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The Diploma Divide & DOGE: Inside America’s Political Pulse | 3.2.25

Sun, 2 Mar 2025

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Cygnal Pollster Brent Buchanan lays out the growing “Diploma Divide” and how Americans feels about Donald Trump’s presidency thus far. Get the facts first on Morning Wire.

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Chapter 1: How is Donald Trump's presidency viewed by Americans?

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Just over a month into his presidency, Donald Trump is getting high marks from American voters. He's gaining ground with non-white males and those without a college degree. Meanwhile, Democrats are struggling to hone in on a message.

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16.648 - 38.117 John Bickley

In this episode, we speak to Signal pollster Brent Buchanan about how Americans are responding so far to the Trump presidency. I'm Daily Wire Editor-in-Chief John Bickley with Georgia Howe. It's Sunday, March 2nd, and this is a weekend edition of Morning Wire. Joining us now is founder of Signal Polling Group, Brent Buchanan. Brent, thank you so much for joining us.

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38.518 - 39.318 Brent Buchanan

Yeah, great to be back.

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Chapter 2: What are the key trends in the recent national vote poll?

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So first of all, you released your new national vote trend poll this month. What were some of the trends that stood out to you?

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47.315 - 72.293 Brent Buchanan

Well, there were a few, and I'd say the biggest is this finding that non-white men continue to move towards Donald Trump. And it's a really fascinating thing because if you go back and look at the exit polling, white voters as a whole basically gave Trump the exact same margin in the 24 election as they did in the 20 election. And that was two factors, one being that

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72.913 - 91.863 Brent Buchanan

non-college educated whites continue to move to the right, college educated whites and higher continue to move to the left. And that trend on the educational attainment, we call it the diploma divide, hadn't really made its way into non-white communities in the same veracity that it had white communities from between 16 and 20 and 24.

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And you just continue to see that, like, you've got 30% of Black men who are favorable of Donald Trump. I mean, that's a stat that if you'd ask his favorability in 2017, my guess would have been around 11%.

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106.009 - 118.895 John Bickley

Yeah, so a very dramatic difference there. So you're seeing that continued support that we saw from the election to this point. What are some of the things you found in terms of specific reasons that Trump's maintaining this support?

Chapter 3: Why are non-college educated voters shifting towards Trump?

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Well, if you look at why people, especially those without a college degree, are moving to the right, it's because they don't trust the system at all. They believe that government works against them and not for them, and that it is an impediment to their ability to succeed, to take care of their family, to educate their children. They look at the lunacy of the left

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how they're focusing so much on like, let's ensure there's 10 transgender bathrooms in the school as being a more important priority than like, can my kid do math at his or her grade level? And they just see tons of like luxury issue views being touted by the left when they're trying to make ends meet and they're trying to help their kid and family be successful or even just get by in many cases.

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169.699 - 192.695 Brent Buchanan

And so that's why on issues like Doge, I mean, I'm here in the Washington, D.C. area, and everybody's hair is absolutely on fire over the downsizing and the cutting of contracts and the layoffs and all these things that in corporate America are very normal. And you don't see entire news segments being done on corporate layoffs, but they're flipping out about these smaller government layoffs.

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192.995 - 200 Brent Buchanan

But people outside of this bubble in normal America, especially these non-white communities, are cheering what's going on here.

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200.341 - 219.462 Brent Buchanan

You know, we looked at one factor in our February survey where if somebody did not vote in 2020, but they did vote for Donald Trump in 24, or they selected a different candidate in 2020, but voted for Donald Trump in 24, that audience is like 62% favorable of what Trump and Musk are doing with Doge right now.

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I mean, that's just a wild factor of these folks that Donald Trump got engaged and pulled into the electorate or pulled his way are who is shaping the narrative moving forward.

Chapter 4: What challenges are Democrats facing in gaining support?

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Now, you've talked about the record support for Trump, more support than he's ever had before. What about the other side of the aisle, though? We've seen reports of Democrats feeling rudderless, suffering record low support for them. What have you found?

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244.478 - 265.886 Brent Buchanan

They are in the doldrums, to say the least. And it's all their own doing, because as I was mentioning, they would rather focus on sexuality than they would the economy and have really radical views on it. And so they have earned this first off for themselves. But when you look at some of these, like I always like to look at data against some other point of data.

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how are the Democrats viewed versus how are the Republicans viewed, not just how are the Democrats viewed. Men are two to one unfavorable of Democrats. So Democrats are essentially buoyed by females, and when you dig further, they're buoyed by college-educated females.

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So they're becoming less diverse as a party of who makes up their base and becoming more the party of the coastal elites and the big city elites. And those people don't look at all like the rest of America, like the majority of America.

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298.092 - 317.163 Brent Buchanan

And so when you go look at the inverse on the Republican side of their image, obviously females aren't as supportive of Republicans as males are, but it's not nearly the drastic difference between the two genders, and it's not as bad among females for Republicans as it is among males for Democrats.

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You've even got 17% of Democrats who have an unfavorable opinion of their own party and only 12% of Republicans who have an unfavorable opinion of their own party. So if we're playing this forward three, six, 12 months going into the midterm, there are more people disaffected with the Democratic Party who might move over to the Republican Party than vice versa.

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One of the only talking points Democrats seem to be coalescing around is an anti-billionaire message, particularly focusing on Musk as sort of the boogeyman. Do you think that will play for the party? Will that work?

Chapter 5: Is the anti-billionaire message effective for Democrats?

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It's class warfare, which has historically played well for the Democrats. The challenge is the number of people now within their constituency that that class warfare message worked with has dwindled because those folks, as we were talking about, you know, you've got the non-white, non-college educated voters, especially males moving to the Republican Party.

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they're not going to be voting for a Democrat. So their available pool of people to play this class warfare game with has shrunk. Now, does it help turn out some of their voters? Maybe, like maybe this is a turnout play, but it is not something that I think is going to work and pull persuadable people their way.

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There's some concern that a lot of the action that's taken so far by Trump is via executive order. It's unilateral. It comes only from the executive branch. Do you feel that we have a window that's closing for congressional action here? What's the sense of urgency for Republicans in the House and Senate to really get their agenda passed?

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413.916 - 432.31 Brent Buchanan

Well, the first thing is we have to realize that most voters aren't watching the news constantly. So when they hear something or see something, they don't differentiate between the fact that Congress passed a law and Trump signed it or Trump signed an executive order or Trump just said something on Truth Social.

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or randomly at a press conference like they do not delineate between any of those things so maybe this is the argument for more civics education in school to have more people coming out of the public education system to know how government actually functions and works but if we're talking about the reality that we live in today people don't know the difference they just see massive action occurring which is why it's freaking out some folks and elating others

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From your polling, do you see any headwinds for the Trump administration? Any issues that they should be paying attention to that might be troubling in the future? Any issues gaining momentum that could work against them?

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I think the discussions around the cuts to Medicaid, and this kind of in my mind goes to all the communication about Doge in general. We've got to remember that this is dealing with people still. And so to come at it cold-hearted or to appear cold-hearted in how we're going about this cuts against our ability to do more of it. And so... Yes. Do entitlements need to be curbed? 100% they do.

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But we can't just walk out there and let the narrative be Republicans are going to cut Medicaid, Republicans are going to cut Social Security because that's going to freak grandma and grandpa out. What we need to do instead on the conversation is explain, here is the massive fraud, waste, and abuse. We're not just using those three words. Here's a contract for this.

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Here is where a doctor billed 100,000 MRI scans when the average doctor bills 100, as an example, and say, those are the things we're cutting. And when we cut these, we can protect the program and protect your benefits. And that's the part that's totally missing right now in the Republican messaging on Doge, but also on the budget discussions.

Chapter 6: What are the potential headwinds for the Trump administration?

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as opposed to a value system, means that instead of hiring people based on merit and based on their experience, we're gonna say that your racial and gender or some other immutable characteristic is more important than what you have accomplished or what you're capable of doing when matched up with somebody else who could do the job.

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And so when we put it in that construct, we found that only 3% of people said prioritize racial and gender identity in hiring. And we found 64% of people that said merit and experience. And again, everything about communication comes back to anchoring and giving somebody an understanding of something they can grasp. And the whole DEI conversation has to be anchored against.

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When we choose that, we're saying merit and experience don't matter.

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627.256 - 636.778 John Bickley

And now what about the crackdown on illegal immigration from the Trump administration? That's been a major focus for them, and they've done a lot of messaging on that. How is the public responding to that so far?

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637.805 - 660.734 Brent Buchanan

It is the item that gets the highest scoring on any poll that you see when voters are asked, do you approve or disapprove of the job that Trump is doing on, and then they lay out the individual aspects as opposed to just job approval in general. And you start to get well above his job approval numbers when you ask about illegal immigration, because that was front and center

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of his entire campaign. It was constant news clips. If you remember back to 24 of these people storming over the border, you're actually starting to see it decrease as a top issue because it's not in the news as much because it's actually being addressed. There's so few people coming across the border now compared to four months ago under the Biden administration.

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Obviously, a massive issue for people is the economy, their own personal finances. It's a pretty complicated question because there's lots of factors here, including tariffs and things like that. In general, what are you seeing in terms of public response to Trump's various economic policies?

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What we're seeing in our data and others is that it's not getting enough conversational attention. So voters are wanting it to be addressed or at least be spoken about. Tell us how things aren't going to cost as much or how my wages are going to be able to go up so I can make up for the gap difference between my wage and what things cost to just live now.

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And that is an area that it doesn't get nearly as high marks because it's not being talked about as much by the Trump administration. It's a real area of opportunity because Donald Trump and the Republican Congress have good ideas for this, but it's also such a massive topic. Like, I don't know how to fix the economy.

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