Lex Fridman Podcast
#410 – Ben Shapiro vs Destiny Debate: Politics, Jan 6, Israel, Ukraine & Wokeism
Tue, 23 Jan 2024
Ben Shapiro is a conservative political commentator, host of The Ben Shapiro Show, co-founder of The Daily Wire, and author of The Authoritarian Moment and other books. Steven Bonnell, aka Destiny, is a liberal political commentator and a live streamer on YouTube. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: - AG1: https://drinkag1.com/lex to get 1 month supply of fish oil - Policygenius: https://policygenius.com/lex - ExpressVPN: https://expressvpn.com/lexpod to get 3 months free - InsideTracker: https://insidetracker.com/lex to get 20% off Transcript: https://lexfridman.com/ben-shapiro-destiny-debate-transcript EPISODE LINKS: Ben's X: https://twitter.com/benshapiro Ben's Instagram: https://instagram.com/officialbenshapiro Ben's YouTube: https://youtube.com/@BenShapiro Daily Wire: https://dailywire.com Destiny's YouTube: https://youtube.com/destiny Destiny's X: https://twitter.com/TheOmniLiberal Destiny's Subreddit: https://reddit.com/r/Destiny Destiny's Website: https://destiny.gg Destiny's Instragram: https://instagram.com/destiny PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ YouTube Full Episodes: https://youtube.com/lexfridman YouTube Clips: https://youtube.com/lexclips SUPPORT & CONNECT: - Check out the sponsors above, it's the best way to support this podcast - Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman - Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman - Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman OUTLINE: Here's the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time. (00:00) - Introduction (07:21) - Liberalism vs Conservatism (12:34) - Education (28:51) - Trump vs Biden (49:16) - Foreign policy (1:02:13) - Israel-Palestine (1:17:10) - Russia-Ukraine (1:28:50) - January 6 (1:44:48) - Abuse of power (1:54:46) - Wokeism (2:01:27) - Institutional capture (2:15:21) - Monogamy vs open relationships (2:20:14) - Rapid fire questions
Full Episode
The following is a debate between Ben Shapiro and Destiny, each arguably representing the right and the left of American politics, respectively. They are two of the most influential and skilled political debaters in the world. This debate has been a long time coming, for many years. It's about 2.5 hours, and we could have easily gone for many more, and I'm sure we will. It is only round one.
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