Modern Wisdom
#910 - Dr Julie Smith - The Science Of Emotional Intelligence & Self-Understanding
Mon, 03 Mar 2025
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Chapter 1: Why are emotions so hard to understand?
Why are emotions so hard to understand for humans?
Well, we're going to start with a big question, Zoe Cress.
In the deep end.
Yeah, well, I guess I've made a bit of a career out of working with people on their emotions. And as a psychologist, I was in the NHS for 10 years and then worked in a very kind of small private practice. And I would say, you know, all of that work, however diverse it was in terms of what people were dealing with,
mostly the common problem was there's this feeling or set of feelings that I have and I don't want to have them. And there's these other feelings that I would like to have more of the time, but I'm not sure how to access them. And nobody has this sort of manual for how to manage emotions and how to understand them and We don't even really have a great vocabulary for that.
You know, we're quite limited in you think about the sort of the diversity of the different sort of minute feelings that you can have throughout the day that apply to different situations. It was slightly different. You know, if you say, I feel joy one minute. Joy in a certain scenario might feel quite different to joy in a different scenario.
You know, the qualitative differences are there and you can feel that, but we don't necessarily have the words to express it. And we certainly don't have the sort of models to understand it. And, you know, it's only in recent years that people have even started to talk about them. So we're in the early stages, but it's, you know, exciting. Yeah.
Are we doomed to fail in some regard there as humans that we have this very rich inner experience, which is very difficult to communicate, to measure, to understand, to export to somebody else? Hey, this is what I'm...
feeling and then you have just this limited language which is constrained not only by the words you know but even by the like you know german has a ton of words that we don't have in other languages that almost unlocks your ability to understand emotions in that way are we uh fated to kind of always be scrabbling to try and understand emotions but never fully doing it
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Chapter 2: How can we manage overthinking and stress better?
if i feel bad but someone else feels good net net that means that it's good you go what if both what if you could both feel good but you just need to sort of make a demand yeah yeah so true and often you're when you feel like you're being a nice person because you're making them feel good um actually sometimes what you're doing is just appeasing them
And you're just scared of their emotional reaction or their disapproval. And it's, you know, it's motivated by fear of what their reaction might be rather than, you know, your own values around what should happen in that situation.
It's also not very trustworthy. If somebody can't trust your no, it's very difficult to trust your yes. And, you know, you hinted at if you don't have any choice, it's not particularly virtuous. You don't even feel good about doing the virtuous thing because you didn't have any other choice.
option yeah you didn't choose to be nice to this person you simply couldn't be bad yeah and um i had i wrote about this this week actually that uh a friend of mine a few months ago me and him had had a sort of well-meaning debate but i was worried that i'd upset him so i rang him a little bit afterwards and i was like hey man i just wanted to sort of check in and make sure that you're right so yeah of course like of course it was it was totally fine
And then he heard me start to chastise myself for going, see, this is my people-pleasing nature coming out. This is me. I had to check in. He's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, hang on a second. The reason that I love you as a friend, for one of the big reasons, is because you decided to put me first, even in this situation, even the one that was neutral, the fact that you did reach out and care.
He's like, be careful. pathologizing something which is actually a really virtuous part of who you are and I'm like right okay so doing the thing was good it's a part of my nature that my friends are glad that I have yeah but by being compelled to do it as opposed to choosing to do it, that does kind of derogate some of the virtue that's behind it.
So I was like, right, okay, so am I supposed to purposefully try and get rid of that, so briefly make myself a worse friend, to then relearn it again consciously so that I can finally get back to the place that I was in the beginning? I'm like, that seems unnecessarily effortful. Like to go around this whole loop to end up at the place that I started again, but this time it's caught.
You know what I mean? And I think this line between virtue from compulsions and virtue from choices and then this odd sense that we need to deprogram. Okay, so if it's hard to do, does that make it more virtuous? Like it's in my nature. Like that's just me speaking forward. What a lovely way to be. Would you rather be somebody that's mean?
and you have to work hard to do that thing, would that make you a better person? If you were good, but you were naturally mean? I'm sure I'd be able to find a way to castigate myself and whip myself into submission and say, well, I mean, you know that you did the thing, but you didn't feel like doing the thing. The human desire to minimize our good points is robust, to say the least.
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