Aiden
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Lemonade Stand
Are We Getting Dumber? | Ep 003 - Lemonade Stand 🍋
Two hours a day of not be, don't be a beta.
Lemonade Stand
Are We Getting Dumber? | Ep 003 - Lemonade Stand 🍋
And now I can tell you the topics? I'm excited to tell you the topics. This week, This week we're talking about how, uh, is everyone getting stupider? Yeah, you would talk about that, you bitch. Hey, yo! Dumbass. We're just talking about safe spaces, so... We'd like this to be one of the first two episodes. I was really settling into my safe space, so...
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Are We Getting Dumber? | Ep 003 - Lemonade Stand 🍋
I was going to say, number five was dumb to include because it's like, it's just kind of funny. Yeah, it's for the YouTube video. He's a good YouTuber. Yeah.
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Are We Getting Dumber? | Ep 003 - Lemonade Stand 🍋
It's really funny. I'm not touching you.
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Are We Getting Dumber? | Ep 003 - Lemonade Stand 🍋
I didn't know we were dealing with a professional here. That's the thing about the Jones Act. We choose not to do it because of the Jones Act. What is the coincidence?
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You put on earmuffs. I don't think you deserve this. Teach me about the Jones Act, AI tutor.
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Are We Getting Dumber? | Ep 003 - Lemonade Stand 🍋
A true American institution. In 2024.
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Are We Getting Dumber? | Ep 003 - Lemonade Stand 🍋
They've been bought by a South Korean company. A South Korean company.
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You get to be the crew on the boat. As long as you're an American citizen. As long as you're American. You have to pretend to be. We'll give you an American flag shirt. They pay us to work on the boat. So we can undercut the current monopoly.
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Are We Getting Dumber? | Ep 003 - Lemonade Stand 🍋
Why do any of the boat companies think about this?
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Are We Getting Dumber? | Ep 003 - Lemonade Stand 🍋
One lucky tier three subscriber who works on the boat.
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Are We Getting Dumber? | Ep 003 - Lemonade Stand 🍋
No, we're buds. Have you seen my Discord profile picture right now? Do you see this?
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Are We Getting Dumber? | Ep 003 - Lemonade Stand 🍋
Somebody drew me hanging out with Xi Jinping with the yard and Chinese flag waving below us and F-35s flying above us. I know what's happening.
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The law is so bad. It's so bad. It's all written in Chinese. It's all written in Chinese. That'd be so sick. I'd open up my next notepad. It's all Mandarin.
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Who do you think blew up Nord Stream?
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How much is deal paying him? It's like you're not fighting for the security of your countrymen. There's real life spies who've cracked these. Exactly.
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How did you find this story? Where did you hear about this?
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Just believe Doug. He's got a microphone in front of him.
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One, you tuned out at the beginning of the episode. But two... Dude, you just ignored the part, the bombshell you saved where you're like, and I sold all my Tesla stock today because I don't believe this.
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And we don't even know what it was.
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If you got this far in the video. Secret three hashtags. People who just clicked out and made their comment right after I said that.
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Are We Getting Dumber? | Ep 003 - Lemonade Stand 🍋
Oh! It's just... Oh, no. It just can't be pleasant. Get your app. I'm not hungry. That's gross, Doug. Are your eyes watering? Good episode, boys.
Lemonade Stand
We're Open for Business | Ep 001 - Lemonade Stand
There's a quote from an immigration lawyer in that article where he talks about most of the inquiries he's getting now are from young people that are like looking to move for financial reasons. He's desperate to get out. I actually tried to call the lawyer today and like ask him about like what it's like right now.
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And he, and they didn't get back to me, but I called my, so my one other relative that lives in the U S is my cousin and she works in biotech and she moved to San Diego with her also Canadian boyfriend a few years ago. and I was letting her kind of break it down for me. And she's like, at the end of the day, like it just came to like money and like my profession.
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And she says like all the people in her field and like who studied with her in Canada also want to the move to the U S because she gets three X her pay down here. And she pays like a comparable amount in taxes. So like financially it makes sense. And then even if she wants to go back to Canada, and I think a lot of people in her situation, it sounds like they would want to go back to,
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canada one day they can save money faster to uh buy a home in in canada when they go back and so that's like her experience as someone who's already made the move right uh speaking of homes can i show this Are you going to show my actual home and my address?
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This is... Here at Lemonade Stand... I can remember this, yeah. Oh, sure. Yeah.
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Fun fact, Ari is not allowed to leave the house between nine and five.
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They've like given up. They've given up completely. So this is the interesting thing to me is like, I was reading this article and I was like, this makes sense. Like the thing that my parents tell me all the time is like, the reason we moved to the U S or the reason we wanted to be in the U S was it afforded me like job and like economic opportunity that we wouldn't have had in Canada.
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Exactly. And I, and I said, mom, you're right. I never could have made it doing this work in Vancouver. Uh,
Lemonade Stand
We're Open for Business | Ep 001 - Lemonade Stand
And it seems like the financial aspect of it is the key mover on that over kind of everything else. Because I ended up talking to another close friend of mine that still lives. He lives in Alberta. He lives in Calgary, and he's trying to get a job in finance right now. And I was like, what is like for you who's in Canada trying to find a job in Canada, how do things feel to you right now?
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And he's like, well, things are pretty like doomer here in terms of like economic, you know, like owning a home, like the job market's really bad. It's tough to find work if you're a young person, even like if you're a new college grad. And these things are all like shared frustrations among my friends.
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But then, and a big question I wanted to answer is like, okay, this trend of like people leaving Canada for the U.S. because of pay, like primarily because of pay or maybe like the data that I looked into, there's a ton of retirees as well. Like wealthier Canadians that want to move to Florida or they want to move somewhere with like lower taxes where they can settle down and it's warmer.
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That's good. That actually happens on the other podcast. We'll be two for two on podcasts that make fun of my dad.
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The question that I wanted to answer was, okay, so you can see this trend in, uh, you can see this trend in immigration happening, but is it still happening in 2024 and 20 and now in 2025, which was not in this census data. Like it doesn't go up to that point yet. And, uh, I was really curious because, like, politically things are changing so significantly right now.
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And then on top of that, it's, like, not just the general politics of someone like Trump being elected in the first place, but the follow-up of the tariffs and the 51st state rhetoric.
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And my friend was talking about how even in Alberta, which is a place that's in Canada pretty conservative and has more people than, like, B.C. would that are, like, Trump sympathetic or maybe fans of Trump from, like, the Canadian side.
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He's never seen this level of anger among like all people, people there. My, my relatives, my friend is saying all of his relatives and his friends, everybody I talked to that lives in Canada is angry. They are like, this is fucked up that this is happening. Like fuck the U S this is kind of what brings us together right now.
Lemonade Stand
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And the idea of like, uh, he said it's like the highest sense of like national pride he's seen in a long time where it's like, you know, fuck the States. It's like, we're Canadians, uh, And that plays into people's idea or the appeal of moving into the U.S. too. He was like, compared to like a year ago, I think a lot of my- Poison us from the inside.
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They used to want to poison us from the inside, but now they don't even want to get in. So maybe it's working. Maybe it's working in that regard. We're keeping the Canadians out.
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It's just so, it's just- It's a big ditch. I thought it was really interesting to hear him say, like, if you asked me or my friends a year ago and offered me a similar salary in the U.S. for some type of job, I might have said yes. But now I would definitely say no.
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And the difference—but then the overarching, like, economic theme here is, like, he was like, but I would still say yes if, like, the pay was, like, way, way higher. If it's double or triple, right? People are still going to— Uh, and that was like what, what my cousin was wrestling with too, is that she's like, I don't like the political direction of the country.
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I don't know how long I want to stay here, but my career and my pay is so high here that I can't leave yet.
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Uh, so that's, that's kind of what's going on is like, I think my parents are different. They're very proud to be American and they feel like more obligated to defend to the rest of my family, like why they live in the States and like why they like chose to live here basically. But the rest of my family is like dogging them for it.
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They're very angry about the 51st state rhetoric, all of the tariffs and like how they're going to suffer economically.
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And I'm not eligible if we have a sequel. You're incredibly selfish. I've had that. I thought about that. Yeah.
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I don't think you should make jokes like that anymore. The friend was Aiden. I told you in common. I told you in common.
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I, uh, yeah, that, that's what I'm super curious about is like how that trend is going to hold up in the next like year or two is like what it, you know, there's this convergence of like sovereignty and national pride and being wanting to be like, I am Canadian, like fuck the U S converging with like the economic hardship basically, uh,
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Okay, this is what I was actually thinking about this. And I'm glad you brought this up because I didn't, I hadn't looked this up, but I was so curious if polling had picked up for Trudeau's party because I feel like this is a crazy circumstance where he's like, defending the sovereignty of the nation.
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And I think this was in a video you made about how he boxed one of the people from the other party. I thought you told me about this. And that was the first swing in his liberal party picking up was him choosing to box someone from one of the other political parties. And it... Uh, he won the, he won the fight and it was kind of like a, it was literally like a liberals aren't pussies campaign.
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Like it was, and, and, and his polling dramatically picked up and then he found himself in a position of prime minister like a little while after. And it was like, this is when he's been making the tweets and these things that I've seen. It's like, I wonder if the polling is following.
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Yeah. And right now, it seems like everyone's... Or like Rudy Giuliani post-9-11.
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Yeah, I think the ethos for people tuning into this first step is we all have a shared interest in these things, like talking about them with each other, and kind of wanted an opportunity to bring that together, because I think we lack maybe a creative outlet in the rest of our work to be able to talk about this type of stuff. Yes. And I think...
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That's a good point. I think about that. I got mad just thinking about it. I'm wild. I'm just thinking about it. I try to dig into my inner Canadian, and I'm like, I think if Yeah, like it annoys me. It feels stupid.
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It feels like intentionally antagonistic because even though I think there's no realistic path for that becoming the case, also from my perspective as a Canadian, psych, even in the world where it somehow happened, maybe this is a dumb thing to worry about, psychotic that it would all be one state to me. Psychotic. It's pissed about logistics, dude.
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And he's like, maybe. That's one state. Maybe if we respect it, it's like, all right, we're adding on nine provinces as states, three territories. You know, we respect the... And then Trump looks south and he's like, we're thinking of all South America, a 52nd state. That's what I'm saying. It would be insane if it was one state. It would be insane if it was one state.
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top priority issue with this, but that was honestly my first thought when I heard about it. I was like, it just wouldn't be one.
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Well, we don't have states. We have provinces. There are provinces and territories.
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I guess maybe the last thing that I was thinking about with the Canada thing is the 51st state. I can see why it frustrates people so much, and I've seen something similar with a few Danish friends about the Greenland stuff.
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They're like... It's gone from like... I think when the initial reaction that I got from talking to friends when these things first hit the news was like, what the fuck is this guy talking about? It's like, this is obviously so dumb. This is like borderline a joke. But then he keeps talking about it.
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And he keeps talking about it. And now people are angry. Like... And I find that it makes sense from their perspective. I mean, as an American, I'm also not happy with it. I don't think this is good.
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Yeah, I think that part is more divisive, though, from my understanding.
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I think there are a lot of people that are pushing for Greenland independence. From the bit I've read and asked about, it sounds like that is just more... Because there's aspects of Danish society or social systems that are so integrated and Greenland is so reliant on. So people are not... There's a big chunk of the population that's not ready to relinquish those things, basically.
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I think my... my general opinion on these things is that in this era of global free trade, national sovereignty, and things like that, there's probably some other analysis to do here in terms of the costs of that system and deconstructing the global economics and stuff like that. But in general, I think that This has led to unprecedented relative peace and things like that.
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And we're starting to pull back the walls of these institutions and rules around invading and co-opting other countries. I think that's bad. I think that's bad. Because it's such a regression of what global society is built around, which I think is in a lot of ways good. And I'm not saying that there's no scrutiny to be had of that sentence either, but it makes me fearful.
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It's like, okay, well, if nobody's following the rules anymore and we're going back to old times of invading and taking over and sacrificing this economic system that we've made, I don't know, the costs of that worry me.
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Yeah, which is something that the U.S. is like, they, you know, I feel like from a short-term perspective may even have come across as, like, generous. But it's like, but in the long-term, like... Ultimately, it was way better for the US too.
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Yeah, he is. Okay. And American. And American. Don't take that away from him.
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No, I wouldn't say, I wouldn't actually call it generous. This stuff has been set up to our benefit. No, no, yeah, I agree with that.
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Show me the documents where we meddled one time. No, I think that's the... Yeah, I think that is the pro... I kind of agree with Brandon. It's like the deconstruction of... This is why it's a hard topic to... It is hard, by the way. This is a hard... Okay, I'll just... I think I'll say it in a more straightforward way.
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This is a hard topic for me to argue about, not at like a personal level, but I feel like there is a conflict as someone who I think I lean like pretty left on like most, like most issues in general. And I think there's like a, maybe a, I don't know if I would call my, I definitely wouldn't call myself a socialist like outright, but I think there's a socialist viewpoint here.
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where that is also advocating for, like, deconstruction of this global order to, not for American fiscal reasons, but to, like, dismantle the, like, systems of oppression that, like, they would identify exist across the world among this current system. Not that oppression and, like, people being exploited didn't exist before World War II.
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um it didn't and that that that level of like american like empire and like control is uh the it it's interesting i don't know it's it's super interesting because it's like yes that has such a demonstrable positive effect if you believe in i i don't know like getting getting rid of all these things has like such a
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identifiable harm on the U.S., but there's two... There's different perspectives on, like, why that all needs to be deconstructed and come down. Oh, totally. And I think because there's all these different layers of, like, what people see as the most important outcomes, who are the people that need help the most, what would... What actions would help those people, the...
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solution is... I feel like I'm a very solution-orientated person, and this problem is so layered. It's like, of course I'm not going to solve it. I'm running the lemonade stand. I don't have the answer, because I like a lot of what our globalized, safe economy and society gives me. I like a lot of those things, and I... also selfishly benefit from a lot of the power and control that the U.S.
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has, especially as somebody who immigrated here and got to make a podcast. You crossed the ditch. I crossed the ditch. But at the same time, I feel like I'm wary of something like can the debt grow forever, right? If you listen to that one economist who wrote the deficit myth, apparently it can. Apparently it can. Definitely Kelton has interesting ideas.
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But, or from other perspectives, like maybe you have a strong, like moral stance, like built in what you'd call like socialist values and you want to see the deconstruction of the global order for those reasons. Like, I don't know, I don't know what path is correct.
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spy agencies have picked winners in various countries over the past hundred years like that's fucked up like then we just get to decide the thing about it is like i can't think of a single time at back right that's true that's true the thing about it it's like it's just it always worked out so smoothly so i just really don't see deeply immoral the idea that we do that the cia simply batted a thousand can i say it it's a
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They were kind of the Shohei Ohtani of government agencies.
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Every coup. Because if it blew back, if it had blown back out of the country. If it had blown back, I'd be critical.
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Yeah. I think that's what I'm saying is like, there's so many, I think there, this is why these things are like hard to come, come to any like solution or determination of, I feel like is like, there's so many little aspects of like how your lives are impacted by these decisions, especially over the longterm.
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And it's hard to make confident decisions of like, this thing should be this way because everything, I think for the average person, including me, it's hard to identify the costs, like the pros and cons of what those decisions will be.
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Yeah, so I like that one better because it doesn't revolve around criticism of me.
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28 million people to send to the farms.
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I'm going to talk about my dad, just him and what he's been up to. We'll get a live call in. We're going to get Corwin on the live stream. The main reason that I bring up my dad at all is I actually do want to talk about Canadian immigration to the United States and also the tariffs that are currently affecting the relationship between the US and Canada specifically. Do you want to open with that?
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That's beautiful. And then they outsourced your job to Taiwan. That's why you became a streamer. That's the story, folks.
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Based on what I've seen in the east part of L.A. County, if he can speak fluent Chinese, he can make a business out of it. Yeah.
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Dude, there's weirdly a large amount of travel agencies in the east part of LA County, but they're in Chinese. They're only in Chinese.
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What's the formula for adding exposure to GDP?
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Okay, well, I think to just set the backdrop, because I think a lot of people know that there are tariffs that have been put in place or had been threatened for a while as Trump was approaching getting into his presidency, right?
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You ever heard about the taxi tragedy in New York? Do you know how you need to buy a yellow taxi medallion? Yeah. And the prices of those inflated super, super high because there's a limited amount of them to go out. And then a bunch of people bought at peak market, basically. People that are putting their life savings on the line, taking out loans to buy this yellow taxi medallion in New York.
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And then Uber picks up and the price of them plummets. But all those people are locked into the loan that they took out to buy the medallion. Yeah, just a crazy, crazy.
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We need a limit. And who will hand out the medallions?
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which is tomorrow so we're filming this we're filming this on March 5th a Wednesday and it should be coming out on the Thursday right after this and already in the past three days there's been like daily updates and changes
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I'm kind of a big fan of how you just have a 30% success ratio on loading the clip. I open a Twitch clip and it loads sometimes and doesn't.
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So leading up to this point, there was the threats of tariffs, like incoming, Trump gets into office, passes a 20, or through executive order, imposes 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico. And then, almost immediately... Paused these tariffs in exchange for the fentanyl czar in Canada and basically more control and effort of like the borders from like the Canadian and the Mexican side.
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Yeah, I think in the same vein, we did a test recording before this episode last week, and we talked a bit about, I think that feeling or that anti-AI sentiment maybe among our audiences collectively or maybe young people in general being so negative, I think has valid points at its base.
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I think also what hurts is a lot of people at the forefront of like the face of people who are like fans of this stuff is often like the people who, uh, like I brought up the tweet that was that guy who was really excited about fully AI movies. And we'll be watching fully. It's like, that's not really why I consume art. It's defeating the purpose. Finally, we're offloading art.
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for so long there's a really good there's a really good Stavros clip the comedian of him being interviewed I think by like Theo Vaughn and he's talking about like isn't this fucked like it's like we're like this like the AI is like taking all the art and like we're working in the Amazon warehouses this doesn't make any sense this isn't what we wanted
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Um, and I think when these things get talked about, uh, cause like the positive outlooks for me, like when I read through, for example, you sent an article from a while back or a sub stack of, uh, the very, uh, very, very good piece of that, all the potential benefits of AI. And the first section was all about health and the way it could help, uh,
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help diagnose and, uh, deal with like modern health issues. And I was like, that is exciting. That is awesome. And I think that's the, like, when you talk about these things, uh, being like sensitive to those concerns or like, maybe not, I don't even think sensitive is the right word is like being ready to like answer those concerns with like good positive answers. I don't know.
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Those things are important because I feel like the sentiment is so overwhelmingly negative. Yeah.
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Yeah, that's what I wrote, I actually wrote this down, is like, I think that people get really caught up in the short-term cost of situations like this, because it's very visceral, it's very, it's happening in front of you. It's hard not to if it's your job or it's your family. Exactly, and I'm not saying that people, I can't look, it's like, I'm fucking, I'm a podcaster.
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And I can't look at the guy, the guy who worked at the, I think I was listening to a story on the daily about manufacturing in America. And this guy who had worked at a lock company, like a lock manufacturing company. And after decades of working there, he loved his job. He lost it because they off, uh, they offloaded all the manufacturing, like, or outsourced it to another country.
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And he lost his job. And it was a huge part of his identity that was lost. He lost his income. And Aiden was standing outside of the factory and said, well, And I think when talking about these things, something that I think about a lot is like overall in order for society, like a small scale example of this is in business.
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That's what he's asking for at least.
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I remember hearing an anecdote about how a lot of like tech, early tech companies and tech would be worried about their products cannibalizing each other. And Steve jobs, like notably said when I think the iPhone came out that he had no, like he had no fear of this. Like in order to progress the products in the company forward, you cannot be afraid of like cannibalization basically.
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And then he paused for 30 days. And I think something that I didn't quite understand is like when this happened, I thought like he, at least from the Trump administration's perspective, had like met goals that they had in place. And then during that 30 day time period, he said they wanted to see whether or not a final economic deal with Canada can be structured. That's what Trump said.
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And I think at like a society level, the idea that like you can't replace old jobs, like, Oh, what? Well, you've got to keep the horses and buggies. Okay.
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Yeah, and that's why there's a CGP Grey video from like a decade ago about this. Not necessarily about AI, but about automation in general, and like why this leap in technology is different from previous times, ultimately.
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And I think if that is the case, or that's something that we worry about, I think something I think a lot about is like, well, if it's going to reach that point, and you might disagree with that, is how you change society and legislation and things around society.
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jobs to accommodate for that because at a certain stage it's like the the way day-to-day life works and like jobs work if that's going to be the case if the human is going to be like lapped and replaced for what for labor then the the structure of society also needs to start changing
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So I think I'm just curious, I'm curious what your response is to him and like also what you, what you think about that.
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My, I mean, my first, I think I, I definitely agree with like parts of what you're saying. My first response to that, your original, uh, original idea is that like the demand doesn't necessarily exist for more to exist. Right.
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So at some point it's like, well, if I can't, if demand does not match this, like shared increase in output that my company has and all the other companies in my industry are also choosing to make moves, uh, that are similar and increase their like productivity, uh, well, eventually I do have to let people go.
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And he doesn't flake that much. Interesting that he said that.
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I guess maybe, maybe the direction, the direction that you're thinking in is, is, I could still be small-scale, John. You know what I'm saying? In the past, changes in technology or tools or automation free up the time of the human that couldn't do that job before so they could move on and do something else.
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So there was a goal apparently during this time period that out of the initial concessions that he thought he got from Canada and Mexico or that they did get from Canada and Mexico, which I'll talk about in one sec, that a further deal needed to be made, which I didn't quite understand in the sense that I don't know what that ideal trade agreement was.
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But in this case, if the AI goes far enough or the AI is good enough, whatever task or job that the human could move on to next... The AI would just also be able to do. And that is maybe what's different is the chain you get stuck in, it's like there's no new ship to jump to anymore because the AI can also always do that thing. And obviously there will always be exceptions
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I truly believe there will always be exceptions to the rule in that we have, I think there's an underlying desire to connect with people. There's still that, but that's what I'm worried about as well. There's this point you get stuck at.
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That part, I mean, that part I agree with, that those are the parts that we want to emphasize and not let go of. I think the issue that I can think of is like a lot of new technology, policy and the way society works does not catch up very quickly with the realities or the pace of technology. So what I get worried about, in the US, something that I can think of,
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looks like for him, especially because in the previous administration, Trump had renegotiated aspects of NAFTA, like a large portion of NAFTA as it currently, or sorry, as it formerly was, I guess, was from his decisions in the previous term, as far as I understand.
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From our new show, Lemonade Stand, a new podcast where the three of us talk about business, talk about tech, talk about politics. And for those who don't know, I'm Aiden. What do you do? I also, you know, I have a different... I've gotten like six phone calls as soon as we started recording. Don't worry, this is all part of the culture of business. Fake culture of business.
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is the cost of the person who loses their job to AI or automation or a factory being moved abroad or anything like that situation is the cost of losing your job in that scenario or the cost of losing your industry on the whole is very dire. Like you could lose your home, you could lose your ability to support your family. The social systems in place to support that person are not very good.
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And I think the pace at which the technology is accelerating right now does not leave a very good safety net for the people that are caught in the crossfire.
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yeah and we don't have that right now and if and if this happens without any of that other support system coming in it will be very chaos it will be very yeah and a lot of the and i think the incentive structure that is like building ai right now and like building the technology is sort of this uh say capitalist system like even in even in china right like they're they're using private companies to develop in like
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Which I think is a lot of like merit to that approach, right? Giving private companies the ability to explore and innovate. And that's like very powerful. I don't think those companies necessarily share the incentive structure that saves the people that are like the externality, basically.
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And that's what I get worried about, basically. The net benefit in society, in the most idealistic version of what you're talking about, could be really, really good. But the guy who lost his job to AI along the way, he might have lost his job, gotten a divorce, gotten addicted to fentanyl. And the government has not caught up. I mean, I'm sorry. I'm making it really dramatic.
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I'm making it dramatic. But this is true, right? People who have lost their manufacturing jobs in, like, middle America and their life crumbles because, like, that was their identity. They can't get work. People are attached to, like, the places they grow up, and they turn to things like drugs and, like, drug addiction. No, you're absolutely right.
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There's a huge spike in, like, I don't know, like... drug addiction, suicide, like all those things, right? These things like compile and affect each other. And that externality of the people affected by this race to create technology is what I worry about. And I don't wanna leave the cure for Alzheimer's at the door that AI could bring, for example, I don't want to leave that behind either.
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Prevented by making changes like this. I want there to be a conscious recognition of the costs and positives of both things and do our best to manage them.
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Anyway, Canada puts in place this, quote, fentanyl czar, which I had seen people saying that this was part of a plan that Canada already had in place, or people were saying that Canada was only taking actions that it was intent on doing already. which might be the case. My understanding is that this pushed it forward a bit, and they did pick a fentanyl czar.
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And I hope so. A smaller version of this that I was thinking of, I watched this video breaking down France's relative economic position in Europe right now. And they have very high productivity, but also low hours worked per week. So their overall economic output seems lower or comparable to a lot of Europe.
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But when you look into the problem, it's actually, oh, the French people, because of the rules and the laws they have set up, they actually just work less and they have more time in life for other things. And their society, their populace of workers is very productive and uses that time very effectively. That's an example of what I would want to push towards, right? Right.
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And that there was three years of Andrew Yang campaigning. That was his platform, right? I don't disagree with that.
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I have a high sense of guilt about canceling to
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And then similar from Mexico, I think Mexico actually did more. Something that I didn't know is part of this, Mexico sent 29 drug lords into U.S. custody from Mexican custody in an effort to extradite people in an effort to appease the tariffs being frozen.
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I mean, I think I have actually dealt with this. And this was a big thing coming out of COVID that I thought about personally. Because before COVID, I think I was a person that had abundant social energy. I got a lot of joy and energy from going to social events and hanging out with other people and talking to other people.
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And I felt like after COVID, I actually am a different person in that regard. I think I developed a sense of... Uh, I don't know if I would use the word anxiety or dread about like going to social events that I had planned, even though whenever I go, whenever I get there, it's always good. Like I've never regretted going to anything that I've like committed to.
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Uh, and I really, I spent a lot of time thinking about it because I felt like a different person. I felt like I lost part of me coming out of that. And I want it. I was like, is this part of getting older or is this because I just effectively spent a year and a half at home? Uh, and I, that was a really tough question that I think I really, I still haven't answered like fully.
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Uh, I think the, the guilt or like where the desire to like show up comes from or like why I hate canceling is because, uh, I know it's annoying for the other person.
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You know, what's funny is like, I don't mind. I don't mind that at all. Yeah. But I find that's, that's like pretty rare. It's like, I know the other person, if I cancel is like probably going to give me shit or like, well, they'll be sad.
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Or I think something that I think about a lot is I know that if I cancel on the same like group or person, like a few times in a row, you'll stop getting invited to things. And I don't want to stop being invited. Right. So being a friend and participating like that is saying yes and showing up even when you have that feeling of like not wanting to go.
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And then, like I said, whenever you actually get there, it's great. There's been so few, maybe never. I agree with this. When, once you get through the discomfort of like the plan and going that, uh, and I have a bunch of, I have a bunch of other thoughts related to this topic too, but that's the, the main thing is like, I, I,
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I think about how it would make the other person feel, and I also think about the social consequences of what saying no often means. And both of those things are just hurt in the long run, right? They hurt your relationships with people.
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I thought that was a really good, they put it in a really nice ways that we don't, that culture doesn't place your time spent with friends or time spent as leisure as like a prior or as a priority or as an integral part of your life. But it is like that. That is a meaningful part of part of your life.
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It also talks about that, right? The literal meaning of life coming from that.
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That's my big issue. That's been the latest, that is the latest, like, update to this story, right?
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Dude, I think it's going to be so... I think it already is so bad. Like it has such resounding negative social effects is like outlined through something like this, but just anecdotally, like I think, and I think about like what a transformative and like important part of my life, like those years were like end of high school beginning and like through college.
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And even just like learning, like I think I wouldn't have learned very much if I wasn't in classrooms. And then also going out to like parties and meeting people and like making friends and doing stupid shit. Like that is all, I don't know. That's how I learned things about myself. It's how I made mistakes that drastically changed my value system and how I behave.
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It's such an integral part of life that is just sacrificed.
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His only issue. You've been really pro-Trump. My MAGA hat is coming on soon. Especially in private. Especially in private. When you're away from your platform. We'll get to you later. Okay. But I think that is the frustration from what I can see, right? Because this 30-day freeze runs out, and then the tariffs are just back in place. And Canada and Mexico are like, we did what you wanted.
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I don't know if you guys feel this too is like I thought a lot about like bringing this up because I feel a little like I'm going into old man mode complaining about X generation but I think it's not actually the generation below me I think it's a lot of the people like around my age
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as well, like, a little older than me, younger, and then definitely the younger generation, too, is, like, talking to people in, like, public spaces feels like pulling teeth. And, like, the level of, like, conversational ability of somebody, like, age 35 and below is so poor. And it's kind of why...
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genuinely it's kind of why I think I've always liked talking to, uh, adults and older people like adults when I was a kid. And, but older people in general is because if you go up to any per, I feel like if you go up to any person above the age of 40, they can have a conversation with you. And I think this is also like a cultural... This feels too general, but you've done it more than anyone.
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No, I think this is also a cultural thing in that I wonder how COVID and things like this and people's anecdotal experiences play into this. But I found like going to... Compared to the U.S., And also compared to Canada, going to the UK and Australia, the average young person there that you meet is also better at having a conversation with you.
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They feel more socially comfortable just interacting with strangers, which is a little...
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odd to me like I wonder what it is about like the way people are growing up and like going through their lives now that makes like baseline socializing so difficult it's got to do with practice because everything is like if they're not getting practice and they get more anxiety and it's a snowball yeah and it stacks and like COVID I feel like COVID like makes something like that so much worse and it makes like the like making plans and like showing up to them makes it feel like such an ordeal in a way that it wouldn't be
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The one more thing I was thinking about with this was the... I feel like a big thing that... maybe change more post COVID too is like, and, and something that, that maybe is really pervasive in like American, like work culture is I feel like the fluidity of socializing matters a lot. Like people used to move less. People used to like, just hang out more by default.
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Like they, I think they talk about it in the article, like the percentage of Americans that report they have a best friend is like, Oh yeah.
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I think people lack a, I think the making plans and like hanging out with people is increasingly a task you have to do versus how it used to be. That's, that's how I feel is like you, I think a lot of people like grew up or were in community spaces where hanging out happens like very naturally. You're not necessarily making a plan.
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Right. And then you just do something together. Right. But now making plans turns it into like a task, which I think when like people are so busy with things like work, it's not like an enjoy. You don't enjoy making the plans, so to speak, and you don't enjoy the build up to how you get there and like figuring out the logistics and all of those things. You enjoy actually hanging out.
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Why are they back? And then the tariffs, apparently there's an exception. There's a 10% instead of 25% tariff on energy, specifically Canadian energy exports. Yeah. And they exempt the cars too, right? And then today, that was the update today, is that the auto exports or the auto industry gets like a carve out now. And so that's the thing. It changes every morning.
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So when like we as people have so many barriers between us to hanging out by default, and then you add the anxiety and the isolation on top of that.
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They couldn't escape. They couldn't escape, and now they buy my mugs. Ah, they buy my mugs? Now they buy my mugs. And I can make anything. Oh, gosh, I made a new AI character.
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No, I think that's a huge part of it.
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I just don't think the Sacklers should have to pay that much. No, I think you're right.
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I would like if like for the people listening, I would love people's opinions about like how they've dealt with this and like how they, they feel about this. Cause it's something that is so not just like the cancellations themselves, but this like general topics, like how did COVID like affect you socially? How, how, How do you feel about socializing now?
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Something I think about a lot is it wasn't just, I tried to dive back in. I was excited to go to big events and socialize and be out again once you could. And I remember feeling so fatigued in a way that I wasn't before. It was harder. Not just, and like I said, I enjoyed being there, but being there was harder than it was before. And that was a strange feeling to me.
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Even that though is like- It's another layer of friction. It's a layer of friction. It's another work item that you need to figure out instead of just hanging out. You know what? The office, working at the office is really nice because conveniently- Working. I work at a company. I work at a company with friends.
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The Canadians and the Mexicans seem very frustrated that the goalposts continue to be shifted, much like me in an argument. Yeah. That's kind of the introduction to this topic. That's what's going on with the tariffs. I think it seems crazy inconsistent. I don't fully understand what the goals are.
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And the people who are around and come to do stuff at the office, it's like we just hang out and talk and socialize.
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And play Mario Kart Wii with my headphones on and don't talk to anybody.
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I'll show you my ladder page. I'll show you my ELO. I'm on a hot streak right now. But having those spaces is so important. Like having spaces where you can just be around people to begin with. So the layers of friction don't have to happen between. And I think...
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like I'd be curious too, if, if people back this theory up at all, but I feel like a lot of other countries I've been to, even in the modern day of technology, even post COVID, like culturally different places don't seem to deal with this problem as much. And I'm sure things like cost and like, like layer into that. Like, but I don't know. I'm curious about people's.
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Maybe that's a good time to bring that up too. I think like everything we talk about, I think a big thing we had talked about on the show is like, I think all three of us like have, like have pretty similar like ideals and values and like our, our good faith and the way we like bring stuff up and like argue about things. And if you guys have thoughts, I like when people engage in that same way.
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If you have new information or something relevant to what we talked about and you think it would be good for us to know or your opinion on something, I want to read that. I think a cool thing about this show is that as we dive into stuff, there will definitely be things we miss or get wrong sometimes.
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And if you bring stuff up in the comments, or I think we've talked about more structured ways to do that in the future, it'd be nice to re-approach topics or things we talk about here with new information of mine. I don't want to pretend like I'm... As I try to navigate the geopolitics of global trade, pretend like I have it locked down.
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I spent two hours on Monday making a podcast episode about cream pies. I know where I stand.
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Okay, it's not all about cream pies, but it was like a good 15 minutes. And it's just, we didn't need that.
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Yeah, so a brief backstory on me. I am a Canadian immigrant to the U.S. I was born in Canada. I grew up in Canada when I was young. I like permanently, I moved around a bunch when I was really young to the U.K., back to Canada, to the U.S., back to Canada. Permanently moved to the U.S. in sixth grade. And I lived in on a border town in northern Washington.
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I literally lived on the Canadian border. Growing up, one of my cross-country practices was they would take us to the border, drop us off at the border crossing, and then we had to run back to high school. That was a little experience.
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Dude, okay. Just a Canadian child running from the border into America. You know what's funny? When people talk about border security and things like that right now, I always joke about what the Canadian border is actually like growing up because, I'm not kidding, the border in Canada, the border between Canada and the US, where I grew up, it's a ditch about the width of this table.
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For those not familiar, I'm also a podcaster where I talk about very similar things to this show. Definitely tune in to that one if you like business.
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I would be running back to high school on this side and then five feet away- We're gonna make Canada pay for it.
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That's a fun fact. They fall and stumble. Poor balance. You're literally a hop away from jumping into Canada. It's very easy. If you wanted to hop the border, I guess.
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That's kind of the circumstance that I grew up in. Also, there's a lot of basic economic ties in that area. A really common thing is if you went to the Costco in our area on Sundays, 80% of the cars in the Costco parking lot would be British Columbia license plates.
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People that live in Canada come down to buy goods.
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You get your hot dog, your fentanyl. And then who knows? You go in for the fentanyl. You come out with a TV.
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Pitching the cartels, I mean, like, I'm telling you, man, if you kill a few less people, you put some TVs up front, and you give them cheese samples, they'll buy so much more fentanyl. Yeah. You give them fentanyl samples, they'll buy so much more fentanyl.
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Just people like passed out on the fucking concrete at Costco. It's like an aisle full of people.
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I think that, but yeah, so I, my family's Canadian. Pretty much all of my family lives in Canada, except for, uh, except for my parents and like my brothers.
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Uh, and, uh, the, I, I decided to like call a few people. Okay.
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So just to get like a general vibe on what's going on, because I think you've talked about this quite a bit. And this is like, I think a somewhat well understood topic is like Canada's kind of also in a bit of an economic crisis in general right now. Yeah, it's not.
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Like the dollar. Like I remember growing up, there was a period of time my dad got paid in Canadian dollars because he worked out of Canada, even though we lived in the U.S. So there was a time when the Canadian dollar was worth more than the U.S. dollar growing up.
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For like a year. And then basically on par for a long time. But now it's like, I think it's like 70 cents to the dollar.
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And I think the, like the real estate crisis there is pretty out of control. Like how housing is in the biggest cities in Canada is even more relatively unaffordable than it is in like the biggest us cities.
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Uh, and there's, there's all these like economic issues in Canada that from loosely talking to my friends prior to this, that they're grappling with, like they're worried about their prospects of a future. And, uh, for, uh, and especially if they like went to college and like have a specialized profession, they're supposed to go into, uh, Working in Canada kind of sucks.
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Cause if you could get a job in the U S you could get paid way more.
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I didn't know this until really recently.
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Canada is trying to deal with this too, apparently. So I read this article that I pulled up and this was focusing on Canadian to U.S. immigration in 2022. And from the previous year, it had more than doubled the amount of Canadians leaving Canada to go to the U.S. in that year. And it seems to be an interesting like split among like age groups and like why people are going.