a lot of companies are just saying they have AI elements to be with the trend right now, even if it's not a super advanced product. So it sounds like various forms of AI can be deployed to manage different aspects of your personal finances.
Exactly, Sean. So I think it's pretty cool and it could remove barriers for some people who struggle to manage their finances because it all seems so complex. And it can also be a way for people to elevate their finances too if they're stuck at the basics.
Okay, Elizabeth, can you share three or four ways that people can use AI to manage their finances today?
I think at a high level, AI tools can be used to assist with budgeting, one, understanding complex financial topics, two, and three, researching companies for investing.
Let's start with budgeting there, since that's a pillar of personal finance. Off the top of my head, I think chat GPT or generative AI in general could be used to help you create a budget plan. What do you think about that?
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Chapter 3: Can AI tools enhance financial education?
Well, Sean, first of all, don't let me find out that you are an undercover AI expert. Are you? Are you?
I'm certainly not, but I try to stay up on what's happening in the world.
Okay, good. But yes, you are correct. So you could also tell an AI bot what your goals are and ask how you can get there based on your income and expenses. So if you're not into the AI bot life, there are also AI budgeting apps like Clio, for example, that can provide a budget plan, send payment reminders, and also track your spending.
And I imagine that AI tools might also be helpful for analyzing spending habits, maybe looking for areas of improvement in your budget and providing recommendations for how to spend less money.
For sure. I will say though, it's important to remember that AI isn't always great for personalization. So it doesn't take things like your money values, your fears, your triggers, and things like that into account. And these things are just as important as the quantitative aspects of budgeting. So for example, maybe I have a money fear around unexpected emergencies.
So I would want a bigger emergency fund than the AI tool suggests. So Sean, this is a good place for you to plug your CFP knowledge around behavior and finance.
Thank you for giving me this opportunity, Elizabeth. In general, one of the roadblocks for people when it comes to accomplishing financial goals is just inertia. It can be really hard to get going for any number of reasons. So if you want to incorporate AI into your budgeting practice, think about what application of AI might make you more likely to accomplish what you want to do with your money.
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Chapter 4: Is AI reliable for investment research?
That might mean using AI-powered budgeting apps to organize your spending or having a conversation with ChatGPT to help you find ways to stay motivated as you make progress on your financial goals. Let's move on to using AI for financial education. Elizabeth, how can folks do that and is it going to put us out of a job?
I'm hoping it's not going to put us out of a job, Sean. But I don't know about you, but when I first started my financial education journey, I found many topics around finance confusing. For example, like how bonds work or how to analyze a stock, as I mentioned earlier. And it kept me from starting my investing journey for a while.
So there are some AI tools out there that can help you better understand complicated financial topics and also overcome some of these roadblocks. The thing I personally like about chatbots, like ChatGBT in particular, is you can use them like a thought partner and have a conversation with them.
So you could ask it to break a complex topic down for you based on your learning style, and you can keep on asking follow-up questions until you understand. And if you think about it, if someone is explaining to you a topic and you don't understand, sometimes you get a bit apprehensive about keep asking, right? But with the chatbot, there's no judgment.
So I think that's the difference between using a tool like AI for financial education and just reading an article. AI is more interactive.
Yeah, I get that in theory, but here's where my curmudgeonly Luddite tendencies are going to come out. One of my biggest qualms with AI models is that they have a track record of just making stuff up and giving people inaccurate information. So I think if folks want to learn more about a subject, AI can be a good jumping off point.
But then I would recommend going to a more trusted source like NerdWallet to ensure that you're getting accurate information.
I see the sneaky plug that you just put in there, Sean. And I like it.
I'm just looking out for our listeners, okay?
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Chapter 5: Should you replace your financial advisor with AI?
For instance, AI can help you sort through stock market data to identify worthwhile investment opportunities. And similarly, it could help you sort through historical data to help you identify potential risks so you can then make an informed decision based on that knowledge. For the most part, it can be a good resource for research around an investing strategy.
And I just want to throw it out there that I think people should be cautious when it comes to using AI to tell them what stocks to pick or for personalized investment advice, and also that people should be aware of algorithmic bias when using AI-powered investment tools.
Algorithmic bias is when machine learning algorithms make decisions that systematically disadvantage certain groups due to flaws in the data it was fed or trained on. Remember, these tools are using data that they've been trained with, as you mentioned earlier, Elizabeth.
It's possible that data may favor certain companies or sectors, so folks should just keep that in mind when they use these tools.
I second that. And I will also throw out there, because there may be some people who are like, well, aren't robo-advisors AI? So there is an exception, I suppose, which is using a robo-advisor. They use AI to help automate the investment process and also provide general advice.
But the personalized advice you need to increase your chances of achieving your financial goals may be lacking with robo-advisors. So with that in mind, if you want to learn more about robo-advisors, another plug, we've got an article about that we can link in the show notes.
And I think the sum of it is that AI can provide perspective, but it shouldn't be the only source that you use to make investment decisions. On that note, Elizabeth, are you telling me that I shouldn't ditch my financial advisor for an AI tool quite yet?
Well, I can't give you investment advice, Sean, but that is exactly what I'm saying. So listeners do not ditch professionals like Sean who can give your finances some personal razzle dazzle. I remember when I first hopped on the scene, I think people were spooked about it taking over. But now we're seeing more and more that we can be thought partners with artificial intelligence.
Just add it to whatever else you already have going on if you think it's going to be helpful. We also have an ongoing global issue to tackle that AI might help with trying to figure out what's for dinner and making sure these expensive eggs are not on the ingredient list.
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Chapter 6: What are Roth conversions and why are they important?
Well, until an AI model can make my dinner for me, I think I'm going to stick to my barefoot Contessa cookbooks to figure out what I'm having for dinner.
All right, enough about AI. Time to transition into our money question for today. And that is about, dum-dum, Roth conversions.
But quickly, before we get into that, we are at one of my favorite parts of the show, the moment where we ask you, listener, to take a second and think about where you need some guidance with your money.
Maybe you're feeling a little lost, like you don't even know what your financial goals should be. Or maybe you're trying to break yourself out of a bad financial habit, but just can't seem to do it. Whatever your money question, we nerds are here to help. Leave us a voicemail or text us on the Nerd Hotline at 901-730-6373. That's 901-730-NERD.
And a reminder that one of our goals on Smart Money this year is to talk with more of you live on the podcast to help you with your money questions. So if you want to hang out with Elizabeth and me for a bit and get some nerdy wisdom, let us know. One more time, leave us a voicemail or text us on the nerd hotline at 901-730-6373. That's 901-730-NERD.
Let's get to this episode's money question segment where we answer a listener's question about Roth conversions. That's up next. Stay with us.
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