Are you buying or selling?This week Aiden, Atrioc, and DougDoug debate if Tesla is really worth it's valuation.Recorded March 12, 2025Audio Listeners can hear us:Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0Yz44z9z3t8VQu4WRmsrs6Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/lemonade-stand/id1799868725Amazon: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/7d7e1f54-49a3-4082-81e8-f70bfe1ace63/lemonade-standiHeart: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-lemonade-stand-269417962/Follow usTikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@thelemonadecastInstagram - https://www.instagram.com/thelemonadecast/Twitter - https://x.com/LemonadeCastThe C-suiteAiden - https://x.com/aidencalvinAtrioc - https://x.com/AtriocDougDoug - https://x.com/DougDougFoodEdited by Aedish - https://x.com/aedisheditsNew takes on Business, Tech, and Politics. Squeezed fresh every Thursday.#lemonadestand #dougdoug #atrioc #aiden
Chapter 1: Is Tesla's valuation justified?
You guys can do this. You can just say wrong shit about Elon and then I have to look like the dick sucker who's going to come in and be like, actually, no.
Yes, sir. No. Easy money. Yeah, on the internet opinion side, this is the easy side of the argument to be on, but I'm going to try and go at it from a business angle, which is that I am not making the argument that Elon Musk sucks. It doesn't matter to me. Like I mentioned, I talked about this on the stream, I'm not a big fan of Jeff Bezos either, but I own Amazon stock, right?
What I'm saying, I'll make an argument here, is that I think Tesla is in a really negative position going into the future, that I'm not confident in their ability to execute and that they're in a worse spot. That's what I'm going for.
I like that idea of the conversation because similarly, like I'm not a fan of Elon Musk personally, and he's not my best friend like Doug.
You don't have posters on your wall like he does.
I do think there's this idea that like anything he touches or is associated with is automatically bad. But when I saw like SpaceX catch the rocket for the first time, I'm like, that is awesome. That is so cool. So I like to see like the version of this argument that extends way more past like Elon Musk sucks and is like, what is the actual financial situation behind the company right now?
Because from my understanding, it's pretty grim at the moment.
Yeah, I mean, I could jump in. You want to go to the patented presentation wall or do you have something?
Or do you want to kick off like your overview, like high level argument about what's going on with Tesla? And then we can back up and talk about what's going on with self-driving. Because ultimately, I think what underpins almost all this conversation is self-driving cars. That is what Tesla is betting on. It's not really about how many Model Ys they sell. And so... we'll dive into that.
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Chapter 2: What are the challenges Tesla faces in the EV market?
Yeah, the Twizy. With no shame. Dude, it's like basically a golf cart. It's so funny. This is it. Oh, wow. Yeah, no, that's cool. But we, yeah, I just, uh, I was looking at the same thing. Like what would it cost to like import one of these cars that we don't have? But, uh, yeah, but.
All right. So just a very quick math here. This is why this is my simple, dumb business major brain. Uh, there's a thing called PE ratio. Basically what a company is worth about, about what it actually makes in earnings. All right. A company like Ford or most car companies between five and 10. Pretty normal for a stable, mature business.
So this means like what their total market value is five to 10 times what they make in a year? That's right.
So it's basically an idea for an investor of like how quickly you'll get your money back in a way. And it's based on, if it's a really high number, that means you actually expect the amount they make to go up rapidly because your number is going to wait 20 years. So a company like Apple might be 35 times because it's a high growth tech company. People expect the revenue to keep rising.
And all that makes sense because they make $96 billion in profit a year. They're just a cash-generating geyser. Profit. This is after all expenses. I'm being told to stand closer. I'm getting so heated about Apple. I love how much money they make. Google makes $100 billion in profit. Microsoft makes $88 billion. Meta makes $62 billion, up 39%. Amazon makes $59 billion, up 94%.
Nvidia has a PE of 60-something, which is incredibly high, but they're up 144%, making $72 billion pure, clean cash profit. Can you guess what Tesla's profit was last year?
I'll say, I mean, I'm guessing it's very low. I'll say something like $2 billion. Low relative to these companies. You're ruining my reveal because that's way too low.
No, it's $7 billion. You got to look shocked and be like, I don't know, $50 billion?
And you set them up.
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Chapter 3: How does Tesla's self-driving technology compare to competitors?
This is a strong, I'm beginning to see the direction that this is moving in.
Because this is where it stands, ignoring that huge factor, I would say it's hard for me to imagine Tesla's system progressing past me still having to sit in the driver's seat. It's like, it will be a really, really good system that still involves me being at the wheel and, at least on paper, having to stay awake. So, yeah, segue into the next part.
All I want to say is you mentioned that we have only eyes and these have only cameras and we make it work and it's going to be just as good as us. The problem is, I don't know if you know this, humans occasionally make accidents.
We do.
We occasionally die driving cars.
Speak for yourself, but yes. I've killed a few people.
Vehicle manslaughter.
I didn't know that I needed glasses until two months ago, and I couldn't read signs. You looked down and saw 14 dogs in front of you.
This is the other... I think you're about to get into what was the number one point in my mind is better than humans is not enough. Exactly. And I think an amazing example with this is recently, and I don't agree with cuts to the FFA and these aircraft accidents that have been happening, right? There's been a bunch of high profile... Bold statement. A bunch of high profile...
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Chapter 4: Why is Tesla's approach to self-driving controversial?
I was going to say, as soon as you do that, people can sell the car. Tesla could buy them back and use them for a service like this.
So the way to think about it is, and this is explicitly what Elon has stated. This is what Elon has stated and he's never lied. No trains.
I put money down. I'm not buying it in cash because I'm a normal person with a normal job. I put my money down. I loan it. I send it out to do a job. It comes back damaged. Yeah, I mean, there would need to, so that, we're going to have to solve that. You know what I'm saying? You've created all these problems for me as a regular person. I'm not going to, I don't want to be a taxi owner.
I don't own a taxi business.
Right, and not everybody will. But if the pitch to most people who own cars is, hey, normally we think about car ownership as you drop $20,000, $30,000, $40,000 on a car, and then it immediately depreciates in value for the rest of its ownership. Or you buy a $20,000, $30,000 car. and it is going to actually generate money for you over the lifetime of the car.
You don't have to do that, but every day while you're asleep or while you're at work, you can send it out. It's generating $100 on the meantime, and it's just doing this for you every single day.
We used to think about having to own 6 million DVDs in our house or whatever. Now we rent it from a service because it's become that distributed and cheap. If cars are self-driving and working everywhere, I don't want to spend $30,000 to own it and then lease it out to people to make money back. I'm just going to use it at the cheap cost when I need to use it. Sure. If it's that distributed.
Right, right, right. So I think the argument... So I think the argument... I think the...
The argument here is if they pull this off, they have millions of owners of Teslas who can suddenly start adding their thing to the fleet. And it's this incredible value add as a consumer if they want to do it. Obviously, for the person who doesn't want a guy shitting in their car, you don't need to do it. But enough people will, right?
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